Reincarnation

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slave

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Yes power inJesus Christ....I studied Psychology in College and they have a thing called Schools of thought. It basically is stating a position of logic as to why we are what we are as humans..Yet each school of thought contradicts the others in some way. Yet the logic behind each school of thought is very well based.

How could any one of those win over another if they conflict with each other and yet make complete sense>?

It's easy right ? make a combination of all of them to come to the one truth..

OK who is going to build that ultimate new school of thought? How many others in the room could use a equal logic to suggest a different percentage of additage to the finished product?

It's endless! It's the tic tac toe game of the mind. It's an endless non-conclusive state of affairs this knowledge and self analyzing stuff.
 

slave

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you see there are only two spirits that enslave us. God's or Satans.

That's it ...no humanism exists. so when you use this endless search for truth you are not neutral in you search..one of the two spirits is guiding you.

This is the facts of life. They are Axiom truths or Axiomatic truths. which means self evident. Believe in it or not it will perform it's truth anyway.

An example of that could be gravity.Go ahead find why Gravity can't exist in logic...but when you throw a pen in the air and it falls to earth your logic is rendered useless if you counter it's existence.

Hence self evident. The two spirits that rule our minds are also Axiom truths and It is a matter of belief in which one you follow.
 
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kaylagrl

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Ok, i will have to wait until faith arrives. I just don't get why God would call Himself a Son, that would indicate he has a Father but God is the Father, why the confusion?. I'll wait for faith like you say, in the meantime i'll keep on researching and seeking the truth, logic and reason has to play a big part or else anyone can claim anything they like, which appears to me that is the case, but i shall wait for faith to reveal the truth of the matter.
Please read anything by CS Lewis. A very intelligent man who came to the Lord after being unbeliever. He wrote Mere Christianity and one of the most known quotes from that is the following...

“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”
C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

Also read Evidence that Demands a verdict. If truth and logic are what you're looking for both of these reads will be of great help to you. Also Lee Strobels books are well written.A former atheist, like CS Lewis, his books are about his own search to find truth.
 
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kaylagrl

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#85
Think of this like a computer program...If you use logic which will be in the spirit of the world or Satan you will be influenced to not receive the right programing software...when you apply the faulty pre-conclusions all the computer will do is spit out wrong answers to every question because it does the application flawlessly, but the base info is wrong .

Garbage in garbage out. Let the spirit of God show you His ways by unveiling his understandings to you.Faith is the key to the right perspective not knowledge!

Some people are more analytical and I think thats ok.God doesnt mind us digging deeper and asking questions.Faith comes when one finds the truth and not everyone comes by it the same way.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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1 Corinthians 15:35-58

Our resurrected bodies are not the same as our original bodies
we do not relive our lives here on earth as humans (nor as animals).
We are raised with new, different bodies for eternal life with God
 
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Ok, i will have to wait until faith arrives. I just don't get why God would call Himself a Son, that would indicate he has a Father but God is the Father, why the confusion?. I'll wait for faith like you say, in the meantime i'll keep on researching and seeking the truth, logic and reason has to play a big part or else anyone can claim anything they like, which appears to me that is the case, but i shall wait for faith to reveal the truth of the matter.
Faith does not arrive like you describe. Jesus is a love song, he is an embrace, he is an answer to the question, do I matter, why am I so alone?

It sounds like you have never asked these questions or are looking for this answer. Until love and our failure to love is kindled in your heart, there is little to get right in Jesus's message. It is this understanding and love that spoke to me out of the gospels, the epistles, and Gods law. It is why I came back for more, and why Jesus is unique.
 
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Has anyone ever got the feeling, that in the Bible, the word "resurrection" is just another meaning for reincarnation?
I know all the worlds faiths have many things in common, because of divine influence. There are billions of people in the East who follow reincarnation. I think one of the uniting things we can do to our societies is to recognize that, reincarnation is real.

I don't think all souls just go straight to heaven or hell..Maybe for a time, maybe not. But some are bound to keep on repeating that cycle until they can find some good...God would not of forsaken china, etc with their lack of Christ if some aspects of their beliefs were not true..

What do you guys think?

there are passages ofc to back me up- mostly when Jesus calls out John the Baptist for being the reincarnated Elijah.
While I believe we have thoroughly warped the entire concept of Hell with our fire & brimstone fear-mongering, I really don't see global (generalized) reincarnation as Biblical.
 

Jackson123

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I heard somebody said, reincarnation is a lie, the devil tell you there will be second chance. It make you less prepare and not all out to pursue heaven.

If you not make it in this life, there will be another chance in another life.
 
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Tintin

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The thing is, I'm fairly analytical too, but the difference is, that until your eyes have been opened by the Holy Spirit, you won't be able to accept God's truth, because you'll be looking at it through the eyes of human reasoning. Like I said before, there's nothing wrong with that up to a point (I even encourage such things), but reason will only get you so far, divine revelation (from God) will take you the rest of the way.

