Guide for woman's (1 Tim 2:9-15)
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Instead of making conversation about the thread, you guys are merely attacking him like hes a sexist pig.
Couldnt we actually talk about the bible verse and how it reflects today? Is it really so wrong to talk about one group of people and what God has asked of them? All he did was bring up a verse in a bible. We all struggle with temptations everyday. Why cant we talk about that?
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If its really so wrong for someone to point out that the bible has a dress code for women, does that make it wrong for ou to point out that men cant dress as women? Why are we not allowed to talk about one half of Gods children in any way, especially when it comes to the bible? Even if there were a sexist tone in the OP, cant you ignore it and actually talk about Gods word?
Couldnt we actually talk about the bible verse and how it reflects today? Is it really so wrong to talk about one group of people and what God has asked of them? All he did was bring up a verse in a bible. We all struggle with temptations everyday. Why cant we talk about that?
Nothing has come from this thread at all.
If its really so wrong for someone to point out that the bible has a dress code for women, does that make it wrong for ou to point out that men cant dress as women? Why are we not allowed to talk about one half of Gods children in any way, especially when it comes to the bible? Even if there were a sexist tone in the OP, cant you ignore it and actually talk about Gods word?
Not aimed at just you, but I would ask, when reading something like this, just how many men take this to mean that it is fine for them to be driving the particular car they are driving, to have a boat just for fun, or to belong to a Country Club to chase a little white ball around manicured acres, to dine where they dine..... and the list could go on and on (just so no one limits it just to the things I have mentioned).
Is this just to apply to women since that was Paul's focus?
Is this just to apply to women since that was Paul's focus?
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So do you disagree with Paul's instruction to Timothy?
Not a matter of a guy telling a woman.
My wife wouldn't, but if she was dressed inappropriately (today that usually is less clothing, more skin showing) and heading out the door, she knows she would be confronted (not as bad as it sounds), and just as she would confront me if I was dressed inappropriately (Nope, ain't going to wear speedo. Ain't going to do it). A father can do the same with his daughter.
If it comes down to man not being able to tell woman, we've missed the point of Paul's instruction to Timothy.
Not a matter of a guy telling a woman.
My wife wouldn't, but if she was dressed inappropriately (today that usually is less clothing, more skin showing) and heading out the door, she knows she would be confronted (not as bad as it sounds), and just as she would confront me if I was dressed inappropriately (Nope, ain't going to wear speedo. Ain't going to do it). A father can do the same with his daughter.
If it comes down to man not being able to tell woman, we've missed the point of Paul's instruction to Timothy.
Everyone struggles with temptation. But this thread was about a verse that was about women. My post was about the temptations that women go through with materialism and vanity in our developed society. Any hint at me saying that only women are guilty of materialism is entirely you. This verse is about women, and I posted something that I have noticed in the world in reference to women. I struggle just as much with temptation as anyone else. "Not one of you are righteous, no, not one".
Every human being has laws they have to live by. And we are allowed to talk about them, and we should all be sure to help each other stand with Gods law always.
How about we scrap all the theory, and get all practical and realistic for a minute?
1. It is nonsensical to think most men would marry a girl who's basic values (like how to dress) are totally divergent from their own.
(This makes most of this stuff a non-issue. You aren't going to marry a girl who thinks completely different than you on simple basic things, unless you're nuts. This principle makes most of these things a non issue. If you marry a girl who thinks completely opposite to you on everything... then... you just set yourself up for a lifetime of headache.)
2. ANY man can ORDER his wife to do whatever he wants... then he has to live with the consequences.
Either spouse can give orders, or mandates, or ultimatums at will... just open your mouth and let out whatever you like. But for anything that comes out of your mouth, there are consequences.
1. It is nonsensical to think most men would marry a girl who's basic values (like how to dress) are totally divergent from their own.
(This makes most of this stuff a non-issue. You aren't going to marry a girl who thinks completely different than you on simple basic things, unless you're nuts. This principle makes most of these things a non issue. If you marry a girl who thinks completely opposite to you on everything... then... you just set yourself up for a lifetime of headache.)
