the Work of God

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 15, 2015

*Then said they unto Him, What shall we Do, that we Might Work the Works of God?

*Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the Work of God, that ye Believe on Him whom HE hath Sent.

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The Work of God, what is it? What did the Master Tell those in His Day.? that YE BELIEVE on Him whom the Father sent!
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easy beleivism?????? -------> no... a belief , un regenerate man, spiritually dead in trespasses and sins can 'magically' whip up from a short prayer or verses put together as men/women seek converts to their carnal religious inclinations? ------> NO..

That Ye BELIEVE on Him whom the Father sent, ONLY GOD Himself can reveal that to you, thru the Work of the Paraclete, the Spirit of Truth, this the One Who Gave Himself on the Bloody Tree, Crucified for the Appeasement of the Father. indeed... all things Flow thru the Son of Man and His Propitiation! Christ Crucified! these the Father gives to Christ for Redemption! this a God Centered Salvation.. with the Merits Grounded in Christ Himself, decreed from the foundation of the World, before time and dirt were created!

forsha · Apr 16, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

Before we are born again, we have no ability to believe anything of a spiritual nature, 1 Cor 2:14. Eph 2 tells us how the natural man, with no ability, is born again, and that is only by the grace of God, without any help from man. John 6:39 tells us who Jesus saved on the cross, and it was only those that God gave to Jesus., and he will raise them up at the last day.

SeaBass · Apr 16, 2015

It would make no sense on God's part to command men to believe if men are not able to.

dcontroversal · Apr 16, 2015

It peased God by the foolishness of preching to save them that believe.....

If you believe in you heart (mind) that God has raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved.....period!

WheresEnoch · Apr 16, 2015

Would you mind explaining some verses for us Bowhunter? To better understand what you are teaching

posthuman · Apr 17, 2015

SeaBass said:

do we assume light could exist of it's own volition, because the Almighty said "let there be light" ?

can i walk out of my own grave by my own power? could Lazarus have risen up unless Christ had commanded him "come forth" ?

Once God has spoken; twice have I heard this:
that power belongs to God
(Psalm 62:11)

mercy also is His.
we may resist His will, but be assured, if He calls us to act, He will also equip us, and if we think we do by our own strength, we will be corrected. it is not us, but God working in us to will and to work. no longer i, that it is a gift, and not a wage earned.

if it were any other way but this, we could boast - but there is only one thing we can boast of - that we have been known by Him, and He has shown us mercy!

crossnote · Apr 17, 2015

Embedded in the Gospel is the power to believe, so those who are dead in sin are quickened at the message...

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

1Co 1:18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

posthuman · Apr 17, 2015

for me, it is like this:

Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the Lord! This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life. I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord.’ ”
(Ezekiel 37:4-6)

i did not put this life in me - the Lord sent the Word, and sent one to tell me the word. the Lord gave me ears to hear. the Lord made breath enter into me and made me come to life. the Lord attached tendons to me and gave me strength. the Lord made flesh to cover me. the Lord put His spirit in me and gave me life.

i was a pile of bones. i could do none of this!
it is all by His mercy!

and so i know He is the Lord!

crossnote · Apr 17, 2015

posthuman said:

for me, it is like this:

Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the Lord! This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life. I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord.’ ”
(Ezekiel 37:4-6)

i did not put this life in me - the Lord sent the Word, and sent one to tell me the word. the Lord gave me ears to hear. the Lord made breath enter into me and made me come to life. the Lord attached tendons to me and gave me strength. the Lord made flesh to cover me. the Lord put His spirit in me and gave me life.

i was a pile of bones. i could do none of this!
it is all by His mercy!

and so i know He is the Lord!

Yeah, I can tell by your avatar

posthuman · Apr 17, 2015

does He render to everyone according to their works? (Psalm 62:12)
sure.

but:

Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet's reward,
and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward.
(Matthew 10:41)

He has not dealt with me according to what i have deserved because of my sin, but He gives me the reward of the One that i welcome -- He has given me mercy and grace as a gift, and if there is any work i have ever done for Him it has been by His power, not my own, because His command creates universes; His word causes creatures to be created from dust and dry bones to raise up into living men.

His command is not like the commands of earthly authorities. His commands are also promises, if you would believe.

He is so good !!!

dcontroversal · Apr 17, 2015

crossnote said:

Simple equation at the end of the day...That is why we are instructed to not be removed from the simplicity that is found in Christ.......It is a rather simple thing to acknowledge Christ by faith and be saved, justified and sanctified (positionally) for ever......!

oldthennew · Apr 17, 2015

obedience to His will is freedom -
and disobedience to His will is bondage.

