God's Hatred Displayed On Good Friday

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WebersHome

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At one time; God loved all the people who are now in hell; but not anymore.
They're damned; and no longer get any sympathy.

†. Isa 13:9 . . See, the day of the Lord is coming-- a cruel day, with wrath
and fierce anger

If people have any doubts about the cruelty, the wrath, and the fierce anger
of God; all they have to do is look at what was left of Christ when those
three hours of inky darkness lifted.

The Romans whipped and pummeled Christ to within an inch of his life,
slapped him around, crowned him with thorns, and drove nails into his palms
and his feet. But that was child's play compared to what God did to him. By
the time those hours of darkness lifted; Christ's own mother would have
trouble recognizing him were he not staked up on that cross.

†. Isa 52:14-15 . . there were many who were appalled at him-- his
appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred
beyond human likeness

If God would do that to a child of His own, think what He has in store for
outsiders who poo-poo the importance of what took place there that day and
mock His son and make remarks about him.

†. Heb 10:29-30 . .Think how much more terrible the punishment will be for
those who have trampled on the Son of God and have treated the blood of
the covenant as if it were common and unholy. Such people have insulted
and enraged the Holy Spirit who brings God's mercy to his people. For we
know the one who said: I will take vengeance. I will repay those who
deserve it.

Well . . their punishment isn't all that hard to guess is it? Fair's fair. At the
very least, they will be beaten and bloodied beyond recognition, same as he
was.

Did the walker on water, the controller of weather, mender of paralysis and
withered limbs, maker of wine from water; and raiser of the dead; feel any
pain during his ordeal? Yes.

†. Isa 53:10 . . It was Yhvh's will to crush him and cause him to suffer
(some versions say: put him to grief)

I should think that the word "suffer" says it all.

†. Acts 1:3 . . He showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible
proofs

The Greek word for "passion" is pascho (pas'-kho) which means: to
experience a sensation or impression (usually painful)

The below is an impassioned plea heard from the cross.

†. Matt 27:46 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Here it is again; this time with some parts that were missing.

†. Ps 22:1 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so
far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

The Hebrew word for "roaring" is sheagah (sheh-aw-gaw') which means: a
rumbling or moan. In other words: people standing around the cross that
day during those three hours of inky dark couldn't see anything, but they
could sure hear: and what they heard were the dreadful cries of a man in
extreme discomfort.

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God is love. Happy Easter to you.
 

tribesman

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At one time; God loved all the people who are now in hell; but not anymore.
They're damned; and no longer get any sympathy...
I am less sure about that.

Mal.1

[1] The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
[2] I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
[3] And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
[4] Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.
Rom.9

[6] Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
[9] For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
[10] And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
[11] ( For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )
[12] It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
[13] As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
 
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Good friday showed Gods love to the world. That he would send his wrath on his son in those three hours, to pay for our redemption proves Gods true love for all his creation.
 

Blain

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At one time; God loved all the people who are now in hell; but not anymore.
They're damned; and no longer get any sympathy.

†. Isa 13:9 . . See, the day of the Lord is coming-- a cruel day, with wrath
and fierce anger

If people have any doubts about the cruelty, the wrath, and the fierce anger
of God; all they have to do is look at what was left of Christ when those
three hours of inky darkness lifted.

The Romans whipped and pummeled Christ to within an inch of his life,
slapped him around, crowned him with thorns, and drove nails into his palms
and his feet. But that was child's play compared to what God did to him. By
the time those hours of darkness lifted; Christ's own mother would have
trouble recognizing him were he not staked up on that cross.

†. Isa 52:14-15 . . there were many who were appalled at him-- his
appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred
beyond human likeness

If God would do that to a child of His own, think what He has in store for
outsiders who poo-poo the importance of what took place there that day and
mock His son and make remarks about him.

†. Heb 10:29-30 . .Think how much more terrible the punishment will be for
those who have trampled on the Son of God and have treated the blood of
the covenant as if it were common and unholy. Such people have insulted
and enraged the Holy Spirit who brings God's mercy to his people. For we
know the one who said: I will take vengeance. I will repay those who
deserve it.

Well . . their punishment isn't all that hard to guess is it? Fair's fair. At the
very least, they will be beaten and bloodied beyond recognition, same as he
was.

Did the walker on water, the controller of weather, mender of paralysis and
withered limbs, maker of wine from water; and raiser of the dead; feel any
pain during his ordeal? Yes.

†. Isa 53:10 . . It was Yhvh's will to crush him and cause him to suffer
(some versions say: put him to grief)

I should think that the word "suffer" says it all.

†. Acts 1:3 . . He showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible
proofs

The Greek word for "passion" is pascho (pas'-kho) which means: to
experience a sensation or impression (usually painful)

The below is an impassioned plea heard from the cross.

