Do antisemitic Gentile Christians provoke rejection or Biblical jealousy?

[just-me]

I am in the process of reading a booklet concerning Ephraim and Judah becoming "one stick in God's hand" at the end of the age. For centuries, the Christian Gentile church has rejected and condemned all that the Jewish/Israelite religion practices whether Messianic or non-Messianic. It appears that this has been an ongoing problem that causes rejection of the truth in Christ rather than acceptance that Jesus is the true Messiah in the Jewish sect. In that case it is clear that the prayer "thy kingdom come" is recited by denominational ritual and people have no idea what they are praying. Here's what Paul said about the way we should conduct ourselves in this situation, him referring to God's word through Moses in Deuteronomy 32:21.

"But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you." Romans 10:19

"I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Romans 11:11

So what did Paul say he did to counteract this antisemitism which has always been a source of contention and tactics between Israel and the Gentiles that is constantly used by the adversary against God's will?

"And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;" 1 Corinthians 9:20

The book I'm reading and suggest for all Christians who want to know the future plan for the new Jerusalem and the bride of Christ is........
Who is Israel?

This is NOT an advertisement simply a suggestion for edification showing us what we need to understand in order to do the will of God in this area of discipleship.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I would just like to say that the "Semitic" peoples, PLURAL, include a lot more than just Jews. Yes, it even includes Arabs and other groups which many professing Christians despise because they have been so "Judaized" into believing certain things about natural Israel which God Himself doesn't even believe. Anyhow, my point is that "anti-Semitism" extends well beyond the treatment of Jews and many professing Christians nowadays are being trained to be "ant-Semites" in relation to many non-Jewish, yet Semitic peoples, by their heretical teachers (cough* the arch-heretic John Hagee, for example *cough).

 

[KJV1611]

I am in the process of reading a booklet concerning Ephraim and Judah becoming "one stick in God's hand" at the end of the age. For centuries, the Christian Gentile church has rejected and condemned all that the Jewish/Israelite religion practices whether Messianic or non-Messianic. It appears that this has been an ongoing problem that causes rejection of the truth in Christ rather than acceptance that Jesus is the true Messiah in the Jewish sect. In that case it is clear that the prayer "thy kingdom come" is recited by denominational ritual and people have no idea what they are praying. Here's what Paul said about the way we should conduct ourselves in this situation, him referring to God's word through Moses in Deuteronomy 32:21.

"But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you." Romans 10:19

"I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Romans 11:11

So what did Paul say he did to counteract this antisemitism which has always been a source of contention and tactics between Israel and the Gentiles that is constantly used by the adversary against God's will?

"And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;" 1 Corinthians 9:20

The book I'm reading and suggest for all Christians who want to know the future plan for the new Jerusalem and the bride of Christ is........
Who is Israel?

This is NOT an advertisement simply a suggestion for edification showing us what we need to understand in order to do the will of God in this area of discipleship.

I'm not sure what angle you're coming at this from, but some people take Romans 10:19 to mean Israel will turn back to God because of their jealously of our relationship with God.

In Deuteronomy the jealousy God moved Israel too is not a good thing, it's a "you reap what you sew" bad thing. Israel rejected God ways and moved Him to jealousy, God turned it back on them as judgment.

One last thing... In my opinion, Ephraim and Judah becoming one stick in God's hand is talking about the Jewish and Gentile believers becoming one in the body of Christ.

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

 

[Least]

I wasn't able to read the booklet yet, but hopefully I'll be able to later. Just wanted to mention that even from the introductory statement, and the passage from Ezekiel there's so much to be examined, I'm looking forward to reading it.

Ezekiel 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

A friend and I were looking at this very subject just this morning. A few things that we looked at involved Joseph, and the "foreshadows" involved with him, seeing that his name is on one of the sticks. (She and I are going to be looking at Judah soon too.)

Considering the examples of the two names written on the sticks reveals a lot just from that one verse.

A few points that we touched on were that Abraham was told that his descendant would go into captivity for 400 years and the nation that brought them into captivity would be judged and then they would be brought out with great substance.

So Joseph was the beginning of the fulfillment of that prophecy, but there's also a picture in just the account of Joseph's trails and his being set free. As a foreshadow, that would tie also to the Gentiles, "who were not a people."

Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

Galatians 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We are grafted in by Christ.

As much as Joseph was the natural seed and descendant of Abraham, we also are heirs to the promise of being set free as well as the promises involved with being faithful. The natural picture of captivity in Egypt and the people being set free, and the heavenly picture of freedom in Christ, according to the promise. After the Hebrew people were set free, then God set His ways before them in the wilderness before they were brought into the promised land.

It's exciting searching these things out and finding connections from throughout the bible. There's always so much more to learn and to understand and to seek out with Christ. I'm sure the booklet will very sharpening, looking forward to reading it.

 

[resurrection33]

I'm quite sure antisemitic Christians are not pleasing the Lord.

 

[Sophia]

What is a Gentile?
What is Semetic?
What is a Jew?
What is a Christian?

 

[Breeze7]

If god calls you, you are not wrong. If you call to god, you are not wrong. The whole, tree is known by its fruits thing...
I feel this should be looked at by the lens of the holy spirit not so culturally or politically, only thoughts.

 

[Sophia]

I am skeptical of TV preachers when they focus on gaining money, doubting their claim of being a Christian.
This does not mean that I am antichristianic.

I am skeptical of people who reject the deity/Lordship/Christhood of Jesus, doubting their claim of being the People of God.
This does not mean I am antisemitic.

Doubting a label does not equal being against what the label represents.

 

[just-me]

I'm quite sure antisemitic Christians are not pleasing the Lord.

My thoughts too, especially reading this book and having God's prophecy confirmed with scripture that I am familiar with.

 

[Stephen63]

That one selfsame group we continually wind up at every time we investigate problems between the church & Israel is the same group that the church of 100 yrs ago most all denominations agreed was the "little horn" of the 10 horned beast, the only "church" that's also a government...... and I agree with them.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

according to the bible gentiles are supposed to make israel jealous by showing that we are now in covenant with God and that the word of God has now been entrusted to us...these were two things that the jews were very proud of under moses...and showing that those things now belong to us is supposed to be a source of jealousy that will lead them to look into the message of christ as a way of receiving those things again...

on the other hand here are some ways that the bible -doesn't- tell us to provoke israel to jealousy...
...promoting conspiracy theories about the modern state of israel
...promoting nonsense about modern jews being ethnic imposters
...promoting the racist anti semitic rhetoric of anti zionism
...claiming that the jews are the ultimate end time bad guys

 

[crossnote]

"For centuries, the Christian Gentile church has rejected and condemned all that the Jewish/Israelite religion practices whether Messianic or non-Messianic."

That's a rather broad....

 

[crossnote]

I would just like to say that the "Semitic" peoples, PLURAL, include a lot more than just Jews. Yes, it even includes Arabs and other groups which many professing Christians despise because they have been so "Judaized" into believing certain things about natural Israel which God Himself doesn't even believe. Anyhow, my point is that "anti-Semitism" extends well beyond the treatment of Jews and many professing Christians nowadays are being trained to be "ant-Semites" in relation to many non-Jewish, yet Semitic peoples, by their heretical teachers (cough* the arch-heretic John Hagee, for example *cough).

What do you call it when these 'semite' groups continually attack the other 'semite' group?

 

[just-me]

"For centuries, the Christian Gentile church has rejected and condemned all that the Jewish/Israelite religion practices whether Messianic or non-Messianic."

That's a rather broad....

To be more narrow instead of broad consider Constantine and pope Gregory for beginners.

 

[just-me]

In 325 A.D. it was declared official by Constantine at the Council of Nicene (Roman decree), whereby worshipping on the Sabbath or in a synagogue was prohibited, as well as celebrating the feasts. In order to become a Christian under Constantine's reign, a new Jewish believer had to renounce all customs, rights, legalisms, unleavened breads and feasts ...new moons...synagogues, shabbats... everything Jewish, every right, law and custom (15). To make an even more defined division of the two sects, Constantine at this time declared that Christians would worship only on the first day of the week, now called Sunday, the day of the sun god. He further changed the observance of Passover to the spring pagan holiday of Ishtar, now known as Easter, as well as changing the birth of Yeshua from the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles (Succoth) to the pagan winter solstice, the birthday of Nimrod on December 25, now known as Christmas(7). Nowhere in Scripture are we told to celebrate the birth of Yeshua, but we are commanded in Leviticus 23 to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. Thus, we began to lose our Jewish roots as pagan idolatry entered into the worship of the God of Israel.