I can believe and stand right along-side the devils -
or I can believe and stand beside the faithful
prophets and apostles.

I can waste my talents or bury them in the ground -
or I can bring forth ten-fold, fifty-fold, or even an hundred-fold.
Christ indeed lives within me and I have the power to do this...
but I also have the choice to refuse or count the shed blood of
Christ a light thing - God forbid, I pray He always gives me the
ability to make the right choices, to believe in Him and walk as
He walked, because He is our example, there is no Greater.

may we all be in the company that when He does return,
we will hear Him say, well done thou good and faithful servant,
enter into the joy of the Lord, for indeed judgment begins
at the house of God'.
Let us walk worthy.
Let us put-off all the works of darkness.
Let us believe in action, proof, and deed.
Let Christ's love manifest itself in our every day life.

BradC · Apr 17, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

Thank you for bringing a freshness to this passage of scripture from the lips of Christ. This was also the same when Thomas would not believe until he could see and put his finger in the print of the nails and in his side in (John 20:25-29) and the Lord responded with blessed are those who have not seen yet believe. When we were dead in trespasses and sins, we were able to hear the gospel and our hearts were pricked with conviction and love concerning Christ and him crucified. This was the good news and the crossroads presented to us through what we heard and then believed in our heart. Repenting of sin was not an issue but believing that Christ took our place on the cross was the issue. He was our scapegoat and God's sacrificial lamb. It was because of love that God took upon himself the form of a servant, made in the likeness of men and bore our sins upon his body on that tree. That work on the cross enable all unregenerate men the ability to believe and come to God by faith through his Son.

SeaBass · Apr 17, 2015

posthuman said:

God did not create light with freewill as God created man with the freewill. If man cannot believe it would be no sense for God to command man to believe. The command itself implies man has the ability, responsibility and accountability to believe.

Grandpa · Apr 17, 2015

SeaBass said:

Until you realize that His Understanding is much Higher than your understanding and His Ways are much higher than your ways.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

How are you doing with that one? Don't answer please... I'm not doing that well with it either.

But I'm doing pretty good with this one;

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

This is where you find out there is a choice. You can rely on your ability, all of them, the implied ones and unimplied ones, or you can rely on the ability of the Lord Jesus Christ. His ability really is much greater than ours. Without the Lord Jesus Christ your work and "ability" is really nothing at all.

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 17, 2015

Genuine Belief , Belief that comes with Genuine Salvation is So Simple, Why Because God Imparts It to the lost soul, by REVEALING His Unmerited goodness to the Lost sinner, as He has Drawn them in for Salvation, God the Father Giving these Souls to Christ, Christ Drawing them into Himself , thru the work of the Paraclete, then revealing this to the lost soul who was spiritually dead in trespasses and sins.. He shows them His Unmerited Goodness, reveals this to them, and from this 'revelation' of His Unmerited goodness, (divine Grace) they believe... NOW man with his gospel, says, I can believe out of the blue, I believe .. but we have to add something to it or take it away, thru our 'works'.. GOD SAYS that wont Work. because I have Provided the Way, thru My Son's Complete Perfect Appeaasment at the Tree, Belief in that the He has done it all, and that Jesus is the Only one who can fix your guilt and shame you carry around, that Burden or yoke'. Christ Breaks that upon the New Birth! thru His Blood!.. man takes it upon himself, herself, to present Christ crucified, yet always add just alittle to it or take something away.. WONT WORK.. Simple Belief in His completed Work comes from the Revelation of His un merited Goodness upon that soul that didnt deserve it.. when that is Revealed, the soul can do nothing but Rejoice and Believe, because of the Love that God has revealed to them, this found at the Tree, Where He gave Himself for that soul... man made belief systems, and man made 'convert corporate collecting ' groups in the name of the 'lord'. are just that. man made.. but here for a purpose, the enemy needs a congregation and followers, he will get that, a global one, but its the Wide path, that leads to destruction, that Sandy foundation, built upon man pulling God down to His Level and telling God how He is suppose to act.. lolz.. God suprised? no. He is actually letting it Happen as in accordance with His Decreed Will from before Time and Dirt were created.. What is God doing Now? Gettting ready.. greasing the Big Eternal combine, making sure the Tires got good pressure, cleaning out the Hoppa make sure there are no 'weed seeds' that will contaminate the Good Seed that flows in there.. mmmmmm plus He is getting His Banquet Ready, btw.. is your Ticket Punched?

