Cain and Abel

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[SUP]11[/SUP] For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
[SUP]12[/SUP] Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

So, what was so evil about Cains works and so righteous about Abel's works? And why did Jesus, Himself, call Abel a righteous person?That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Well, I guess, to find an answer to that question we should go all the way back to the beginning of time and see what transpired between Cain and Abel.


And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
[SUP]3[/SUP] And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
[SUP]4[/SUP] And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
[SUP]5[/SUP] But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
[SUP]6[/SUP] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[SUP]7[/SUP] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
[SUP]8[/SUP] And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

So, we have to 2 brothers who were both believers. They were both religious folks who wanted to bring an offering to God. In affect, they were both saying Lord, Lord. Cain was the first one to bring an offering. It was his idea. Abel just followed suit. So, why would God have respect unto Abel's offering but not to Cains? To understand the answer to this question we have to understand the physical world they were living in. Before the flood of Noah, all the animals, including man, were vegetarian. Abel did not have to worry about wild animals attacking his sheep. All he did was lay around on the green grass, eating the fruit off the trees that the Lord supplied in abundance and then just led his flock of sheep from one green pasture to another. Not really any work involved at all. Whereas Cain was such a hard worker. Tilling the soil by the sweat of his brow. Working so hard and proud of all his accomplishments as he saw all his vegetables and fruit that he planted and watered and cause to grow spring up. He was so proud of all his accomplishments and good works, in fact, that he decided he wanted to show God how good and righteous he was by presenting the fruit of the ground as an offering. He felt, surely God would recognize his good work and give him a much deserved pat on the back for it. So when God had respect unto his "lazy bum" Abel's offering and not unto his, his jaw almost dropped to the ground in astonishment. He was so crestfallen and angry at God's lack of discernment. And, of course, he was so jealous that he went out and slew his brother in a fit of rage.

Abel's offering was from a thankful and humble heart in thanking God for all His blessings and for God's love and care for him. Cains offering was a proud heart of how much he accomplished and could take care of himself by the sweat of his brow. So, what's the moral of this story?

Righteousness is depending solely on God for your Salvation by believing in the sacrificial lamb, Jesus Christ, who offered up Himself for our sins and depending on His loving care for you.
Evilness, sin at the door, is depending on your own righteous ability to do good and keep the law and obey the commandments, instead of depending on the Lord's grace, love and mercy.

It's like the difference between the Pharisee and the publican who went up into the temple to pray.


And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
[SUP]10[/SUP] Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[SUP]11[/SUP] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[SUP]12[/SUP] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[SUP]13[/SUP] And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[SUP]14[/SUP] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
 
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Abel's offering was of blood and of faith......

Cain's offering was one of works and lacked faith....

Cain is one of the three false teachers identified in Jude with the false teachers of Jude's day as well as our day being compared to Cain.....he trusted in his own works and that in essence was the offering that Cain offered.......
 
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God looked with favor on Abel's offering because of his righteous believing heart (Heb 11:4), and
he looked with disfavor on Cain's offering because of his evil murderous heart (1Jn 3:12).

It was about their hearts, as it was under the Mosaic law.
 
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Excellent opening post. Also, God was a lover of meat when it came to sacrifices. Veggies just didn't cut it!
 

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Abel's offering pointed to Jesus as well.

It's only through Jesus (God's love for us) that we are made righteous.

Also - God said to Cain, why has your countenance fallen? If you do not do good, will you not be accepted?

So Cain knew better.

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The Hebrew word for the two men's offerings is from minchah (min-khaw')
which means: to apportion, i.e. bestow; a donation; euphemistically, tribute;
specifically a sacrificial offering (usually bloodless and voluntary).

Since the offerings were minchah type offerings-- which are essentially gifts
rather than atonements --it would be wrong to insist Abel slew his firstling
and/or burned it to ashes. In point of fact, holocaust offerings go by the
name of 'olah (o-law') instead of minchah; for example Gen 22:2.

Ancient rabbis understood the brothers' offerings to be a "first fruits" kind of
oblation.

T. And it was at the end of days, on the fourteenth of Nisan, that Kain
brought of the produce of the earth, the seed of cotton (or line), an oblation
of first things before the Lord; and Habel brought of the firstlings of the
flock. (Targum Jonathan)

Seeing as how Cain was a farmer, then in his case, an amount of produce
was the appropriate first fruits offering, and seeing as how Abel was an
animal husbandman, then in his case a head of livestock was the appropriate
first fruits offering.