2. ANY man can ORDER his wife to do whatever he wants... then he has to live with the consequences.
Either spouse can give orders, or mandates, or ultimatums at will... just open your mouth and let out whatever you like. But for anything that comes out of your mouth, there are consequences.
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If you or nearly anyone else had raised the issue, it would have probably been better received.
Mikko tends to lecture others from a very legalistic stance and many on the forum find humor a better answer than telling him off. I think your post and your desire to look at how to apply the verse are admirable.
The day I am lucky enough to find a wife, I would be absolutely sure to let her know that I was worried that she was going against Gods will, if I believed that she was. And I would hope she did the same for me. I would try to help her get away from materialism and vanity and hope that she would keep me from the exact same thing.
I would not marry a woman who did whatever she wanted and took it offensively that I tried to talk to her about how she is not following Gods word.
I would not marry a woman who did whatever she wanted and took it offensively that I tried to talk to her about how she is not following Gods word.
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“Whatever is true, honorable, righteous, pure, righteous, lovely, of good report, excellence, praiseworthy.. THINK on these things." Why would you come into this place assuming the women of God here are lacking? What unrighteous things are you dwelling on today? You don't even know our hearts toward the Lord. And you have no idea what God is doing in each of our personal lives.
And you men who are going along with Mikko and encouraging him to be judgmental ~ Why are you not teaching your brothers how to love and respect their Christian sisters and spiritual mothers? Lifting them up above the world? Treating them with gentleness and kindness, as Jesus Himself did? Praise God for the spiritually mature men of God in here who show love, tenderness and godliness to the women of God on this site. You need to follow their example.
My spirit is so agitated with the legalistic and carnal views being posted on here regarding women of God. You don’t know the hours any of these women commit to prayer, intercession, meditation and ministry for the sake of Jesus Christ. You don't know what God knows, you can't assume the motive of people's hearts.
Mikko, you wrote:
"Today as we can see that the woman's part have change strongly away from the church of living god."
Oh really? “WE” see that? No, YOU see that and therein lies your problem. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever and still completes what He started in us, male and female. Jesus is just as alive in us today as He always was. It is God working in us to will and to do His good pleasure. Give Him the glory for His Spirit working in us rather than give place to the devil in condemning women of God.
Answer me this: How many hours of prayer have you spent today or even yesterday praying and interceding on behalf of the people on this site? How much time have you spent today praising and glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ? Have you visited the Prayer Forum on this site and seen the needs posted there? Have you interceded for any of those people? And yet you felt the urgent "call" today to criticize women in here.... ???
I am telling you to stop putting a wedge between men and women of God with your critical spirit. Help to make this forum a place where Christians can fellowship and encourage one another, where we can delight together in the liberty of Christ Jesus, rather than biting and devouring women and discouraging people of God.
And you men who are going along with Mikko and encouraging him to be judgmental ~ Why are you not teaching your brothers how to love and respect their Christian sisters and spiritual mothers? Lifting them up above the world? Treating them with gentleness and kindness, as Jesus Himself did? Praise God for the spiritually mature men of God in here who show love, tenderness and godliness to the women of God on this site. You need to follow their example.
My spirit is so agitated with the legalistic and carnal views being posted on here regarding women of God. You don’t know the hours any of these women commit to prayer, intercession, meditation and ministry for the sake of Jesus Christ. You don't know what God knows, you can't assume the motive of people's hearts.
Mikko, you wrote:
"Today as we can see that the woman's part have change strongly away from the church of living god."
Oh really? “WE” see that? No, YOU see that and therein lies your problem. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever and still completes what He started in us, male and female. Jesus is just as alive in us today as He always was. It is God working in us to will and to do His good pleasure. Give Him the glory for His Spirit working in us rather than give place to the devil in condemning women of God.
Answer me this: How many hours of prayer have you spent today or even yesterday praying and interceding on behalf of the people on this site? How much time have you spent today praising and glorifying the Lord Jesus Christ? Have you visited the Prayer Forum on this site and seen the needs posted there? Have you interceded for any of those people? And yet you felt the urgent "call" today to criticize women in here.... ???