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 17, 2015

But I fear, lest by any means, as the Serpent Beguiled Eve through his Subtilty, so your minds should be Corrupted from the Simplicity that is in Christ.----> 2 Corinthians------ indeed.. when it comes to belief and the Salvation of God.. the 'pride' of man fueled by the 'serpent'.. a dangerous and corrupt system, but defeated by the One who could only Defeat it in Humility by His work at the Tree, His Cross, the man Christ Jesus, God manifest in the flesh!

Bowhunter2394 · Apr 17, 2015

posthuman said:

do we assume light could exist of it's own volition, because the Almighty said "let there be light" ?

can i walk out of my own grave by my own power? could Lazarus have risen up unless Christ had commanded him "come forth" ?

Once God has spoken; twice have I heard this:
that power belongs to God
(Psalm 62:11)

mercy also is His.
we may resist His will, but be assured, if He calls us to act, He will also equip us, and if we think we do by our own strength, we will be corrected. it is not us, but God working in us to will and to work. no longer i, that it is a gift, and not a wage earned.

if it were any other way but this, we could boast - but there is only one thing we can boast of - that we have been known by Him, and He has shown us mercy!

Couldnt of said it any better, ! thank you and very good discernment!

Delivery · Apr 17, 2015

Bowhunter2394 said:

The only work of God that we have to do is to believe in Jesus. Any other works that we might do after we are saved are done by Jesus and the Holy Spirit working in us.

Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
[SUP]27[/SUP] Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

The people had just witnessed an amazing miracle when He multiplied the 5 loaves and 2 fishes to feed the 5000 men plus women and children. So they came following Him around hoping he'll continually supply there food so they can just be lazy and not have to work for it. So then they asked Him:

What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

But then they slapped Him in the face with it.

They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
[SUP]31[/SUP] Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Imagine that? Here, Jesus had just done a miracle in multiplying the loaves and fishes and they are belittling it and basically saying, "That's nothing. That's not a great work or miracle, That don't prove nuttin. When Moses gave our Fathers bread from heaven, now that was an outstanding miracle."

So then Jesus gave His famous "eat my flesh and drink my blood" sermon to weed out all the hangers on who were there just for the loaves and fishes. Jesus works did prove His messiah ship but people who are not of His sheep won't believe no matter how many miracles He does.

[SUP]24[/SUP] Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
[SUP]25[/SUP] Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Jesus did the works and still does the works through us. The only work we have to do is believe in Jesus. Once we believe in Him we are saved forever. We can't lose our Salvation just because our works aren't good enough, because Jesus is the one who does the works. We just follow Jesus because we hear His voice and love Him because He first loved us.

So after all of His disciples left Him except for the 12, Jesus told them,"

Doth this offend you?
[SUP]62[/SUP] What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
[SUP]63[/SUP] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
[SUP]64[/SUP] But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
[SUP]65[/SUP] And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

He was telling them that His words have spiritual meaning and are not to be taken literally, but the disciples had their heads stuck in the physical plain of this physical world and couldn't understand spiritual concepts. They weren't saved in the first place cause they were just following Jesus around so He can fix them some fish sandwiches every day without having to go out and fish for it themselves and for the pride trip of following around a rabbi.

Does obeying the law of Moses save you? No. Does doing good works save you? No. Do the works of feeding and housing the poor and helping others and going to church, and alms giving, etc. etc. save you? No. Only eating Jesus flesh and drinking His blood saves you. (Spiritually speaking) We do this by believing in Jesus and His blood sacrifice for us on the cross, and that He conquered death when God raised Him from the dead. As Jesus brought out at the last supper.

[SUP]23[/SUP] For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
[SUP]24[/SUP] And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
[SUP]25[/SUP] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

The will of God is to believe in Jesus:

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[SUP]40[/SUP] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Once you believe in Jesus, you have done the will of God, you have done the work of God, and therefore, you have everlasting life, and you will be raised up at the last day. Period. No if's, and's or but's about it. Any works that follow your Salvation are done by Jesus through you because you are His sheep who follow Him, because you are saved and have the Light and Life of the world dwelling in you. And because you have the Spirit.

mailmandan · Apr 17, 2015

SeaBass said:

How are men made able to? Does God enable us to believe or does man come to believe completely apart from the enabling power of God? There is more to coming to saving faith in Christ than simply paper, ink and human intelligence.

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