Is this Pride?

Blain · Apr 17, 2015

So I told someone about a dream I had long ago about aliens invading earth by the hundreds and then in my spirit I somehow knew the rapture would happen any second. Now I personally don't give much interest in those dreams anymore but she wanted to know if I had dreams like she did. Apparently she believes she has the gift of dream interpretation told me it wasn't about aliens or the rapture at all but about me. saying that I was going to crash in my faith and not be able to get back up.

Now here is how I responded, personally I thought if that dream was to be interpretated she got it all wrong but I said if as she says I crash in my faith I am not afraid because in all my darkest times in all my worst and fiery trials and suffering in life in all my great testing of faith he has been there the entire time he gave me strength to keep going regardless how much I screwed up and so if I do crash I have nothing to fear because he will be with me and we will overcome together as one. I then proceeded to tell her that I don't believe her interpretation is correct.

She then messages me saying I am full of pride boasting how close I am to God she said she has the gift of discerning spirits and that I have much pride. Now honestly I fear pride I fear of even thinking of being prideful and what I said wasn't intended to be prideful but to say I am not afraid because I trust in God. Was what I said prideful? Pride arrogance greed such things are poison to the soul and faith and so I do all I can to stay away from them, I'm not saying such things don't try to pop up but as far as I know I push them back most of the time and not allow them in my heart.

MarcR · Apr 17, 2015

I think that if you seek sound advice on Spiritual issues you should consult only those who have a recognizably strong walk with the Lord. I would not consider it pride; but I am not experienced in dream interpretation.

Blain · Apr 17, 2015

MarcR said:

Oh I don't really care about the dream interpretation I am just concerned maybe she was right and I was being prideful

blue_ladybug · Apr 17, 2015

I don't think it sounded prideful at all. It sounded confident. You are one of a few people that I know who has the strongest faith in God. Even stronger than my own.

Blain · Apr 17, 2015

blue_ladybug said:

lol ya I doubt that blue, I have read all you been through and I have seen how strong it has made you there is no way my faith even comes close to the strength of yours which actually makes me very happy. I have desired for quite a while to see some warriors of God with such passionate adoring and fiery hearts for God but alas I have seen few except you and a few others.

secularhermit · Apr 17, 2015

Could that be envy?

Similar to those who disliked Joseph's dreams?

Blain · Apr 17, 2015

secularhermit said:

umm I doubt it she is one of those ppl who are a bit....off. Having very strange beliefs and believing they are specially picked by God to do things. she is the owner of a forum I was recommended to I made a thread asking help as to what to make of her. She owns a dream and visions that are from God forum but even though I like the forum as it has nice ppl on it she makes me very uncomfortable. She said she was a harvester fro God and when i chose not to believe her interpretation of that dream it's as if she was subconsciously upset that I didn't believe her because she said she has the discernement of spirits and dream interpretation.

But the bible says to test all spirits and honestly when i tested her view of the dream it didn't fit.

VioletReigns · Apr 17, 2015

1. Anyone who has the Spirit of Jesus Christ dwelling in them can discern spirits. I John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

2. Your "boasting of how close I am to God." reminds me of Paul's words, "HE WHO BOASTS IS TO BOAST IN THE LORD. For it is not he who commends himself that is approved, but he whom the Lord commends." [2 Corinthians 10:17,18] We are told to glory and rejoice that our names are written in the Book of Life. You surely do that!! \

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3. Proverbs 25:14 "Whoever boasts of himself about having a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain." No refreshment. Empty words. For someone to tell you that you're going to crash in your faith and not get up is speaking death to you. DON'T RECEIVE IT. It goes against the Word of God which says in I John 2:1, that "if anyone sins (or falls), we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." And it's written in Jude 1:24: "Now all glory to God, who is able to keep you from falling away and will bring you with great joy into his glorious presence without a single fault."

Paul reprimanded the Christians in Corinth, "I have become foolish and you yourselves compelled me. Actually I should have been commended by you, for in no respect was I inferior to the most eminent apostles, even though I am a nobody." Paul was scolding them for making him have to defend himself because they were praising other apostles who were prominent and impressive speakers, unlike Paul who described himself as "the least of all saints."

Remember beloved brother Blain, Paul had such close intimacy with the Lord and experienced so many visions and revelations that he said his thorn in the flesh was given to him to keep him from boasting too much about it. Not all of your brothers and sisters in Christ are going to rejoice with you about your intimacy with Jesus. Why? Who knows. Only God knows their heart's motive. My guess would be jealousy because all of their good works don't bring them close to the intimacy you have in Jesus.

The man or woman who runs out of self-sufficiency is an empty vessel for the Holy Spirit to do great and mighty things. Rebellion, on the other hand stifles the moving of God in our lives and we miss out on that glorious, abundant life He offers us. Watch who you share your pearls with. There are some who will try to crush those pearls.

