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Anyways, if someone is having suicidal thoughts. They need to repent of that type of sin right now.
 

JFSurvivor

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So saying something is wrong is being hateful? Wrong is wrong. Evil is evil; And sin is sin. There is no sugar coating the truth. The apostle John says that no murderer has eternal life abiding within them (1 John 3). Suicide is self murder.
it's not what you say, it's HOW you say it.
 

jsr1221

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So you are saying 1 John 3 is not spelled out clear enough that suicide is a sin?
Also, what is disturbing is that I have heard Christians say to another believer (Who is struggling with suicide) that suicide is not going to send a believer into Condemnation. Yet they told them suicide was not a good idea. But see, if there are no consequences in the afterlife then there really should be nothing to fear. Yet, Jesus says fear not him who can destroy the body, but fear him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna (i.e. the Lake of Fire). In other words, only faithful believers will make it into Heaven.
As long as we're alive, there is hope for us. Faith in Christ is what makes us stronger. I've wanted to commit suicide quite a few times. But never attempted. Now why is that? Certainty not because of me. But because of Christ I've never carried out such thoughts. There is a thing as mental health. A lot of people are mentally unstable. Why do you think there are mental health facilities? For those wanting to end their lives, it's important to get them the help they desperately and obviously need. Not condemn them. They're already in an unstable place to begin with.
 
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JFSurvivor

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Anyways, if someone is having suicidal thoughts. They need to repent of that type of sin right now.
*sigh* ok so some people on here think you can just pray depression away. It doesn't work that way...at least not for most people. if it worked for you wonderful! God must love you more! But it didn't work for me. I had to go to therapist after therapist, get medicated and a whole bunch of crap before my depression was under control. I prayed for it to go away, I believed God would take it away. After all it seemed to be working for my more religious friends why not me? Well God didn't take it away magically. He used my doctors and therapists to do it. I think he did that to increase my faith because where would I be if I just asked God "hey God can you take this from me?" and he was like "ok!" then I would have learned to treat him like a candy machine. Put a quarter in get candy out. Why God seems to work more directly with some people i don't know but please stop telling people with depression to pray it away because it just doesn't work for everyone and it comes off like God loves you more than us.

Also suicidal thoughts are not a sin. I struggled with them for a long LONG time. It's not anything fun and it's not selfish. It truly is an illness. Why people label it as a sin I think because you're scared to deal with the depth of hurt that has over taken that person. I understand hurt is scary but who are you to judge when you have not walked in their shoes, had their brain and their way of thinking? Yes, everyone has had their fair share of pain I get that but this isn't a competition of "I suffered more than you" Everyone is an individual and handles things different. So stop judging because you have no idea what you are talking about unless you have been there.

sorry if I sounded rude this is one of those things that drives me up the freakin wall though. I am a HUGE mental health advocate
 

Reborn

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Anyways, if someone is having suicidal thoughts. They need to repent of that type of sin right now.
Are you a robot, Jason?

*sigh* ok so some people on here think you can just pray depression away. It doesn't work that way...at least not for most people. if it worked for you wonderful! God must love you more! But it didn't work for me. I had to go to therapist after therapist, get medicated and a whole bunch of crap before my depression was under control.
So sorry that you feel that God isn't the answer to all.
He is though.
 
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*sigh* ok so some people on here think you can just pray depression away. It doesn't work that way...at least not for most people. if it worked for you wonderful! God must love you more! But it didn't work for me. I had to go to therapist after therapist, get medicated and a whole bunch of crap before my depression was under control. I prayed for it to go away, I believed God would take it away. After all it seemed to be working for my more religious friends why not me? Well God didn't take it away magically. He used my doctors and therapists to do it. I think he did that to increase my faith because where would I be if I just asked God "hey God can you take this from me?" and he was like "ok!" then I would have learned to treat him like a candy machine. Put a quarter in get candy out. Why God seems to work more directly with some people i don't know but please stop telling people with depression to pray it away because it just doesn't work for everyone and it comes off like God loves you more than us.

Also suicidal thoughts are not a sin. I struggled with them for a long LONG time. It's not anything fun and it's not selfish. It truly is an illness. Why people label it as a sin I think because you're scared to deal with the depth of hurt that has over taken that person . I understand hurt is scary but who are you to judge when you have not walked in their shoes, had their brain and their way of thinking? Yes, everyone has had their fair share of pain I get that but this isn't a competition of "I suffered more than you" Everyone is an individual and handles things different. So stop judging because you have no idea what you are talking about unless you have been there.

sorry if I sounded rude this is one of those things that drives me up the freakin wall though. I am a HUGE mental health advocate
Amen, wonderful post. All we can do is pray that the religious Christians will someday be able to take their blinders off.
To ignore the reality of something is to judge and condemn it, two things Christ tells us not to do.

