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So are you saying the mind isn't important? We are supposed to love the Lord with all our heart, MIND, and soul. Psychology isn't a spiritual issue. There are rape victims and soldiers coming back from war who struggle with PTSD for the rest of their lives. There are those who have battles of drugs and alcohol. And need to go to a rehab center before coming to God and becoming a new person. Ever hear of the 12 step program? God uses those in psychology, just like he uses those in the medical field, to help those victims try and live their lives to the best of their ability.
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I never told anyone to see a "Christian psychologist". I don't even know if they exist. What i said is i would like to see a Christian psychologist in practice, because they would be able to use the fullness of the word to heal.
I will pray for the people or group who put these blinders on you, and that the lord will remove the blinders so you will see the light and truth of his word, which will allow you to see what others are writing more clearly.
God bless
So since psychology is a myth. Then there's no such thing as PTSD. Or substance abuse. Or eating disorders. Or depression, anxiety, phobias, bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia. Just to name a few. Correct? That's what you're saying? It's a simple yes, you're saying that, or no, you're not, question.
There is a thing called integration in psychology. You try to implement the teachings of the Bible in everything related to the field you work in. There's also " Christian Psychology " where you throw away everything you know about psychology and you start a new one. There's also Biblical counseling, where most if not all churches use. Although "Christian Psychology" seems to be skeptical, the other two methods, for the most part, are methods Christians in the field would use.
I see that your heart is exactly where it should be! Good job! However not everything you are saying is based on Biblical fact. You may want to re-consider some things.
Other than that I get why you posted this. I also understand the part about "And you will feel the EXACT same as you do right now, but likely for eternity." I think I do anyway...Basically are you saying that if you do go to hell after committing suicide nothing will change because how you feel now is as close to the feeling of hell as a person can get?
I suggest you do a Bible study on suicide in partner with your own psychological studies. You are on the right track.
Other than that I get why you posted this. I also understand the part about "And you will feel the EXACT same as you do right now, but likely for eternity." I think I do anyway...Basically are you saying that if you do go to hell after committing suicide nothing will change because how you feel now is as close to the feeling of hell as a person can get?
I suggest you do a Bible study on suicide in partner with your own psychological studies. You are on the right track.
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My experience includes having my mother die when I was barely 16, feeling like I was supposed to be Mom to my 5 year old brother, rape, drug abuse, meeting a wonderful man, marrying him, two years later he breaks his back, so we have to scramble to figure out what to do next, struggling up to making it financially again, only to have hubby's employer bail, and then a gall bladder problem causing me to be disabled, and then, and then, and and then. Do I then tell others this is what life is for all? I'd really rather not. It seems hopeless on the surface. The hope is in Christ, and there is a whole universe of evidence to that.
Sorry, but personal experience shouldn't be someone else's base, especially when you say human weakness is a disease. It's really not. It's the reason we need Jesus, not someone else's testimony.
And no need to pray to God to have him get me to trust your personal experience as gospel. I do trust God enough not to trust that.
Sorry, but personal experience shouldn't be someone else's base, especially when you say human weakness is a disease. It's really not. It's the reason we need Jesus, not someone else's testimony.
And no need to pray to God to have him get me to trust your personal experience as gospel. I do trust God enough not to trust that.
re "Christian psychologist".
Yeah, i was meaning a trained psychologist who is actually a Christian so they have the ability to combine both. I never contemplated the idea of a "Christian psychologist" who is actually a person who only works your mind with and by the word only.
God loves us more than we will ever know, maybe we all should start showing each other a little more love and compassion. We are all on the same side.
And what i wrote was purely from an experience view, and was in no way did i mean to come across as citing biblical fact.
God bless
Yeah, i was meaning a trained psychologist who is actually a Christian so they have the ability to combine both. I never contemplated the idea of a "Christian psychologist" who is actually a person who only works your mind with and by the word only.
God loves us more than we will ever know, maybe we all should start showing each other a little more love and compassion. We are all on the same side.
And what i wrote was purely from an experience view, and was in no way did i mean to come across as citing biblical fact.
God bless
i didn't read anything in this thread so far except this one post.
remember the way yahshua spoke to others. he spoke directly, he spoke the WORD from YAHWEH, he spoke nothing from himself.
he called some others dogs; he called some others sons of hasatan; he called some others (his own disciples) STURPID (look it up properly spelled in proper context as it is WRITTEN IN HIS WORD),
he asked his disciples why they had so little faith more than once, after they had been with him some time,
he says the whole world, all the people in the world, are without a savior, are condemned, are lost, are given over
to believe a lie (their own delusion), ... .except for those the father has mercy on (and he numbers them who are shown mercy as few; and those who are resurrected for judgment as multitudes),
i.e.
