When are we helpful, when are we inspired by the spirit, and when are we just bossy?

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Yeraza_Bats

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I wasnt entirely sure where to put this thread, so I hope I dont cause any problems posting it here.

Anywho, this is actually a real concern of mine. Like, talking with other Christians. We often have the reputation of being bossy and fighting amongst ourselves alot, and I actually do believe thats greatly exaggerated, but of course there are times when we do have actual conversations that can get sorta tense. And there are times when we really do feel concerned about what someone is spreading, for example, the idea of that anyone other than Christ should be held as divine and prayed to. Any Christian would feel the need to point out that this is dangerous. And then there are times we feel that we are inspired by the holy spirit, and want to share what we are being guided to. But how often do we go from being helpful, or talking in a constructive fashion, to just being pushy, and putting others below ourselves? Where is the line here? I mean, there are things that are said that are often not biblical, and things that cause us real concern when we see people spreading the idea around. And we often point that out, attempting to keep to the bible when we do it. But when should we concern ourselves with the idea that we are going to far, or maybe even going about refuting something the wrong way? Do we become "preachy", like we are know it all, above others with our wisdom, and unwilling to listen to someone else who comes with the word?
I think there are times we can all fall into this, I often fall into an "authoritative" way of thinking when the subject reflects my own personal experience, especially when it falls on scripture. There are a few things I take a stance on, such as fallen angels walking among us, and the struggle of homosexuality being rooted in desire and the fact that you do have the capability to say no to any temptation. But I also like to believe that I am always willing to listen and learn, too. Especially from my elders. Though I sometimes see something I feel is not right and feel the urge to talk about it, I like to believe that I learn too, and try to ask questions to learn better, and keep in mind that many times the person may not even be against you, they are just communicating to you in a way you didnt understand.

Anywho, if that was too long for you, do you ever worry about how you are communicating with fellow believers, and where do you draw the line between being helpful and inspired to holding yourself as all-wise and acting "preachy"? And how do we know when we do right and when we do not?

(hopefully that was clear and easy to understand :p)
 
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I have found that the chief complaint about Christians (from unbelievers) is that they are arrogant and condescending.
 
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I once was apart of a "bible study" with two other Christian friends. But what I found was, it was hard to get a word in edge wise. Kind of two's company, three's a crowd. Then eventually what would happen, the normal flow of their conversation would be stopped to let me speak, and it felt kind of dumb on my part, it was embarrassing and exacerbating, like they were humoring me. And I felt like, hey I have many other ways to discuss the bible, to be uplifted by the bible, this really isn't for me. Does that exactly point to your points about aggressiveness? Maybe not, but its just a personal experience I recently went through.

I think we must always humble ourselves. Example, say, if someone is looking for a Church to attend. This pastor's style might not be right for you, this location might be too far, is it the classic hymns or modern Christian music, etc etc. Just because someone chooses one Church over another doesn't mean the one not chosen isn't perfectly ok for another person. So, even though we ALL want to spread the good news, knowing that, wait, the way we want to share testimony with a non-believer might not be best to reach this person, or furthermore, we might not be the person to speak to that person, it has to come from somewhere else.

Proverbs 3:5-6
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Trust in the Lord with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.

A friend of mine is always quoting that verse to me and its a great one. "In ALL your ways acknowledge Him"... that's a big standard, but its the best one around. Just remember, Jesus gathered his disciples after being baptized by John and those guys weren't anyone special. So, when I feel silly or dumb or whatever about my ability as a Christian, I just remember those guys. lol
 

Yeraza_Bats

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Haha, I like what you say about feeling "silly and dumb" :p Haha I didnt really consider that :p I have felt that, too.

I do believe that I push for Gods wisdom over my own understanding when I talk with other followers about God. And I guess thats the most important step, trying to follow His will and not your own.

Should I worry less about how people are perceiving what Im bringing to the topic? Or am I right to be concerned with how I go about it, and what they think? Meaning of course with other believers, and not unbelievers.
 
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Blessed are the meek ...., you must be humble and loving towards all you communicate with because our Lord has commanded us to do so.

Christ be with you always.
 
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Haha, I like what you say about feeling "silly and dumb" :p Haha I didnt really consider that :p I have felt that, too.

