Reincarnation

DedZed · Mar 30, 2015

Has anyone ever got the feeling, that in the Bible, the word "resurrection" is just another meaning for reincarnation?
I know all the worlds faiths have many things in common, because of divine influence. There are billions of people in the East who follow reincarnation. I think one of the uniting things we can do to our societies is to recognize that, reincarnation is real.

I don't think all souls just go straight to heaven or hell..Maybe for a time, maybe not. But some are bound to keep on repeating that cycle until they can find some good...God would not of forsaken china, etc with their lack of Christ if some aspects of their beliefs were not true..

What do you guys think?

there are passages ofc to back me up- mostly when Jesus calls out John the Baptist for being the reincarnated Elijah.

Ugly · Mar 30, 2015

Hebrews 9:27 It is appointed once for a man to die, then to judgment.

Just because you find the concept of hell distasteful doesn't mean we get to reinterpret words to make concepts more 'friendly'. Resurrect and reincarnate have two meanings and are not ever interchangeable.

I'm guessing you aren't truly a Christian, just trying to subtly mix in some non-biblical ideas from your new age/eastern beliefs. The two teachings are incompatible.

DedZed · Mar 30, 2015

Ugly said:

Christ is my Lord and Savior.

I'm a Christian.

Let me add that I still believe all souls get judged, and I believe in judgement day. I'm not trying to escape anything.

GuessWho · Mar 30, 2015

Resurrection is not the same with reincarnation.

Maybe the religions of the world have got right some aspects of God, of His revelation, but I think that it is not enough and I believe that they (the religions) are of demonic influence. Only Jesus Christ saves and I leave the fate of those from China in His hands and trust in His love, wisdom, justice and holiness.

DedZed · Mar 30, 2015

GuessWho said:

some I agree with..just saying- as Christians we have a lot to learn from the east. Christianity didn't get started in martin luthers basement or in Rome...Oldest church is in Armenia even.

How do you think Jesus's second coming is then? You realize he had/has to become a person again, and grow up....

Reincarnation...

I think a lot of these errors are due to the king james bible. When someone thinks of resurrection they think of a zombie climbing out of a graveyard and that's too crazy for me.

GuessWho · Mar 30, 2015

DedZed said:

I agree...but christianity is sort of descending from the jewish religion, not from the buddhist or hindu religion.

DedZed said:

...no. Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead and ascended to heaven with a transfigured body. He does not need to reincarnate.

DedZed said:

Well, I never thought of resurrection in this way. Perhaps this way of seeing resurrection has to do with the American culture (horror movies) and not with King James Bible.

Angela53510 · Mar 30, 2015

Reincarnation is eastern mysticism with a little bit of Egyptian religion thrown in. It has NOTHING to do with the resurrection.

I have studied the mystery religions, and reincarnation makes no sense whatsoever for the Christian. Why would God make us have a "do over" when the plan has always been for a final Judgment Day?

Because if you get stuck constantly having to live more lives, what are you trying to do? Live better? That is karma, and is works salvation. It means you have to keep trying to earn your way into heaven.

Water and oil here. You are either saved by grace to eternal life, or you are caught on the Wheel of Karma, trying to get it right. The Bible is clear we cannot get it right, no matter how many lives we have to suffer through. That is why Jesus died on the cross for us.

And Jesus led the way, and was resurrected. He did not have to live another life, but rather is the first fruits of God's plan for eternity for us.

"But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead." 1 Cor. 15:20-21

"Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, [SUP]26 [/SUP]and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” John 11:25-26

"concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh [SUP]4 [/SUP]and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord," Romans 1:3-4

DedZed · Mar 30, 2015

Judaism is a semetic and eastern religion. Many Jews were open to the idea of reincarnation as Israel was a huge hub for people from the East.

King James made a church just so he can get a divorce so i'm not gonna bother with all the errors of translation and truth and heart in that book .

GuessWho · Mar 30, 2015

DedZed said:

What do you base this on? I mean that the Jews were open to the idea of reincarnation.

DedZed · Mar 30, 2015

GuessWho said:

Judaism and Reincarnation - First Steps

The Kabbalah

GuessWho · Mar 30, 2015

I think I found what you base your belief on. When Jesus Christ asks his disciples "who do people say I am?". And some say Elijah, others Jeremiah.

DedZed · Mar 30, 2015

GuessWho said:

No , Matthew 11:14

John the Baptist was Elijah

GuessWho · Mar 30, 2015

DedZed said:

Given that Elijah was never believed to have died I think the verse from Matthew refer to something else...

Angela53510 · Mar 30, 2015

DedZed said:

This is esoteric and a mystery religion, not even accepted by most mainstream Jews. The article even says that the Kabbalah is "esoteric."

"Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long agesbut has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—" Romans 16:25-26

The gospel is NOT hidden to those who believe. There is no need to go deeper and interpretations getting weirder. Have you ever looked at the Talmud? Pure speculation and so far from the actual Biblical text as to render it useless and wrong.

"Reincarnation does not imply pre-determination. It is, rather, an opportunity for rectification and soul-perfection."