†. Matt 27:46 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Here it is again; this time with some parts that were missing.

†. Ps 22:1 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so
far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

The Hebrew word for "roaring" is sheagah (sheh-aw-gaw') which means: a
rumbling or moan. In other words: people standing around the cross that
day during those three hours of inky dark couldn't see anything, but they
could sure hear: and what they heard were the dreadful cries of a man in
extreme discomfort.

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I didn't expect a thread like this on a happy day like today
 
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FridaysChild

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I didn't expect a thread like this on a happy day like today
I have to agree, it might have its place another time, but not today.
The Father's wrath fell on His Son who willing gave His life for us. But we're not celebrating that as much as we are grateful for the Son who took our place. It's through His sacrifice that we may find a way back to the Father but without the resurrection we'd still be standing there at the Cross where He died.

Today is a day of rejoicing for the complete victory. He died and He rose.

He is Risen. He is risen indeed!

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blue_ladybug

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I don't think God's wrath fell upon Jesus, as much as it did all the sinners in the world at that time. After all, Jesus was God in human form, so what God did to Jesus, he did to himself.
 

WebersHome

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I didn't expect a thread like this on a happy day like today
I agree that Easter is a happy day. But Good Friday is a horse of another
color. Perhaps it would have been better had I posted this thread on the 3rd
instead of the 5th.

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I don't think God's wrath fell upon Jesus, as much as it did all the sinners in the world at that time. After all, Jesus was God in human form, so what God did to Jesus, he did to himself.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness
Romans 1:18

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Romans 5:9 KJV

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Ephesians 5:6

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:21

Jesus is God but He is also His own person of the Godhead. God the Son.

He is the final and full sacrifice so no more blood sacrifices need to be done. "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." Hebrews 10:4

Jesus, who knew no sin, became sin so that the wrath of God which would have been against all ungodliness and unrighteousness men can now be appeased IF we accept the sacrifice of Christ. We deserved that wrath but Christ took it for us. He suffered it for us. Jesus was full flesh and fully God and in Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead. He offered Himself up freely as a sacrifice by God to God for mankind.

As parents, when and if we spank our children we might say, "this is gonna hurt me worse that it hurts you" because no true loving parent enjoys bringing pain to their child. Yet they know it will bring good fruit if that discipline is applied properly. The child is a part of the parent, having come from them, but they are two different persons. I imagine the Father suffered a great headache watching His only Son die on the Cross and yet He knew He would raise His Son. The Son was begotten of the Father but they are two different persons of the Godhead. Theirs is a mystery we cannot explain this side of heaven - God the Father. God the Son. God the Holy Spirit. But the Spirit bears witness to my spirit that this is Truth as He does to all who are in Christ.


your quote
: "Jesus was God in human form, so what God did to Jesus, he did to himself." - I'm trying to wrap my thoughts around this. Please explain with scripture, if you would, so I see what your thoughts were bouncing from.
 
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At one time; God loved all the people who are now in hell; but not anymore.
They're damned; and no longer get any sympathy.

†. Isa 13:9 . . See, the day of the Lord is coming-- a cruel day, with wrath
and fierce anger

If people have any doubts about the cruelty, the wrath, and the fierce anger
of God; all they have to do is look at what was left of Christ when those
three hours of inky darkness lifted.

The Romans whipped and pummeled Christ to within an inch of his life,
slapped him around, crowned him with thorns, and drove nails into his palms
and his feet. But that was child's play compared to what God did to him. By
the time those hours of darkness lifted; Christ's own mother would have
trouble recognizing him were he not staked up on that cross.

†. Isa 52:14-15 . . there were many who were appalled at him-- his
appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred
beyond human likeness

If God would do that to a child of His own, think what He has in store for
outsiders who poo-poo the importance of what took place there that day and
mock His son and make remarks about him.

†. Heb 10:29-30 . .Think how much more terrible the punishment will be for
those who have trampled on the Son of God and have treated the blood of
the covenant as if it were common and unholy. Such people have insulted
and enraged the Holy Spirit who brings God's mercy to his people. For we
know the one who said: I will take vengeance. I will repay those who
deserve it.

Well . . their punishment isn't all that hard to guess is it? Fair's fair. At the
very least, they will be beaten and bloodied beyond recognition, same as he
was.

Did the walker on water, the controller of weather, mender of paralysis and
withered limbs, maker of wine from water; and raiser of the dead; feel any
pain during his ordeal? Yes.

†. Isa 53:10 . . It was Yhvh's will to crush him and cause him to suffer
(some versions say: put him to grief)

I should think that the word "suffer" says it all.

†. Acts 1:3 . . He showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible
proofs

The Greek word for "passion" is pascho (pas'-kho) which means: to
experience a sensation or impression (usually painful)

The below is an impassioned plea heard from the cross.