I do believe that I push for Gods wisdom over my own understanding when I talk with other followers about God. And I guess thats the most important step, trying to follow His will and not your own.

Should I worry less about how people are perceiving what Im bringing to the topic? Or am I right to be concerned with how I go about it, and what they think? Meaning of course with other believers, and not unbelievers.
We should find encouragement with fellow believers. We should not be ashamed of the gospel. Both are things Paul says right at the beginning of Romans which is fresh in my mind because of a afternoon bible study class I was at today. :)

Faith and doubt come hand in hand in my opinion. When I talk about "doubt" I'm not even talking about well, was Jesus actually Son of God? I'm talking about self-doubt in my own "ability." I remember a bible teacher saying once, God isn't interested in your ability, He's interested in your availability. That's kind of a clever word play that I never forgot.

I suffer from a lot of worrying how people perceive me, too. Its a lesson I am still going through, how I am perceived doesn't really matter. Jesus is the only person who has a claim on my life, but the hitch is we live in world were the devil uses every trick up his sleeve to discourage Christians and maintain and expand non-belief and ungodliness.

What non-beleivers think of you for your belief is pointless.

Conflicts between believers is a little more tricky. Christians do have a nasty habit of putting Jesus in a box, so for example, I can just pull out Jesus and hey, here is "What would Jesus Do".... according to Jesus (but really according to BibleReader). LOL
 

MarcR

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Haha, I like what you say about feeling "silly and dumb" :p Haha I didnt really consider that :p I have felt that, too.

I do believe that I push for Gods wisdom over my own understanding when I talk with other followers about God. And I guess thats the most important step, trying to follow His will and not your own.

Should I worry less about how people are perceiving what Im bringing to the topic? Or am I right to be concerned with how I go about it, and what they think? Meaning of course with other believers, and not unbelievers.
When Jesus said: Mt 7:6
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
KJV

He did not consider any particular person to be a dog or a swine. His intent is in effect 'Don't preach to the unreceptive'.

People are neither dogs nor swine; but an unreceptive attitude is a dog or a swine attitude.

IMO the operative task of discernment is to honestly assess how your wisdom is being received. When your audience stops listening; it is time to stop talking!
 

JaumeJ

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It merits also to include the question, When are we being patient and longsuffering?
 

Ella85

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I look at it this way.
If you go to try a new outfit on, and the person that is serving you shoves the dress in your face and says "TRY THIS ON"
how are you going to feel?
Almost like they are being pushy right?
Then when they proceed to tell you that the outfit looks good but you aren't too sure then they tell you over and over and over that the outfit is good for you....and that it is the best style for you, what are you going to think??
How the heck would they know what is good for me right?

When we are explaining to someone about the word of God, we should be careful how to approach them.
We should be doing it with love and care.
People are very sensitive because you are talking about THEIR LIVES.
On top of that you will then make them question so much that they may end up having more doubt in their minds than before you started talking to them.
The best way that I can say works for me, is to make sure that you are never directly preaching to someone, but rather asking them questions and if they want to hear the answers then proceed to tell them.
No one wants to hear something they don't want to hear.
So by asking them the question first they may just willingly give you an answer that then you can respond to without feeling like you are forcing it on them.
Just a suggestion :)
 
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I try to make my posts (and conversation) short. Some people don't like that, but most seem to.

It is always at the forefront of my mind that Jesus ONLY spoke about 6,600 recorded words in His entire three year ministry. That's 500 words less than the average man speaks in ONE day.
 

JaumeJ

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If you do not mind my saying, you sound like Mark Twain.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Willie-T again.
 

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If you do not mind my saying, you sound like Mark Twain.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Willie-T again.
I got some rep once. I must be spread thin.
 
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I wasnt entirely sure where to put this thread, so I hope I dont cause any problems posting it here.