The above quote is from the article. Soul perfection is an insidious doctrine, based on works. It means taking more time to get right with God, to perfect yourself.

This is diametrically opposed to the gospel. It is Jesus who is perfect, and the Holy Spirit working within us to "get it right" when we are resurrected to be with Christ on Judgment Day.

I also have the feeling that you are not really interested in what people have to say here, except to lead them to spurious websites that preach heresy. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Are you here to discuss and learn, or just to try and lead believers astray with your false doctrine??

GodIsSalvation · Mar 30, 2015

On the surface of it it would seem similar but there's a big difference.

Reincarnation meaneth you gotta come back to this terrible earth and to come back in a mortal form again.
Resurrection meaneth you live forever and in an immortal form.

One should also note that in the false eastern religions reincarnation is actually a punishment, and the goal of the demonic religions of the east is what they call nirvana, which to kill the soul to stop reincarnation. It is quite obvious from that alone that the false eastern religions are the product of demons.

As where in the true religion everyone is going to be resurrected, thus one hopes for the grace of the almighty God that they may live forever in his kingdom.

Angela53510 · Mar 30, 2015

"But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law and written in the Prophets,[SUP]15 [/SUP]having a hope in God, which these men themselves accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust. [SUP]16 [/SUP]So I always take pains to have a clear conscience toward both God and man." Acts 24:14-16

DedZed · Mar 30, 2015

Angela53510 said:

This is esoteric and a mystery religion, not even accepted by most mainstream Jews. The article even says that the Kabbalah is "esoteric."

"Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long agesbut has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—" Romans 16:25-26

The gospel is NOT hidden to those who believe. There is no need to go deeper and interpretations getting weirder. Have you ever looked at the Talmud? Pure speculation and so far from the actual Biblical text as to render it useless and wrong.

"Reincarnation does not imply pre-determination. It is, rather, an opportunity for rectification and soul-perfection."

The above quote is from the article. Soul perfection is an insidious doctrine, based on works. It means taking more time to get right with God, to perfect yourself.

This is diametrically opposed to the gospel. It is Jesus who is perfect, and the Holy Spirit working within us to "get it right" when we are resurrected to be with Christ on Judgment Day.

I also have the feeling that you are not really interested in what people have to say here, except to lead them to spurious websites that preach heresy. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Are you here to discuss and learn, or just to try and lead believers astray with your false doctrine??

First of all , Kabbalistic works and study have long been a part of Judaism and many jews incorporate it into their teachings. Yes- it is not all good and some of it is too far fetched and mystical or hard to interpret, like magic, etc.
Mysticism is fake and dark no doubt.
Of course I am interested what people have to say. I'm here to discuss, teach, and learn.

Angela53510 · Mar 30, 2015

DedZed said:

If you are truly here to learn, then my suggestion is to stick to the Bible. This is the BIBLE discussion forum, not the weird and esoteric links to the Kabbalah and other mystery religions.

The mystery is Christ crucified and raised from the dead. The firstfruits of all who believe. That means Christ led the way into eternity by his perfect life, death and resurrection.

We do NOT need to keep repeating our life to become perfected. Rather, the Holy Spirit working within us transforms and changes us! On that final day, we will be gloried and no longer subject to sin or decay. That is the promise. Not endless turns on the wheel of karma or perfecting ourselves in this life.

DedZed · Mar 30, 2015

Angela53510 said:

That's the thing. I'm not saying you do. You forget I am a Christian. I don't think all people have to be reborn. I think some people do though, and not all are bad. I believe many have been reborn, because I believe in a near judgement day...My knowledge is through lots of study and Hebrews 13:2, but I love to learn more.

The Book of Enoch is one such Kabbalstic work I think some people say, which aught to be canon btw. I don't understand why Christians must only read the English Bible?

Angela53510 · Mar 30, 2015

DedZed said:

I read the Bible in Greek for the New Testament, and Hebrew for the Old Testament and French for the whole Bible. I'm just starting to read the New Testament in German, as I study the language. I get enough from the 66 books of the Bible, I really don't need to read the rest, although for Seminary we were required to read the Apocrypha, and I have read some of the "extra" books popular in the world today. I read them to find out for myself how false they were, especially when compared with the canon.

So you think that Judgment Day does not apply to non-believers? That they get more chances to try and work things out with God?

That is contrary to everything the Bible says.

My suggestion is that you need to sit down and read the Bible. In English, if that is the only language you understand. God explains it all out in his Word.

And I find it hard to believe a Christian could have such bad theology regarding the Resurrection. Everything you have posted indicates you have acquired your heresy through reading internet sites, not the Bible. You have yet to post a single Bible verse to support your stance.

As for the word "resurrection" it is ἀνάστασις or anastasis in the Greek. If you do a word search for "resurrection" in the New Testament, you will find no support at all for the heresy that resurrection is the same as reincarnation. In any language!

"Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? [SUP]13 [/SUP]But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. [SUP]15 [/SUP]We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. [SUP]19 [/SUP]If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.[SUP]20 [/SUP]But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power." 1 Cor. 15:12-24

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