Please show me the scripture in the bible that talks anything about suicide. And please don't presume that murder is to be interpreted as suicide, that would not be wise to do, as we are not to add to the word or take away from it. If you believe that suicide is self-murder, then that's your opinion and that's all good, but please don't dare to presume that the bible is putting suicide in with murder, because it doesn't.
Only man is putting the two together because it scares the crap out of you.

Adultery is a sin, how many of you know that merely thinking of another person in a sexual way, no matter how fleeting that thought is, is considered adultery, therefore every single man has and continues to commit adultery. And please don't tell me guys you are so righteous that you've never thought for a fleeting second of another woman other than your wife.
That would be like saying that young teenage males never masturbate, because people have been brainwashed that that is a sin too.
If any of y'all males say you don't masturbate, then you've committed another sin of lying.

God bless
 

JFSurvivor

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Indeed. :)


Thats what I did.
Let's look at physical illness then. Sometimes God chooses to heal people and others he doesn't. It's not a sin to be sick and God doesn't always heal the sick no matter how much someone prays. Why should it be different from mental illness?
 
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Thank you, JFSurvivor.
 
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Let's look at physical illness then. Sometimes God chooses to heal people and others he doesn't. It's not a sin to be sick and God doesn't always heal the sick no matter how much someone prays. Why should it be different from mental illness?
Amen.

God bless
 
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skylove7

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Well.... Jesus is not a white European for one. But yes. Suicide is a sin. It is a sin that one cannot repent of.
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Forgive me Jason...but uh...you have me confused! This thread is about people suffering depressions, and the emotional sufferings of it. I have yet to understand...why the artists portrayal of the color of Jesus skin...is so dominantly important to you, at this time, ON this serious topic....I mean to me...Satan on the left...resembles Jimmy Kimmel...but that's irrelevant to this topic!....I wish everyone could be strong!...Sadly they are not,..but I am not in this thread to judge anyone! I am here to love others......oh yes.....and......:) Romans 8:2
 

kodiak

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it's not what you say, it's HOW you say it.
I agree, it is important to not come across as rude or like you think you are better. This type of behavior turns unbelievers away from Christianity.
*sigh* ok so some people on here think you can just pray depression away. It doesn't work that way...at least not for most people. if it worked for you wonderful! God must love you more! But it didn't work for me. I had to go to therapist after therapist, get medicated and a whole bunch of crap before my depression was under control. I prayed for it to go away, I believed God would take it away. After all it seemed to be working for my more religious friends why not me? Well God didn't take it away magically. He used my doctors and therapists to do it. I think he did that to increase my faith because where would I be if I just asked God "hey God can you take this from me?" and he was like "ok!" then I would have learned to treat him like a candy machine. Put a quarter in get candy out. Why God seems to work more directly with some people i don't know but please stop telling people with depression to pray it away because it just doesn't work for everyone and it comes off like God loves you more than us.

Also suicidal thoughts are not a sin. I struggled with them for a long LONG time. It's not anything fun and it's not selfish. It truly is an illness. Why people label it as a sin I think because you're scared to deal with the depth of hurt that has over taken that person. I understand hurt is scary but who are you to judge when you have not walked in their shoes, had their brain and their way of thinking? Yes, everyone has had their fair share of pain I get that but this isn't a competition of "I suffered more than you" Everyone is an individual and handles things different. So stop judging because you have no idea what you are talking about unless you have been there.

sorry if I sounded rude this is one of those things that drives me up the freakin wall though. I am a HUGE mental health advocate
So sorry that you feel that God isn't the answer to all.
He is though.
I don't think she was saying He isn't the answer....She was saying that He doesn't always answer things the way we think He should....Look at the story of Job...Did Jesus take away all of his pain immediately? This is what I think she is trying to say.
 
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This post really saddens me. I feel it's actually doing the opposite of its purpose.

As one who has been and can be very suicidal the issue of heaven and hell is not the true discussion at hand (though it could be). It's the reasons for doing so. You feel that the whole world is against you and hates you, even as far as believing God doesn't love you. Your life is pointless and doesn't matter.

Long story short, you believe all the lies the devil throws at you and they all sound true.

If a person has a wrong thought on suicide it's because the value of life and reason for it is blurred. They need encouragement, reason, much prayer, and much bible. Not criticism and more reasons to feel like they are worthless. Be sensitive please and understanding...