The dead in Christ are only asleep

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Jesus referred to death as sleep, just as those who sleep slumber in darkness.

Matthew 25:5
While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Only the elect are truly awake, and the rest were given a spirit of slumber.
 
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Jesus referred to death as sleep, just as those who sleep slumber in darkness.

Matthew 25:5
While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Only the elect are truly awake, and the rest were given a spirit of slumber.
I think you just contradicted yourself since the verse said ALL. You even underlined it.
 

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Seems you are conflating to separate issues. Those that physically die and R buried and those that are spiritually dead ...zombies!
 
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Seems you are conflating to separate issues. Those that physically die and R buried and those that are spiritually dead ...zombies!
Think about this, why do you think Paul used the words the "dead" in Christ when surely he understood this....

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Mark 12:27
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Luke 20:38
For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

I believe Paul was speaking in a mystery when he used the words "dead" in Christ. :)
 

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Think about this, why do you think Paul used the words the "dead" in Christ when surely he understood this....

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Mark 12:27
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Luke 20:38
For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

I believe Paul was speaking in a mystery when he used the words "dead" in Christ. :)
When I sleep at night, I'm still living. Cannot those in Christ still be alive though they are in a 'sleep' state they we know not of?
 
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I think you just contradicted yourself since the verse said ALL. You even underlined it.
Even the very elect were once "dead" in our trespasses and sins, so I don't see it as a contradiction, for all have sinned.

Ephesians 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
 
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When I sleep at night, I'm still living. Cannot those in Christ still be alive though they are in a 'sleep' state they we know not of?
That's my point, there is more to this than first meets the eye. Sleep and death can be shown in scripture as more than just physical states, but also spiritual.
 
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hmmmmm? Got My Thinking. The Dead In Christ Are Only Sleeping? Yet God Of The Living?
 
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Think about this, Jesus himself was given for a sign (sign of Jonah)

Luke 2:34
And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

What is the sign?

Mark 14:58"We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands."

Paul said concerning Israel in Romans 11:7-8 "What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
[SUP]8 [/SUP](According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear)unto this day."

But then Paul says in Romans 11:15 "
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?"

Again, the sign of Jonah....

Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
 
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Luke 16:19-25 (KJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP]There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: [SUP]20 [/SUP]And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, [SUP]21 [/SUP]And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [SUP]23 [/SUP]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luke 23:42-43 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. [SUP]43 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

A real paradise, & a real hell. Sleep is only physical, not spiritual.
 

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Guess we all have to wait to find out exactly how it is.

I have often wondered about this: If there is no "time" in other dimensions such as we know it - and Scripture tells us that God is even now in the past as He is in the future - maybe it is more like the moment we take our last breath here, we are immediately in heaven (even though on earth years could pass?
 
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Guess we all have to wait to find out exactly how it is.

I have often wondered about this: If there is no "time" in other dimensions such as we know it - and Scripture tells us that God is even now in the past as He is in the future - maybe it is more like the moment we take our last breath here, we are immediately in heaven (even though on earth years could pass?
I kinda lean that way.
 
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Genesis 35:18
And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she called his name Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.

Departing to where?.......

Pulpit Commentary.......

Verse 18. - And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, - literally, in the departing of her soul; not into annihilation, but into another (a disembodied) state of existence (vide Genesis 25:3)

Ecclesiastes 12:7

and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Perhaps you say what about the verses that say from ashes to ashes and dust to dust? ....... see the commentaries below the verse as an example......
Pulpit commentary: "rather the sentence signifies that death, releasing the spirit, or soul, from the earthly tabernacle, places it in the more immediate presence of God, there, as the Targum paraphrases the passage, returning to stand in judgment before its Creator.

When i used to be influenced (hindered) by so called remnant teachings i believed the same spoon fed things like soul sleep but this doesn't seem right at all especially in light of the aforementioned verses. Living and learning daily. Praise God in Jesus Christ :)

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Sleep is only physical, not spiritual.
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Ephesians 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

1 Thessalonians 5:6
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Mark 13:35-37[SUP] [/SUP]Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
 
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and you know "awake from the continuing state of remaining asleep;
be resurrected TODAY from death
(existing now on earth apart from the one true living yahweh creator, who went yahshua hamashiach(jesus messiah) born of man, made man, in the flesh, to save men from their sins) "

the number of people awake on earth are few. the number walking dead in sleep are multitudes/ wide road.....
 
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Guess we all have to wait to find out exactly how it is.

I have often wondered about this: If there is no "time" in other dimensions such as we know it - and Scripture tells us that God is even now in the past as He is in the future - maybe it is more like the moment we take our last breath here, we are immediately in heaven (even though on earth years could pass?
no guessing involved.
that is what is written. (not about other diimensions maybe... but about time, certainly. )
 
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Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Ephesians 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

1 Thessalonians 5:6
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Mark 13:35-37Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Very good verses as 3 of them; Romans 13:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:6, and Mark 13:35-37....
All show that the sleeping being spoke of here is those who believe nothing is required of them to do in the faith. For it is referring to lazy disobedient servants that sit back and do nothing thinking they are still saved. Jesus and Paul both are saying wake up and realize you are to be active in the faith, and do not sit back and be lazy and squander your faith. For Jesus says in Luke 12 that if He comes and finds you being disobedient to His will, He will cut those in two and appoint them a place with the unbelievers....
 

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Just food for thought from my experience.

After fasting drinking water only for many days...in my experience I did not sleep even according to the flesh...but only dreamed...and was eventually aware in my dreams and had free will. Now when I fast for even a short time...the same happens.
 
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Very good verses as 3 of them; Romans 13:11, 1 Thessalonians 5:6, and Mark 13:35-37....
All show that the sleeping being spoke of here is those who believe nothing is required of them to do in the faith. For it is referring to lazy disobedient servants that sit back and do nothing thinking they are still saved. Jesus and Paul both are saying wake up and realize you are to be active in the faith, and do not sit back and be lazy and squander your faith. For Jesus says in Luke 12 that if He comes and finds you being disobedient to His will, He will cut those in two and appoint them a place with the unbelievers....
Those who spiritually sleep, sleep in the darkness.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.