I am telling you to stop putting a wedge between men and women of God with your critical spirit. Help to make this forum a place where Christians can fellowship and encourage one another, where we can delight together in the liberty of Christ Jesus, rather than biting and devouring women and discouraging people of God.
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Actually, on second thought, I think I may have gotten a bit too upset.
I struggle with many of the same temptations, and I very much do believe that women have this problem much worse than men do. Everyone has to be careful with their desires when it comes to following God, and I think its a loving thing that someone would want to encourage someone that they are worried.
Thats not in reference to anyone, thats just an overall statement about all of His believers. I know that people can definitely use the bible for a sexist agenda, but I still want to take the bible seriously with all my heart, and talk about it with other believers :3
I struggle with many of the same temptations, and I very much do believe that women have this problem much worse than men do. Everyone has to be careful with their desires when it comes to following God, and I think its a loving thing that someone would want to encourage someone that they are worried.
Thats not in reference to anyone, thats just an overall statement about all of His believers. I know that people can definitely use the bible for a sexist agenda, but I still want to take the bible seriously with all my heart, and talk about it with other believers :3
Everyone is lacking. We have been told that none of us are righteous.
Do you not often see talk about men and the struggles they go through on earth on CC? Is it not possible to talk about things women go through on the earth, too? In what way is talking about the issues I see with evil being put on women in todays world not supportive? Do you not believe that I struggle with many of those things too? Even with some that I shouldnt even struggle with... Theres a difference between telling people "do what I say" and being supportive of the evil thats being advertised on your brothers and sisters.
There is an evil force coming for women just like it is for men. And for children too. Every one of us has a battle here that we endure in His name together.
Do you not often see talk about men and the struggles they go through on earth on CC? Is it not possible to talk about things women go through on the earth, too? In what way is talking about the issues I see with evil being put on women in todays world not supportive? Do you not believe that I struggle with many of those things too? Even with some that I shouldnt even struggle with... Theres a difference between telling people "do what I say" and being supportive of the evil thats being advertised on your brothers and sisters.
There is an evil force coming for women just like it is for men. And for children too. Every one of us has a battle here that we endure in His name together.
I may have not picked up on the OPs point, and just carried the verse with things that I think about. I really only read the verse he posted without picking up on anything else 
Its possible to talk about the verse in a faithful way, but Im kinda bummed out by the thread in general. It sorta made me feel kinda crappy about things, it seems obvious that this thread could have been done better. Maybe a better thread will come around at some point and there can be actual conversation about meaningful things Im gonna drop out of the thread and find other people to talk to about these things with
Its possible to talk about the verse in a faithful way, but Im kinda bummed out by the thread in general. It sorta made me feel kinda crappy about things, it seems obvious that this thread could have been done better. Maybe a better thread will come around at some point and there can be actual conversation about meaningful things
Im gonna drop out of the thread and find other people to talk to about these things with Well, as most of you know, I spent much time facilitating Sexual Behavior Modification classes for criminals, thus I am a bit sensitive about anything that places blame on women for the thoughts and actions of men. I guess I just can't sit and listen to anything that even hints at that...... even if the venerated Paul wrote it.
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Everyone is lacking? Really? That's what you are focused on? I prefer to walk in the Light of Christ Jesus, dwelling on His righteousness in people, encouraging and praying for one another, speaking to one another in peace and liberty in the spirit, sharing music and melody with our hearts to the Lord; always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father....
Yes, I would much rather walk in liberty and joy and expectation in Christ Jesus and see things from His perspective of hope and grace. I would rather take the mind of Christ and hope in Him and trust His Spirit in people's lives instead of always complaining about the lack of mankind.
I find it impossible to believe that the Lord called people to come onto this site to command His children to focus on the outward when He plainly tells us to no longer view one another in the flesh.
Yes, I would much rather walk in liberty and joy and expectation in Christ Jesus and see things from His perspective of hope and grace. I would rather take the mind of Christ and hope in Him and trust His Spirit in people's lives instead of always complaining about the lack of mankind.
I find it impossible to believe that the Lord called people to come onto this site to command His children to focus on the outward when He plainly tells us to no longer view one another in the flesh.