Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine and St. Thomas: Masters of Theology
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well, at some time there was the first nt book, many think 1 thess... the first readers of that, did they know what the words meant? they couldn't consult the rest of the nt...
so, do you believe that the greek words used in the nt are completely seperated from their usage on the greek street? if so, I'm cool with that belief... to me, it looks otherwise...
so, do you believe that the greek words used in the nt are completely seperated from their usage on the greek street? if so, I'm cool with that belief... to me, it looks otherwise...
little children are full of awe, full of questions (up to a point -- the questions/answers are all already perfectly answered in yahshua, at rest, peacefully, expansively, beautifully)
as in "seek him while he may be found" and many more examples truth in his WORD.....
those who have become as little children LIVE IN HIM, DELIGHTED IN HIM, REJOICING IN HIM,
and won't listen to another who is not the shepherd (all the world and its pagan philosophies and all its religions).....
as in "seek him while he may be found" and many more examples truth in his WORD.....
those who have become as little children LIVE IN HIM, DELIGHTED IN HIM, REJOICING IN HIM,
and won't listen to another who is not the shepherd (all the world and its pagan philosophies and all its religions).....
take the words Epicurean and Stoic in Acts 17... they don't occur anywhere else in the nt... if we can't consult the street greek, we wouldn't know what they mean... yet it's interesting that Luke singles out those two groups as talking with Paul, and Luke talks about the kinds of things they're saying... there's information to be had there, imo...
good point, and I can't think of any quotes... I just assumed it was implied in things like 'seeking wisdom' in proverbs...
also implied in Paul's extended disputes at Athens...
compare Paul's experience in Athens, where they like to hear and talk about new things, with his experience in other places that were more set in their thinking...
in Athens, he gets to talk a lot with many people... no beatings, no arrests, worst thing that happens is he's mocked by some...
other places, beatings, arrests, etc...
why am I talking so much about Athens? imo, it's the place talked about in the bible that's closest to our Western way of thinking... and often pointed to as the beginning of western civ...
also implied in Paul's extended disputes at Athens...
compare Paul's experience in Athens, where they like to hear and talk about new things, with his experience in other places that were more set in their thinking...
in Athens, he gets to talk a lot with many people... no beatings, no arrests, worst thing that happens is he's mocked by some...
other places, beatings, arrests, etc...
why am I talking so much about Athens? imo, it's the place talked about in the bible that's closest to our Western way of thinking... and often pointed to as the beginning of western civ...
The interesting thing to note here, is that in an area where they SEEK new knowledge, they LISTENED to Paul and welcomed him... however, where their mind is made up (God's people, the Jews, who know PRECISELY who God is and EXACTLY how He acts, they think), is where he experienced hostility.
It's not Jesus that offends in terms of the world - Jesus offended those whose minds were already brainwashed and made up. Jesus is about change, the new, the ever-growing - people who think they have found the "truth" the absolute truth and need not look any more: those will not recognize Jesus when He speaks to them, because He is about constant revelation, to a constantly changing world and lives. That's why those who were "sinners" and rejected because they didn't fit the mold, received him more. Naturally, they probably resented the status quo a bit, and was refreshed by something new.
It's not Jesus that offends in terms of the world - Jesus offended those whose minds were already brainwashed and made up. Jesus is about change, the new, the ever-growing - people who think they have found the "truth" the absolute truth and need not look any more: those will not recognize Jesus when He speaks to them, because He is about constant revelation, to a constantly changing world and lives. That's why those who were "sinners" and rejected because they didn't fit the mold, received him more. Naturally, they probably resented the status quo a bit, and was refreshed by something new.
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I feel jesus would say be open to thinkers and authors for my father gave them life and the spirit. Now, be open doesn't mean accept everything they say. There are hidden books of scriptures even today and archeaologists still find writings from the time of jesus. There is a sign on a church in my town that reads," God is Still Speaking".
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The Three Stooges Plus One 
Moe - He's the big cheese. His philosophy: "Do as I say, or suffer the consequences."
Larry - He's a Moe wanna-be. His philosophy: "Do as I say, just don't tell Moe."
Curly - He's the best. His philosophy: "Follow."
Pope - He is to religion as to what Mickey Mouse is to Disneyland. Philosophy: "I am most holy, kiss the ring."
Moe - He's the big cheese. His philosophy: "Do as I say, or suffer the consequences."
Larry - He's a Moe wanna-be. His philosophy: "Do as I say, just don't tell Moe."
Curly - He's the best. His philosophy: "Follow."
Pope - He is to religion as to what Mickey Mouse is to Disneyland. Philosophy: "I am most holy, kiss the ring."
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Yes, I've heard that idea, too... it's true that we have no record of any church in Athens until much later (though now, we are looking at things outside the nt to help understand the nt).
It does say that some joined Paul and believed, which, I think, is true of everywhere Paul preached. Another possible reading is that Paul realized that what worked in Athens wouldn't work as well in Corinth.
It does say that some joined Paul and believed, which, I think, is true of everywhere Paul preached. Another possible reading is that Paul realized that what worked in Athens wouldn't work as well in Corinth.
Yes, if one is looking just at core nt teachings, then I agree. In my experience, there's much wisdom to be gained by looking at other things the bible has to offer, as well...
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Here's something I ran into when considering whether to use just the nt to understand the nt... what does it mean when Jesus said, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"? and, "These signs will accompany those who believe... they will take up serpents"? Some say it doesn't mean anything, because he didn't say it. If I look just to the nt to see if he said it or not, I get stuck in a loop.
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Here's something I ran into when considering whether to use just the nt to understand the nt... what does it mean when Jesus said, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"? and, "These signs will accompany those who believe... they will take up serpents"? Some say it doesn't mean anything, because he didn't say it. If I look just to the nt to see if he said it or not, I get stuck in a loop.