The Christian faith can be argued very easily by way of history and the sciences (eg. creation, design, the Fall, the Great Flood, the tower of Babel, Jesus being a real man), but the faith aspect must come into play to accept and believe in the virgin birth, Jesus being God's Son, but also God and Christ's sacrifice and resurrection etc. I for one still don't fully understand such things, and I've been a Christian for as long as I can remember. I can't explain the scientific reasoning behind such things. But I accept them and believe them. I think it's important to be able to say, "God, I don't understand all of these things, but I believe them. I believe them because you revealed them in your Word (the Bible) and your Word is truth. You are Truth. Help me to believe despite my human reasoning etc. Thank you." That's not silly or a cop-out, that's faith. Faith is a reliance on God. If that's a crutch, give me two!
 
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Lynx

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To the OP: If I had to live through ANOTHER life I don't think I could take it. I'm not terribly depressed in this life - I'm actually enjoying it a bit - but I do have to work to survive and it's more than a bit of a bother. If I have to go around this wheel more than once I want off.

If I die and find out I just get reincarnated again, I'm going to kill myself as soon as I grow up enough to hold a knife steady.

On a side note, this reminds me (indirectly) of something said at a funeral. The deceased was someone who was always cooking something, and the preacher said, "She's already up in heaven making cookies for the angels." My pastor's wife (who is famous for her red velvet cake) leaned over and whispered to her husband, "Oh no, does that mean I'm gonna have to bake MORE cakes when I get there?" :p
 

Jackson123

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to my knowledge, Buddha believe if you doing good, the next life will be better status.

Say a human doing bad. the next life may be a monkey.

it mean, if criminal rate going up, we expect more monkey or other animal than human.

Seem to me statistic show other way.

Human population increase, animal population decrease.
 
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to my knowledge, Buddha believe if you doing good, the next life will be better status.

Say a human doing bad. the next life may be a monkey.

it mean, if criminal rate going up, we expect more monkey or other animal than human.

Seem to me statistic show other way.

Human population increase, animal population decrease.
Lol funny enough I have thought that one before.
 
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Galahad

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Has anyone ever got the feeling, that in the Bible, the word "resurrection" is just another meaning for reincarnation?
I know all the worlds faiths have many things in common, because of divine influence. There are billions of people in the East who follow reincarnation. I think one of the uniting things we can do to our societies is to recognize that, reincarnation is real.

I don't think all souls just go straight to heaven or hell..Maybe for a time, maybe not. But some are bound to keep on repeating that cycle until they can find some good...God would not of forsaken china, etc with their lack of Christ if some aspects of their beliefs were not true..

What do you guys think?

there are passages ofc to back me up- mostly when Jesus calls out John the Baptist for being the reincarnated Elijah.
This is what happens to people who believe in reincarnation after they die...

 
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Tintin

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to my knowledge, Buddha believe if you doing good, the next life will be better status.

Say a human doing bad. the next life may be a monkey.

it mean, if criminal rate going up, we expect more monkey or other animal than human.

Seem to me statistic show other way.

Human population increase, animal population decrease.
I agree with you that reincarnation is a load of bollocks, but your reasoning for believing such things is rather 'obtuse'.
 
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Galahad

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Has anyone ever got the feeling, that in the Bible, the word "resurrection" is just another meaning for reincarnation?
I know all the worlds faiths have many things in common, because of divine influence. There are billions of people in the East who follow reincarnation. I think one of the uniting things we can do to our societies is to recognize that, reincarnation is real.

I don't think all souls just go straight to heaven or hell..Maybe for a time, maybe not. But some are bound to keep on repeating that cycle until they can find some good...God would not of forsaken china, etc with their lack of Christ if some aspects of their beliefs were not true..

What do you guys think?

there are passages ofc to back me up- mostly when Jesus calls out John the Baptist for being the reincarnated Elijah.
Reincarnation
Is that regurgitated milk?
 
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jaybird88

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old thread but this is always an interesting subject. i didnt see anyone post the John 9 passage

John 9 1-2
As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

how would the blind guy have committed a sin before his birth?
 

miknik5

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Has anyone ever got the feeling, that in the Bible, the word "resurrection" is just another meaning for reincarnation?
I know all the worlds faiths have many things in common, because of divine influence. There are billions of people in the East who follow reincarnation. I think one of the uniting things we can do to our societies is to recognize that, reincarnation is real.

I don't think all souls just go straight to heaven or hell..Maybe for a time, maybe not. But some are bound to keep on repeating that cycle until they can find some good...God would not of forsaken china, etc with their lack of Christ if some aspects of their beliefs were not true..

What do you guys think?

there are passages ofc to back me up- mostly when Jesus calls out John the Baptist for being the reincarnated Elijah.
NOPE
Woth a capital

N. O. P. E.
 

miknik5

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GOD doesnt recycle souls

And with the story of Elijah, these always going to be an "Elisha" who speaks without understanding at first until THE "MANTLE" is passed
 
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sevenseas

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this OLD thread is what has been reincarnated LOL!