I don't know why people get so fixated on the nature of the men's offerings
because God focused upon their conduct. In other words; God was
displeased with Cain, therefore he rejected Cain's gift; whereas God was
pleased with Abel, therefore he accepted Abel's gift.

One's conduct always trumps one's gifts, e.g. Pro 15:8, Isa 1:11-20, and
Hos 6:6.

The two men had probably been bringing God the very same gifts time after
time for a number of years but this time there was a fly in the ointment.
Well; Cain's fly is an elephant in the middle of the room. It was friction
between him and his brother. It is wrong to worship God while the
worshipper's relationship with their kin is dysfunctional.

†. Matt 5:23-24 . .Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there
remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift
there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother,
and then come and offer your gift.

I've no doubt there's a pretty good numbers of dysfunctional Christian
families out there who really ought not come to church together on Sunday
mornings. The family's Cains especially should maybe go fishing or stay
home and watch football instead of coming to church.

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The Hebrew word for the two men's offerings is from minchah (min-khaw')
which means: to apportion, i.e. bestow; a donation; euphemistically, tribute;
specifically a sacrificial offering (usually bloodless and voluntary).

Since the offerings were minchah type offerings-- which are essentially gifts
rather than atonements --it would be wrong to insist Abel slew his firstling
and/or burned it to ashes. In point of fact, holocaust offerings go by the
name of 'olah (o-law') instead of minchah; for example Gen 22:2.

Ancient rabbis understood the brothers' offerings to be a "first fruits" kind of
oblation.

T. And it was at the end of days, on the fourteenth of Nisan, that Kain
brought of the produce of the earth, the seed of cotton (or line), an oblation
of first things before the Lord; and Habel brought of the firstlings of the
flock. (Targum Jonathan)

Seeing as how Cain was a farmer, then in his case, an amount of produce
was the appropriate first fruits offering, and seeing as how Abel was an
animal husbandman, then in his case a head of livestock was the appropriate
first fruits offering.

I don't know why people get so fixated on the nature of the men's offerings
because God focused upon their conduct. In other words; God was
displeased with Cain, therefore he rejected Cain's gift; whereas God was
pleased with Abel, therefore he accepted Abel's gift.

One's conduct always trumps one's gifts, e.g. Pro 15:8, Isa 1:11-20, and
Hos 6:6.

The two men had probably been bringing God the very same gifts time after
time for a number of years but this time there was a fly in the ointment.
Well; Cain's fly is an elephant in the middle of the room. It was friction
between him and his brother. It is wrong to worship God while the
worshipper's relationship with their kin is dysfunctional.

†. Matt 5:23-24 . .Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there
remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift
there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother,
and then come and offer your gift.

I've no doubt there's a pretty good numbers of dysfunctional Christian
families out there who really ought not come to church together on Sunday
mornings. The family's Cains especially should maybe go fishing or stay
home and watch football instead of coming to church.

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Hebrews testifies clearly that Abel's offering was based upon FAITH and that it was a more EXCELLENT offering than Cain's....

Nothing is said of Cain's anger toward Abel until AFTER his offering was rejected......there is NO perceived animosity listed in Genesis between Cain and Abel before Cain's offering is rejected....It is obvious by verse 6 that Cain's anger came out of being rejected by God which in turn was turned into jealousy toward Abel.

Abel's offering was MORE excellent because it was based UPON faith...faith in what? <---Faith in the promise of the Messiah as found in Genesis 3:15 and evidenced by the shedding of the blood of a lamb as in....

1. The FIRSTLINGS of the FLOCK
2. AND THE FAT THEREOF

What exactly happened unto the fat in the offering process.....Exodus 29:13.....yeah I understand that this was written and given well after the account in Genesis.....

The first proof of shed blood and God covering the shame of humanity came well before the story of Cain and Abel when God killed the animal (shed blood) and made coats of skins to cover the shame and nakedness of Adam and Eve.
 
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lHebrews testifies clearly that Abel's offering was based upon FAITH and that it was a more EXCELLENT offering than Cain's....

Nothing is said of Cain's anger toward Abel until AFTER his offering was rejected......there is NO perceived animosity listed in Genesis between Cain and Abel before Cain's offering is rejected....It is obvious by verse 6 that Cain's anger came out of being rejected by God which in turn was turned into jealousy toward Abel.
You don't think Heb and 1Jn present them that way?
 