GOD'S WORD does not cater to men, does not speak well of mankind, does not speak well of religious leaders nor of lawyers nor of most people/ businesses/ countries/ nor of any idols nor of any heresies nor of any of
the many different 'devices'(religions, frauds, methods, 'wisdoms', 'knowledge(s)', ways) ....
no, the whole of society jesus says is perverse, corrupt, brainless, stupid lost, naked and blind; and even many of his own people he has called have been so at times;
and unless the father grants mercy, no one is saved, no, not one.
praise be to GOD through YAHSHUA HAMASHIACH, the SAVIOR MESSIAH KING with the NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES in WHOM is given ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and on earth,
who saves all who call upon him (in truth, in all of his descriptions/conditions/grace upon grace),
and in whom ONLY anyone might be saved -- there is NO OTHER WAY; not one of man's many different cultures, nations, peoples, countries, sociologies, societies or methods or devices works.
remember the way yahshua spoke to others. he spoke directly, he spoke the WORD from YAHWEH, he spoke nothing from himself.
he called some others dogs; he called some others sons of hasatan; he called some others (his own disciples) STURPID (look it up properly spelled in proper context as it is WRITTEN IN HIS WORD),
he asked his disciples why they had so little faith more than once, after they had been with him some time,
he says the whole world, all the people in the world, are without a savior, are condemned, are lost, are given over
to believe a lie (their own delusion), ... .except for those the father has mercy on (and he numbers them who are shown mercy as few; and those who are resurrected for judgment as multitudes),
i.e.
GOD'S WORD does not cater to men, does not speak well of mankind, does not speak well of religious leaders nor of lawyers nor of most people/ businesses/ countries/ nor of any idols nor of any heresies nor of any of
the many different 'devices'(religions, frauds, methods, 'wisdoms', 'knowledge(s)', ways) ....
no, the whole of society jesus says is perverse, corrupt, brainless, stupid lost, naked and blind; and even many of his own people he has called have been so at times;
and unless the father grants mercy, no one is saved, no, not one.
praise be to GOD through YAHSHUA HAMASHIACH, the SAVIOR MESSIAH KING with the NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES in WHOM is given ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and on earth,
who saves all who call upon him (in truth, in all of his descriptions/conditions/grace upon grace),
and in whom ONLY anyone might be saved -- there is NO OTHER WAY; not one of man's many different cultures, nations, peoples, countries, sociologies, societies or methods or devices works.
Suicide is NOT a disease. Suicide IS a sin. Suicide IS murder of yourself, thus it falls under the commandment of "thou shall not kill." I believe God looks at the heart of those who commit suicide, and takes their mental state into consideration, BUT I think for the ones who do it because their bored of life, or whatever, make their way to hell. We are to persevere in this life, no matter how damn hard it is. I don't particularly believe that God doesn't give us more than we can bear. Alot of suicides occur because they feel they can't take the burden they're under. I have been suicidal since a very young age, and my fear of going to hell is honestly what keeps me from going through with it sometimes. That, and my faith in God is stronger than any of the devil's tricks and lies. 
If we know Jesus, we can persevere through ANYTHING. Philippians 4:13 says we can do anything through Christ who strengthens us. Call suicide what it is: a mortal sin. Not a disease such as cancer or diabetes.
If we know Jesus, we can persevere through ANYTHING. Philippians 4:13 says we can do anything through Christ who strengthens us. Call suicide what it is: a mortal sin. Not a disease such as cancer or diabetes.
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Christian + Psychologist = no meds. First, psychologists can't prescribe meds, so that's like thinking a lion tamer is going to recommend everyone get a dog. Maybe you'll find one who does recommend it, but it's simply not common for psychologists to think in those terms.
Second Christian. Same problem we always have. Simply because someone says they're a Christian, doesn't mean they really are. That said, there are some psychologists who are Christians and even psychologists that help through the Bible as God is always on their mind, including their thoughts on helping others.
I've gone through a handful of shrinks in my life. Most were useless, one was useful but not Christian. Hubby found a Christian psychologist in all good sides of those two words. He helped him well.
Just because we run into useless it doesn't mean they're all useless.
Third, if I was depressed and a drug lifted me out of it, I'm going for it. Hubby suffers from depression and a drug does help him out. It's Vitamin B. 10% of folks who suffer with depression rise above it when they get enough vitamin B. Do you think God's against that?
Then why would he be against another medication that lifts others out? True, antidepressants don't lift most out of the depression, but I'm not going to fault those who it does work on. I wouldn't wish chronic depression on my worst enemy.
