Does God change?

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Gos does not change as for the law can you keep it? If you could their is no need for the cross and Christ died in vain.
 
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It makes no matter, our leaders follow the sway of the people. If we want gays then we will have gays, If we want 6 moth abortion we have it and vote for those who promote it. Whether democrat or republican. The fact is we want to party and have no consequence. God is saying, if that's what you want then I will give it to you. I will remove my hand and your schools will get shot up. Your enemies will rule over you. I will give you over to a debased mind. Because that is what you want and reject me. Read the OT and say different.
 
Dec 12, 2013
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Brother DCon, Willie-T said it may appear that way, he didn't say God was a murderer. :)
Thanks.....I didn't notice Willie saying that it may appear that way, but rather that the one asking a question wanted to know why it appears that way......thanks though and if I misunderstood WILLIE then I apologize openly to WILLIE....

I think the OP was asking why does He appear to change in the Bible.

A blood thirsty killer in much of the OT
Loving and non violent in the NT (Jesus)
And back to a murdering slaughterer in the book of Revelation.

And it is a very good and valid question.
 
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Oh I did read it...like 5 times bro.
No, I didn't say to just read it. I said to be OBSERVANT and read it. Doing that, you would have noticed the word "appears".

And there is no way anyone not trying to explain away the literally hundreds of thousands of people killed in the OT could ever say that whole section doesn't make God appear, to an un-indoctrinated reader, to be anything but a very violent butcher.

Remember, the OP is not a Theologian who thinks he has all the answers.... He was a normal person looking at page after page of horrible bloodshed of sometimes apparently innocent people...... wondering "What the heck?"

And the along comes Jesus, totally opposed to any sort of vindictive violent bloodshed.... all the while saying , "If you've seen me, you've seen the father.... we are one and the same."

Then, Wham!, along comes Revelation. And do I have to say a word about all the slaughter in that book?

So, "YES", it certainly DOES appear that God changes back and forth like a schizophrenic chameleon.

And I think it is a perfectly good and valid question for any new reader of the Bible to ask about.

And we sure better be able to give them a far better answer than something lame like, "He's God, so anything He chooses to do can be nothing but good and just."
 
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No, I didn't say to just read it. I said to be OBSERVANT and read it. Doing that, you would have noticed the word "appears".

And there is no way anyone not trying to explain away the literally hundreds of thousands of people killed in the OT could ever say that whole section doesn't make God appear, to an un-indoctrinated reader, to be anything but a very violent butcher.

Remember, the OP is not a Theologian who thinks he has all the answers.... He was a normal person looking at page after page of horrible bloodshed of sometimes apparently innocent people...... wondering "What the heck?"

And the along comes Jesus, totally opposed to any sort of vindictive violent bloodshed.... all the while saying , "If you've seen me, you've seen the father.... we are one and the same."

Then, Wham!, along comes Revelation. And do I have to say a word about all the slaughter in that book?

So, "YES", it certainly DOES appear that God changes back and forth like a schizophrenic chameleon.

And I think it is a perfectly good and valid question for any new reader of the Bible to ask about.

And we sure better be able to give them a far better answer than something lame like, "He's God, so anything He chooses to do can be nothing but good and just."
Post 28.....
 
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Thanks.....I didn't notice Willie saying that it may appear that way, but rather that the one asking a question wanted to know why it appears that way......thanks though and if I misunderstood WILLIE then I apologize openly to WILLIE....

I think the OP was asking why does He appear to change in the Bible.

A blood thirsty killer in much of the OT
Loving and non violent in the NT (Jesus)
And back to a murdering slaughterer in the book of Revelation.

And it is a very good and valid question.
Apologies are not necessary. Just think about who is writing, and what you feel you know about them, and ask yourself if you might be reading something into what they said that really may not be there.
 
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Yes, I saw #28... But I was composing that long post when you posted it. We're cool........ Right?
 

MarcR

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Oh I did read it...like 5 times bro.
I think that Willie-T is attributing those views to the OP

Whether the OP actually said or implied them is an open question.
 
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Skgrim

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So your saying its impossible not to murder someone, to steal from someone, to lie , to want another person wife or husband, to have idols and worship another God, to keep Gods Sabbath. I don't believe that we make choices in life yes it's hard but not impossible
 
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David wrote "I how I live the law!
It is in my meditation all the day"
Psalms 119:97 he learned to apply it in every situation in life.
V98) thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies
V105) thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path"
So David did keep the ten Commandments
Psalms 104:7
 

Dan58

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I have more than one friend who loves the God of the new testament, but hates the old testament God, because one appears mean and the other is nice. A simple example they give is that the OT God ordered adulterers stoned, while Jesus intervened to prevent the adulteress from being stoned (John 8).

No, God has not changed, his only begotten son just stepped-up to the plate to intervene for us. "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission" (Hebrews 9:22)
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For if you make any claim to being a Christian, remember that Jesus Christ , the founder of Christianity, said that you should live by EVERY word of God (Matt. 4:4)
And with God's help--you must walk according to the commandments of Almighty God if you would enter into eternal life ( Matt. 19:17)
 
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Kaycie

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God does not change, but it is confusing to some why He did things physically in the old testament, and spiritually in the new testament. This is like saying God planned for Moses to part the sea, so since God does not change He planned for Joseph, David, and John the Baptist to also part the sea. Just because God does things differently in different times, with different people, does not mean His personality changed.