Anywho, this is actually a real concern of mine. Like, talking with other Christians. We often have the reputation of being bossy and fighting amongst ourselves alot, and I actually do believe thats greatly exaggerated, but of course there are times when we do have actual conversations that can get sorta tense. And there are times when we really do feel concerned about what someone is spreading, for example, the idea of that anyone other than Christ should be held as divine and prayed to. Any Christian would feel the need to point out that this is dangerous. And then there are times we feel that we are inspired by the holy spirit, and want to share what we are being guided to. But how often do we go from being helpful, or talking in a constructive fashion, to just being pushy, and putting others below ourselves? Where is the line here? I mean, there are things that are said that are often not biblical, and things that cause us real concern when we see people spreading the idea around. And we often point that out, attempting to keep to the bible when we do it. But when should we concern ourselves with the idea that we are going to far, or maybe even going about refuting something the wrong way? Do we become "preachy", like we are know it all, above others with our wisdom, and unwilling to listen to someone else who comes with the word?
I think there are times we can all fall into this, I often fall into an "authoritative" way of thinking when the subject reflects my own personal experience, especially when it falls on scripture. There are a few things I take a stance on, such as fallen angels walking among us, and the struggle of homosexuality being rooted in desire and the fact that you do have the capability to say no to any temptation. But I also like to believe that I am always willing to listen and learn, too. Especially from my elders. Though I sometimes see something I feel is not right and feel the urge to talk about it, I like to believe that I learn too, and try to ask questions to learn better, and keep in mind that many times the person may not even be against you, they are just communicating to you in a way you didnt understand.

Anywho, if that was too long for you, do you ever worry about how you are communicating with fellow believers, and where do you draw the line between being helpful and inspired to holding yourself as all-wise and acting "preachy"? And how do we know when we do right and when we do not?

(hopefully that was clear and easy to understand :p)[/QUOTE
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Yeraza_Bats,

a great thread, much Spiritual food for all of us to take in.

just knowing the scripture that says, 'out of the mouth proceeds the abundance of the heart'..
knowing this always reminds my husband and myself to examine our own hearts and motives -
before, during, and after, because our first priority should always be, to be in our Father's Will
and to always speak the Truth in Love.'

also, we must remember that the 'tongue' is the most difficult 'member' to master,
if anyone can achieve this, then they become a Christ-Like-Person -
this is but another 'life-long' Spiritual challenge and one that is indisputable proof
of Godly growth and character.

we are surely responsible for our own tongues - I and my husband's pleading prayer/scripture
is, 'Let the words of my mouth and the meditations of my heart be acceptable in Thy sight,
Oh Lord, my Strength and my Redeemer.

when we started on our brand new journey after our conversion many years ago,
this was just 'one' aspect of the many Spiritual skills the Holy Spirit began teaching us -
we gladly and with so much appreciation to this day, wait on the Holy Spirit to continually
teach us and help us to always remember that we are all a work-in-progress,
and that Jesus Christ is the Author and Finisher of our Faith.'
 

breno785au

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I have found that the chief complaint about Christians (from unbelievers) is that they are arrogant and condescending.
Yes, I would say for some that is true (including myself) but sometimes confidence (one who knows his position in Christ) can be misinterpreted by those in the faith and outside as arrogance. I think there can be a fine line between the two.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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I try to make my posts (and conversation) short. Some people don't like that, but most seem to.

It is always at the forefront of my mind that Jesus ONLY spoke about 6,600 recorded words in His entire three year ministry. That's 500 words less than the average man speaks in ONE day.

This is something I struggle with a bunch :p Well mostly online, irl I dont have the ability to simply talk over people like others do :p But when I type online I cant make a point simple and easy to get, I always have to write out many words in order to feel like Im being clear :p I need to learn the art of keeping it simple :p



I was talking irl with a 7th Day Adventist the other day at work, and we were talking about some of the things he believed. And he said some things that I did not agree with, and he stated them like they were a fact and I needed to learn it. I got sorta grumpy, but instead of correcting him I asked him "where in the bible do you get this?" And he never really gave me an answer, he just kinda talked about how people argue over the bible and talked about his own personal opinions. I never really got to talk much about what I have learned from Gods word. Partially because Im not totally good at making my point through real life conversation, and also because hes one of those people who will talk over you :p But I dont feel like I really did any good by talking with him besides asking him to provide where he gets his ideas.

He also talked about an idea he had about Genesis being written by other people, and he talked about how different chapters changed from referring to God as "God" and "the Lord, thy God", saying that this was a clear sign that different people wrote it. I brought up how God is called many different things in the bible, God, Lord, Father, The Almighty, and I Am, but he stood by his point that this was somehow special. I pretty much shrugged off his point here entirely :p Though I like to listen and learn, there are times where I feel like people are focusing on meaningless things entirely :p