"It didn't work for me" is a lousy reason to not hope it works on others. Again, we are one person, not the rule.
Second Christian. Same problem we always have. Simply because someone says they're a Christian, doesn't mean they really are. That said, there are some psychologists who are Christians and even psychologists that help through the Bible as God is always on their mind, including their thoughts on helping others.
I've gone through a handful of shrinks in my life. Most were useless, one was useful but not Christian. Hubby found a Christian psychologist in all good sides of those two words. He helped him well.
Just because we run into useless it doesn't mean they're all useless.
Third, if I was depressed and a drug lifted me out of it, I'm going for it. Hubby suffers from depression and a drug does help him out. It's Vitamin B. 10% of folks who suffer with depression rise above it when they get enough vitamin B. Do you think God's against that?
Then why would he be against another medication that lifts others out? True, antidepressants don't lift most out of the depression, but I'm not going to fault those who it does work on. I wouldn't wish chronic depression on my worst enemy.
"It didn't work for me" is a lousy reason to not hope it works on others. Again, we are one person, not the rule.
I'm pretty sure she wasn't advocating suicide. In fact, I'm pretty sure anyone in their right mind doesn't think suicide is such a good idea. There is this little thing called a sucide hotline, after all. And recovery centers are mandated to report someone who is thinking about comitting suicide. So I would hope we can all agree no one thinks suicide is a good idea. Whether or not a successful attempt sends you to hell is a different discussion. But the fact that this thread is turning into a new direction shows how people on this site pull out verses and try to spin them to fit their point of view.
It comes down to this. as the Accuser petitions and accuses souls, those who are His he petitions for.. I WANT THEM he says... God says NO, even after being told No, he goes out and creates and manufacturers circumstances to bring them to the brink of 'thinking about it' or doing it.. Saints go thru Depressing times, but its HIS WORD AND HIS BLOOD AND POWER that keep them up.. NO MATTER WHAT THE DEVIL THROWS at them.. Stand on that Word! and Promise. The ONE WHO SAVED YOU has the Keys to Death, and He wont let you do it.. no matter how dark it gets... From my testimony, I was on the brink of suicide as a NON BELIEVER, NOW Satan had every LEGAL right to devour me at that time, but THANKS BE TO God who was there and told him no, Satan, you can have him because he belongs to me, ! you cant touch him, He's Mine. this at a time when I was an unbeliever, that GOD LOVING ME FIRST!, I could of been a statistic, but God had other plans. My brothers oldest boy committed suicide, but that was because of their blasphemy on their part after my conversion in 1994, He allows my nephew to commit suicide, and it was because of their blasphemy , taking God's miracle and changing into a situation where I neeed psyhotherapy and drugs to fix my 'jesus problem'. He took my brother's oldest boy, just like He did with Pharaoh and it describes this In Revelation, ' I will kill her children with death' God is Just and Righteous and Holy and He is merciful and loving, but WHEN you take His Miracle and get involved in it with your man made Jesus thats when He gets very very angry! almost like man Trumping the Sovereign Hand of God and it is.. but God has the final say, because He removes those who speak lies and cause trouble, these hardened beyond 'redemption'.. physical death is the next stop. Suicide is Sin.. it is. God allows some to commit it, they were NEVER HIS TO BEGIN WITH.. it comes down to the LITIGATION ROOM IN HEAVEN, where satan accuses and wants souls to destroy.. if your HIS.. you will not commit suicide, because He has the Keys to death and the Spirit of God that is in you is greater than he that is in the world, INdeed! I wish some could see the Litigation room in Heaven, where God's Attorney, Christ, comes face to face with the non elect angels as they spew their hatred and slander and lies at the Risen Christ, Job gives you a brief glimpse into that Litigation Room.. God's Attorney!, Advocate for the Righteous! Jesus the Christ, God manifest in the flesh!
So you are saying 1 John 3 is not spelled out clear enough that suicide is a sin?
Also, what is disturbing is that I have heard Christians say to another believer (Who is struggling with suicide) that suicide is not going to send a believer into Condemnation. Yet they told them suicide was not a good idea. But see, if there are no consequences in the afterlife then there really should be nothing to fear. Yet, Jesus says fear not him who can destroy the body, but fear him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna (i.e. the Lake of Fire). In other words, only faithful believers will make it into Heaven.
Also, what is disturbing is that I have heard Christians say to another believer (Who is struggling with suicide) that suicide is not going to send a believer into Condemnation. Yet they told them suicide was not a good idea. But see, if there are no consequences in the afterlife then there really should be nothing to fear. Yet, Jesus says fear not him who can destroy the body, but fear him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna (i.e. the Lake of Fire). In other words, only faithful believers will make it into Heaven.