 

[just-me]

The Constantine Creed
“I renounce all customs, rites, legalisms, unleavened breads and sacrifices of lambs of the Hebrews, and all the other feasts of the Hebrews, sacrifices, prayers, aspirations, purifications, sanctifications, and propitiations, and fasts and new moons, and Sabbaths, and superstitions, and hymns and chants, and observances and synagogues. absolutely everything Jewish, every Law, rite and custom and if afterwards I shall wish to deny and return to Jewish superstition, or shall be found eating with Jews, or feasting with them, or secretly conversing and condemning the Christian religion instead of openly confuting them and condemning their vain faith, then let the trembling of Cain and the leprosy of Gehazi cleave to me, as well as the legal punishments to which I acknowledge myself liable. And may I be an anathema in the world to come, and may my soul be set down with Satan and the devils.”

 

[MarcR]

I wasn't able to read the booklet yet, but hopefully I'll be able to later. Just wanted to mention that even from the introductory statement, and the passage from Ezekiel there's so much to be examined, I'm looking forward to reading it.

Ezekiel 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

A friend and I were looking at this very subject just this morning. A few things that we looked at involved Joseph, and the "foreshadows" involved with him, seeing that his name is on one of the sticks. (She and I are going to be looking at Judah soon too.)

Considering the examples of the two names written on the sticks reveals a lot just from that one verse.

A few points that we touched on were that Abraham was told that his descendant would go into captivity for 400 years and the nation that brought them into captivity would be judged and then they would be brought out with great substance.

So Joseph was the beginning of the fulfillment of that prophecy, but there's also a picture in just the account of Joseph's trails and his being set free. As a foreshadow, that would tie also to the Gentiles, "who were not a people."

Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

Galatians 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

We are grafted in by Christ.

As much as Joseph was the natural seed and descendant of Abraham, we also are heirs to the promise of being set free as well as the promises involved with being faithful. The natural picture of captivity in Egypt and the people being set free, and the heavenly picture of freedom in Christ, according to the promise. After the Hebrew people were set free, then God set His ways before them in the wilderness before they were brought into the promised land.

It's exciting searching these things out and finding connections from throughout the bible. There's always so much more to learn and to understand and to seek out with Christ. I'm sure the booklet will very sharpening, looking forward to reading it.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

This verse is often cited and rarely understood. (I am NOT AIMING at the post cited here).

If we married men look at our wives we will certainly realize that there are still differences between male and female.

That understanding can be very helpful in interpreting this verse. Anyone familiar with Messianic Jewish believers will see obvious cultural distinctions.

My point is that the verse is NOT trying to say that all differences have been eliminated!

The intent here is simply that, within the body of Christ, God does not show preference or favoritism to Jews over gentiles or men over women or workers over bosses. IT DOES NOT MEAN that God doesn't recognize any distinguishing characteristics!

 

[Grandpa]

Why can't people just choose one or the other? Judaism or Christianity. Why try to mix them all together and call it "holy" and "obedience"?

If you want to be a Christian be a full on Christian.

If you want to practice Judaism then fully practice Judaism.

If those practicing Judaism are going to be brought to jealousy because of Christians it will be because the Christians have the Holy Spirit and don't practice the same carnal commandments as Judaism does. Why would they be jealous of half christianity and half judaism?

Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

 

[Karraster]

Why can't people just choose one or the other? Judaism or Christianity. Why try to mix them all together and call it "holy" and "obedience"?

If you want to be a Christian be a full on Christian.

If you want to practice Judaism then fully practice Judaism.

If those practicing Judaism are going to be brought to jealousy because of Christians it will be because the Christians have the Holy Spirit and don't practice the same carnal commandments as Judaism does. Why would they be jealous of half christianity and half judaism?

Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

How about the choice to follow the Way Truth and Life? Who is doing what Messiah taught? That's the group I want in, however, it is certainly not Judaism or Christianity from what I have been able to observe.

 

[crossnote]

To be more narrow instead of broad consider Constantine and pope Gregory for beginners.

I thought you said the Gentile Church...not the Institution called Roman Catholicism.