The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

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DesiredHaven

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This witness is true.

Who are these guys?
 
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DesiredHaven

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  1. a Cretan, an inhabitant of the island of Crete


    1. Crete = "fleshy"
      1. the largest and most fertile island of the Mediterranean archipelago or Aegean Sea, now the modern Candia

        Thats all I have
 
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Tintin

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I don't understand. Where did you get this 'evidence'?
 
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DesiredHaven

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Here, you might want to go back and read, these guys here

Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are
alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Cretians here

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Crete

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This is all I have on them
 
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Tintin

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Ah, now you've provided context. Cool. Thank you. I'll look into it.
 

JonahLynx

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It's probably talking about the people of Crete during that time period.
 
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DesiredHaven

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Ah, now you've provided context. Cool. Thank you. I'll look into it.
Sorry bout that, and all you got to do (at least over at Blueletter)
is just toss the word "Cretian" in the search box here...

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Then click the search button and it brings you to where the Cretians are mentioned in the scripture like here

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And there is like one place to go, and it will take you right to the context

If that helps any
 
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DesiredHaven

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It's probably talking about the people of Crete during that time period.
That is where the Cretes or Cretians did dwell but they had their own prophets (who had words for them) with which Paul agreed.

If someone stated that Californians were all liars, evil beasts with slow bellies, would you not think it kind of rude (even stereotypical) to agree with that?
 

maxwel

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I think that essentially... Paul was pointing out some issues in their culture that needed to be addressed.
 
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Tintin

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Paul is likely saying that the people of Crete are defined by these attributes (lying, viciousness, laziness and gluttony). I don't believe he's saying that there isn't any good in them, just that their culture doesn't foster godliness. Crete is considered the earliest recorded civilization in Europe, and along with that, the island was steeped in paganism to the point of suffocation. Paul didn't want them to just incorporate Jesus into their pantheon of gods and goddesses, He wanted them to worship God alone.
 
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"Slow bellies.—Rather, idle bellies. These terms paint with sharp accuracy another of the evil characteristics of the Cretan peoples—their dull gluttony, their slothful sensuality. The words are used especially of those who, by indulging their bodily appetites, become corpulent and indolent.

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Titus 1:12 - Verse-by-Verse Bible Commentary

http://www . studylight.org/commentary/titus/1-12.html
 
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Tintin

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Interesting!

A certain one of them, in fact, one of their own prophets, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” Titus 1:12

The prophet Paul references is the Cretan, Epimenides from the 6th century BC, and this saying can be attributed to him. Paul referenced Epi's work (God paving the way for belief in the one true God) when he refers to their Unknown God in Acts 17.

There's too much to mention here. But read up on Epimenides and what he did on Crete. Read up on Acts 17 in relation to what happened in Crete and you'll have your answer. :)

Here's something to get you started:
https://isthatinthebible.wordpress....allusions-to-epimenides-in-the-new-testament/
 
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DesiredHaven

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Paul is likely saying that the people of Crete are defined by these attributes (lying, viciousness, laziness and gluttony). I don't believe he's saying that there isn't any good in them, just that their culture doesn't foster godliness. Crete is considered the earliest recorded civilization in Europe, and along with that, the island was steeped in paganism to the point of suffocation. Paul didn't want them to just incorporate Jesus into their pantheon of gods and goddesses, He wanted them to worship God alone.
Okay thanks, I was looking at that Crete (as a place) and Cretian (as a sect) thing. Similiar to how I might with Nazareth (a place) and Nazarenes (as in Paul, who was called a ringleader of the sect of) the Nazarenes like they can be two different things (one born there but also of a particular mindset "fostered" there) as you might put it. So they had stereotypyes back then too, somewhat like what can be shown in what Nathaneal said of Nazareth, saying "Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?" Even when he was told Jesus come from there.


 
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DesiredHaven

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"Slow bellies.—Rather, idle bellies. These terms paint with sharp accuracy another of the evil characteristics of the Cretan peoples—their dull gluttony, their slothful sensuality. The words are used especially of those who, by indulging their bodily appetites, become corpulent and indolent.

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Text Courtesy of BibleSupport.com. Used by Permission."


Titus 1:12 - Verse-by-Verse Bible Commentary

http://www . studylight.org/commentary/titus/1-12.html
Thanks good info
 
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Tintin

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Okay thanks, I was looking at that Crete (as a place) and Cretian (as a sect) thing. Similiar to how I might with Nazareth (a place) and Nazarenes (as in Paul, who was called a ringleader of the sect of) the Nazarenes like they can be two different things (one born there but also of a particular mindset "fostered" there) as you might put it. So they had stereotypyes back then too, somewhat like what can be shown in what Nathaneal said of Nazareth, saying "Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?" Even when he was told Jesus come from there.


I'm not sure what Cretians even are, but Cretans were just the people of Crete. It's like people from Melbourne, Australia are called 'Melbournians'. Paul never belonged to a sect, he was a follower of Christ. But yes, Nazarenes and Nazareth are two very different things (while in some manner related by location).
 
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DesiredHaven

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Interesting!

A certain one of them, in fact, one of their own prophets, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” Titus 1:12

The prophet Paul references is the Cretan, Epimenides from the 6th century BC, and this saying can be attributed to him. Paul referenced Epi's work (God paving the way for belief in the one true God) when he refers to their Unknown God in Acts 17.

There's too much to mention here. But read up on Epimenides and what he did on Crete. Read up on Acts 17 in relation to what happened in Crete and you'll have your answer. :)

Here's something to get you started:
https://isthatinthebible.wordpress....allusions-to-epimenides-in-the-new-testament/

Hey thanks, I had heard of one poet for the sentence Paul uses "in him we live move and have our being" I forget his name or if its the same one or is of another poet, I wouldnt have thought it wouldnt be the same poet though.

Thanks for the link I will check this out
 
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Tintin

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Hey thanks, I had heard of one poet for the sentence Paul uses "in him we live move and have our being" I forget his name or if its the same one or is of another poet, I wouldnt have thought it wouldnt be the same poet though.

Thanks for the link I will check this out
My pleasure. Yes, that saying is also attributed to Epimenides.