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You don't think Heb and 1Jn present them that way?

Hey Elin, I think the context of Genesis and Hebrews are clear......there is no doubt that Cain was evil, hated his brother and murdered his brother out of anger and jealousy...however...that does not change the facts of what took place in Genesis, how the text reads and what Hebrews states concerning the offering of Abel.....I have been up a while so maybe I am missing what you are saying........Cain's countenance falls and he gets angry when his offering is rejected by God...his offering was not made in faith and or did not point to faith....In Jude the false teachers of Jude's day are compared to CAIN...what did Cain offer...the works of his hands, the works of the cursed ground.
 

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Although this is mostly inference, it does seem like a reasonable explanation for why Cain reacted as he did. I do think your perspective is more comprehensive than the usual "Cain didn't bring the first-fruits."
 

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In a sense, Abel was just as 'evil' as Cain. The difference is that on account of Abel's faith, he was counted as righteous...not his own, but the imputed righteousness of Christ.
 
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So, we have to 2 brothers who were both believers. .
The bible does not teach that Cain was a believer....as a matter of fact I states that he was of that WICKED one and was the first LOST man.......obviously he believed in God just as the devils do.....but there was no redemption in him.....!
 
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Abel's offering was of blood and of faith......

Cain's offering was one of works and lacked faith....

Cain is one of the three false teachers identified in Jude with the false teachers of Jude's day as well as our day being compared to Cain.....he trusted in his own works and that in essence was the offering that Cain offered.......
Amen. This controversy regarding grace vs works started way at the beginning of time with Cain and Abel. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
 
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The bible does not teach that Cain was a believer....as a matter of fact I states that he was of that WICKED one and was the first LOST man.......obviously he believed in God just as the devils do.....but there was no redemption in him.....!
You're right. I agree. That's exactly what I meant. I'm looking at it from the standpoint that Cain believed in God, in the same way the scribes and pharisees believed in God. Not in the sense of a saved believer in Christ. After all, Cain is the one who wanted to bring the first fruits of his harvest as an offering to God. But, like the scribes and pharisees, he thought his good works made him more righteous than others, but the fact was that his works didn't save him and didn't make him acceptable to God.
 
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You're right. I agree. That's exactly what I meant. I'm looking at it from the standpoint that Cain believed in God, in the same way the scribes and pharisees believed in God. Not in the sense of a saved believer in Christ. After all, Cain is the one who wanted to bring the first fruits of his harvest as an offering to God. But, like the scribes and pharisees, he thought his good works made him more righteous than others, but the fact was that his works didn't save him and didn't make him acceptable to God.
AMEN and I agree......the first false teacher on the planet promoted works over faith.....Abel promoted faith......awesome truth for sure........
 
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AMEN and I agree......the first false teacher on the planet promoted works over faith.....Abel promoted faith......awesome truth for sure........
so hasatan in the garden wasn't a false teacher - he taught eve the truth ? (i don't think so)
 
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In a sense, Abel was just as 'evil' as Cain. The difference is that on account of Abel's faith, he was counted as righteous...not his own, but the imputed righteousness of Christ.
Amen to that. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the garden they brought sin into the world. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:(Romans 5:12)

So Adam and Eve's immediate children, Cain and Abel, were both born in sin and both sinners who fell short of the glory of God. But righteousness was imputed upon Abel because he depended solely on the Lord to save him, keep and protect him. His faith was in the Lord's perfect love and care for him. Whereas Cains faith was in himself and his own righteous ability to do good and be good.
 
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Excellent opening post. Also, God was a lover of meat when it came to sacrifices. Veggies just didn't cut it!
Before the Law was given, "firstfruits" offerings could be of any kind, fruit, veggie, meat, grain, whatever. The key was the contriteness of heart by which they were given, not by what genus and phylum from which they came. Even under the Law, if the farmer had no livestock, his fruit, veggie, or grain offering was sufficient. He still had to purchase a lamb for the atonement sacrifice, however.
 
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so hasatan in the garden wasn't a false teacher - he taught eve the truth ? (i don't think so)
Come on Jeff. Let's not get technical. You know he meant the first human false teacher. But if you really want to get technical, it wasn't Satan who tempted Eve it was the serpent, one of the beasts of the field that God created. Maybe Satan possessed the serpent, but again let's not get technical.