†. Matt 27:46 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Here it is again; this time with some parts that were missing.

†. Ps 22:1 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so
far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

The Hebrew word for "roaring" is sheagah (sheh-aw-gaw') which means: a
rumbling or moan. In other words: people standing around the cross that
day during those three hours of inky dark couldn't see anything, but they
could sure hear: and what they heard were the dreadful cries of a man in
extreme discomfort.

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You do seem to be a very confused and wandering soul.
 

blue_ladybug

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your quote: "Jesus was God in human form, so what God did to Jesus, he did to himself." - I'm trying to wrap my thoughts around this. Please explain with scripture, if you would, so I see what your thoughts were bouncing from.


well, like I said here, Jesus was God in human form. So while Jesus was being whipped, beaten, hung on the cross, etc etc, that was also done to God, because God was in the human form of Jesus. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all one and the same. God knows OUR suffering all too well, because he was subjected to it also, when he was in the form of Jesus.
 
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I don't think God's wrath fell upon Jesus, as much as it did all the sinners in the world at that time. After all, Jesus was God in human form, so what God did to Jesus, he did to himself.
Finally! Someone who seems to understand that God never "punished" Jesus... but, instead, rescued Him from the just consequences of sin that were intended for you and me.
 

blue_ladybug

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Finally! Someone who seems to understand that God never "punished" Jesus... but, instead, rescued Him from the just consequences of sin that were intended for you and me.

amen, Willie... :)
 
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Just some information, in the original, Paul, in none of his letters, ever put "God" and "Wrath" together. He simply spoke of "wrath." The translators added "God's" to the original Scripture.
 

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The child is a part of the parent, having come from them, but they are two
different persons.
Yes!

The New Testament places far more emphasis upon Jesus Christ as a son
than as a deity; and I believe that your homely illustration does an
excellent job of explaining why.

My biological son is Weber due to the fact that he was born of Weber. Seeing
as how we are both biologically Weber; then we are both just as much
Weber as the other; yet, we are individuals too; with me having the
supremacy because I am the paterfamilias.

†. Ex 20:12 . . Honor your father

Had Jesus Christ been created and then later adopted into God's home like
the rest of us, then he wouldn't be just as much God as God. But seeing as
how Jesus Christ was literally born of God, then he inherited God's
characteristics just as my son inherited my characteristics; for example:

†. Col 2:9. . For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily

The koiné Greek word for "Godhead" is theotes (theh-ot'-ace) which means
divinity. In Col 2:9, theotes is modified by the definite Greek article "ho"
which means the. So we're talking about "the" divinity rather than just any
old nickel and dime divinity.

The reason that in Jesus Christ dwells all the fullness of the divinity is
because he was born of the divinity. So then: just as in my son dwells all the
fullness of human life because he was born of human life; so in God's son
dwells all the fullness of the divine life because he was born of the divine
life.

†. John 5:26 . . For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted
also to the Son to have life in himself.

Hard core Trinitarians constantly bleat that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully
Man; but in reality, they only believe he is fully God because they can't cope
with the simple biological fact that real sons are born as sons rather than
placed as sons.

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Just some information, in the original, Paul, in none of his letters, ever put "God" and "Wrath" together. He simply spoke of "wrath." The translators added "God's" to the original Scripture.
Really?

Ἀποκαλύπτεται γὰρ ὀργὴ Θεοῦ ἀπ' οὐρανοῦ ἐπὶ πᾶσαν ἀσέβειαν καὶ ἀδικίαν ἀνθρώπων τῶν τὴν ἀλήθειαν ἐν ἀδικίᾳ κατεχόντων,.
 

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Really?

Ἀποκαλύπτεται γὰρ ὀργὴ Θεοῦ ἀπ' οὐρανοῦ ἐπὶ πᾶσαν ἀσέβειαν καὶ ἀδικίαν ἀνθρώπων τῶν τὴν ἀλήθειαν ἐν ἀδικίᾳ κατεχόντων,.

say what? translation, pls... :)
 
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Good friday showed Gods love to the world. That he would send his wrath on his son in those three hours, to pay for our redemption proves Gods true love for all his creation.
He vented His wrath on His son????
EG, you missed the boat entirely. He sacrificed His Son out of love. There was no anger directed at Christ. Think before you speak.
 
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say what? translation, pls... :)
Ἀποκαλύπτεται γὰρ ὀργὴ Θεοῦ ἀπ' οὐρανοῦ ἐπὶ πᾶσαν ἀσέβειαν καὶ ἀδικίαν ἀνθρώπων τῶν τὴν ἀλήθειαν ἐν ἀδικίᾳ κατεχόντων,.

Is revealed indeed wrath of God from heaven upon all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men -- the truth by unrighteous suppressing