Lay aside every weight and run the race with endurance

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Mooky

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[video=youtube;0elhYaESJkY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0elhYaESJkY#t=97[/video]
 
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John Piper is a faith only Calvinist. That may explain why he did not spend much time on the word "run". The Christian race cannot be finished, much less won, without doing the work of running, [see also 1 Cor 9:24-27]. Calvinists have told me that running is not part of salvation per Rom 9:16.
 
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psychomom

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John Piper is a faith only Calvinist. That may explain why he did not spend much time on the word "run". The Christian race cannot be finished, much less won, without doing the work of running, [see also 1 Cor 9:24-27]. Calvinists have told me that running is not part of salvation per Rom 9:16.
seriously?!

did you hear it? at all?
 
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[video=youtube;0elhYaESJkY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0elhYaESJkY#t=97[/video]
This was awesome! Praise God, a decent video!
 
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3Scoreand10

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What part did I miss? What did he say about "running"?
If you keep running to gain eternal life, you are going to be very very tired when you stand before Jesus and he says "depart from me , I never knew you"
 

maxwel

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John Piper is a faith only Calvinist. That may explain why he did not spend much time on the word "run". The Christian race cannot be finished, much less won, without doing the work of running, [see also 1 Cor 9:24-27]. Calvinists have told me that running is not part of salvation per Rom 9:16.
The ancient world was very immersed in the Olympic Games, much like the modern world is today.
In the New Testament there are many sports metaphors used to teach us one thing or another about the Christian life.

Some of those metaphors are running, wrestling, and boxing.

If you believe you are running your way to heaven, then you must also believe you are BOXING your way to heaven.
POW!
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The reality is, these verses have nothing to do with salvation, but rather they are just metaphors teaching us various life principles.

People really just need to take a deep breath and relax.
 

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Running our race arises from Eph 2:10.

After we receive Salvation, God, for our benefit, permits us to be the instrument through which He does His work.

The only ability God expects from us is availability.

Running our race is our willingness and our decision to put God's agenda above our own; and to allow God to use us for His work and His glory.
 

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Great video, and the right length, for once!

Not sure about some people in this thread, but then, I guess it is to be expected, with such bad theology they are going to see evil in every video.
 
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If you keep running to gain eternal life, you are going to be very very tired when you stand before Jesus and he says "depart from me , I never knew you"

Salvation requires ones willing and running....with running being a work.
 
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The ancient world was very immersed in the Olympic Games, much like the modern world is today.
In the New Testament there are many sports metaphors used to teach us one thing or another about the Christian life.

Some of those metaphors are running, wrestling, and boxing.

If you believe you are running your way to heaven, then you must also believe you are BOXING your way to heaven.
POW!
: )
The reality is, these verses have nothing to do with salvation, but rather they are just metaphors teaching us various life principles.

People really just need to take a deep breath and relax.
The passages about the Christian running a race certainly has everything to do with salvation.

Paul said to run that ye may obtain. Paul is using a race to describe the Christian life. The Christian that quits running will not obtain the prize of an incorruptible crown but become a castaway. The Christian that quits running will come up short, Heb 4:1.
 
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Running our race arises from Eph 2:10.

After we receive Salvation, God, for our benefit, permits us to be the instrument through which He does His work.

The only ability God expects from us is availability.

Running our race is our willingness and our decision to put God's agenda above our own; and to allow God to use us for His work and His glory.
Willing and running are necessary to be saved and remain saved.

" And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Rev 2
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God Jn 7

A lost sinner must have the will to want to be saved. Then he must run/do obedient works in order to be saved, Heb 5:9.

Calvinists are wrong about Rom 9:16.
 
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More watered down blood being promoted here yet again?.......
In the case of Cornelius what came first the Holy Spirit baptism or water baptism?
How about brother Paul what came first?
Do you also struggle with the question what came first the chicken or the egg?.....lol
 
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[video=youtube;0elhYaESJkY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0elhYaESJkY#t=97[/video]
If we are going to run the race with patience, it has to be with the grace of God. If we are going to labor it will have to be according to the grace of God that labors in us. We can lay aside every weight and sin, obey every commandment, but if we do so without the grace of God it profits absolutely nothing. God chooses the weak and weakness to reveal the strength of His grace in us, so that His strength is made perfect in weakness. It is always, not I but Christ who lives in me. I am to live by the faith of the Son of God who died and gave his life for me. It is not God's race unless we take up a cross, deny ourselves and follow Christ by every word of God through the Spirit.

It is easy to give up sin and lay aside those weights just through disciple, because we see what they do to us, how people perceive them or how they hinder us, not just from running a race but in other endeavors of life. That does not make us spiritual nor does it reveal we are abiding in the word and grace of the will of God. There are many evangelicals who have overcome much in these areas but do not know or grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ. They have a ministry and do a work but when grace is left out of that work their labor is in vain. They engage in a work, but for some they have left their first love and must go back and do the first work of grace. That means to never withhold grace and to continually minister grace (super-abundantly and over-abounding) and that will become the race that we run with patience. We let patience have its perfect work that we may be perfect, wanting nothing.

We have a ministry of grace. We are ambassadors of the grace of life. We are to let no corrupt communication proceed from our moth but that which ministers grace to the hearer. This is the Father's will that must be done and not just an evangelical work and running with that. Jesus came by grace and truth and of His fulness have we all received, GRACE for GRACE. To be a minister of grace is to not condemn or judge others for God sent his Son not to judge but to give life, not to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved.
 

tribesman

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John Piper's conditionalism is well documented. It is not very recommended for those who hold to the doctrines of grace.
 
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DesiredHaven

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John Piper's conditionalism is well documented. It is not very recommended for those who hold to the doctrines of grace.
What part of the video is this conditionalism stuff?

Or is any IF considered a conditionalism?

Like where would Jesus point out in the video what is called a conditional bad on this guys video?
 

tribesman

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What part of the video is this conditionalism stuff?

Or is any IF considered a conditionalism?

Like where would Jesus point out in the video what is called a conditional bad on this guys video?
It's not about the video which just is 3 mins plus. Nothing said about conditionalism there, but the teachings of Piper elsewhere are evident his beliefs. If you are really interested, just search it out. It's facts.
 
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DesiredHaven

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It's not about the video which just is 3 mins plus. Nothing said about conditionalism there, but the teachings of Piper elsewhere are evident his beliefs. If you are really interested, just search it out. It's facts.
I wouldnt know what a conditionalism is to find it, I cant find any of the ISMS as people call them theres just so many of them and the list names for ISMS grows everytime I hear a new one.

ConditionalISM is new to my ears, never heard of it.

Who sits down and makes up these ISM names for people? LOL

Im out of the ISM's loop
 

tribesman

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I wouldnt know what a conditionalism is to find it, I cant find any of the ISMS as people call them theres just so many of them and the list names for ISMS grows everytime I hear a new one.

ConditionalISM is new to my ears, never heard of it.

Who sits down and makes up these ISM names for people? LOL

Im out of the ISM's loop
Well, never mind then lol. I was primarily addressing those of us who are reformed, or "calvinists". Piper's teachings have some issues there. In general I could say like this then, if one wishes to encourage moving onwards in their faith it must always be stressed that it's through grace that any progress happens. It must always be done on the clear premise that believers are already completely justified before God and ever so safe and secure in that position.