Grace and peace to you, lovely brother in the Lord!

secularhermit · Apr 17, 2015

Blain said:

umm I doubt it she is one of those ppl who are a bit....off. Having very strange beliefs and believing they are specially picked by God to do things. she is the owner of a forum I was recommended to I made a thread asking help as to what to make of her. She owns a dream and visions that are from God forum but even though I like the forum as it has nice ppl on it she makes me very uncomfortable. She said she was a harvester fro God and when i chose not to believe her interpretation of that dream it's as if she was subconsciously upset that I didn't believe her because she said she has the discernement of spirits and dream interpretation.

But the bible says to test all spirits and honestly when i tested her view of the dream it didn't fit.

"..she said she has the discernment of spirits and dream interpretation..."

I think Jesus said, somewhere : "Doctor, heal yourself"

Let see if she discerns herself.

secularhermit · Apr 17, 2015

The personal cultism (or cultist personalism) is ONE thing SH runs from.

Stephen63 · Apr 17, 2015

Blain said:

First of all, your dream was not a spiritual one..... When God gives us symbolic dreams, He uses ACTUAL things that are real, not imaginary things like space aliens.

As far as being prideful, you were showing your dependency on God & boasting on the Lord. Nothing prideful about that.

The reason she said those things to you is simple: your disagreement with her "interpretation" hurt her pride & ego and, as a result, she projected her feelings on you, making the issue YOUR pride instead. She is the one that's arrogant & prideful. I would stay away from such people, for they are messed up from the floor up. Self-proclaimed interpreters are no more than spiritual control freaks that are narcissistic. Some use the phrase "Jezebel spirit", which I agree with its description, but not necessarily its name.

Willie-T · Apr 17, 2015

Blain, is this our mutual friend?

Vernon · Apr 17, 2015

I am not an interpreter of dreams, but I am a discerner of spirits and yours appears to be in the right place.

Christ be with you always.

MultilingualMessenger · Apr 18, 2015

Blain said:

No. It's not that you had too much pride, it's that you probably hurt her pride by telling her that you thought that she was wrong when she considers herself a dream interpreter. She probably was speaking out of her own hurt pride, especially considering that she didn't pull that out of the hat until you said she was wrong. Seems to me like if she discerns spirits, she would have discerned your pride before you disagreed with her interpretation.

At least, that's what it sounds like to me. Sometimes people are pretty good at projecting their own faults on others...

Buuuuuut it could be just me. *sips tea*

Violet24 · Apr 18, 2015

I personally have had very symbolic dreams over the years & have shared them with family. Sometimes my dreams are somewhat difficult to even explain to someone. I would never want someone to assume I'm being overly spiritual or prideful, just for sharing a dream. I would casually say "I had this dream about....what you think it means", but usually leave it at that. Pride is also one thing I really try & guard my heart from. In my early days as a Christian, I carried some pride in my heart, but the Lord has humbled me in those area's of my life, and its the one prayer that I pray often, for the Lord to not let me be prideful. I talk a lot about the Lord on "Christian chat, as we all do, but no one should ever be judged as being prideful, that's the work of the Holy Spirit, to reveal these area's in our heart that we need to surrender to him. We are all a "work in progress"....

MarcR · Apr 18, 2015

Scripture says that Scripture is NOT of private interpretation. 2 Pe 1:19-21

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
KJV

If she teaches otherwise; she should not be listened to!

Miri · Apr 18, 2015

Hi Blain, I think I gave you an opinion on the matter earlier on another thread.
Intepretation of dreams is something which needs to be done prayfully and cautiously whether it's your own or another person's.
There are genuine people who God uses in this way to interpret dreams for other people, but my personal experience is they are few and far between.

I have a lot of dreams but I would not dare to interpret for another in case I got it wrong, athough I might give them pointers as to how they can discover it for themselves based on my own experiences.

In my own personal experience someone who is gifted to interpret dreams would know their gift comes from God, not from themselves. They would also be keenly aware of the warnings against false prophets. I would expect such a person to be very humble and to be able to hold their own council without being confrontational. After all if you have a genuine gift from God it does not matter what others think, as long as you are at peace in yourself about it.

Josephe obviously wasn't very humble to start off with and God had to deal with that!

I mentioned in another thread that I doubted this person was genuine as they told you all dreams are from God.

That is just so wrong, there are three sources for dreams, the natural man, God and also Satan. I have experienced all three.

i would suggest you need to beware of this person and don't contact them again.

Blain · Apr 18, 2015

Miri said:

Hi Blain, I think I gave you an opinion on the matter earlier on another thread.
Intepretation of dreams is something which needs to be done prayfully and cautiously whether it's your own or another person's.
There are genuine people who God uses in this way to interpret dreams for other people, but my personal experience is they are few and far between.

I have a lot of dreams but I would not dare to interpret for another in case I got it wrong, athough I might give them pointers as to how they can discover it for themselves based on my own experiences.

In my own personal experience someone who is gifted to interpret dreams would know their gift comes from God, not from themselves. They would also be keenly aware of the warnings against false prophets. I would expect such a person to be very humble and to be able to hold their own council without being confrontational. After all if you have a genuine gift from God it does not matter what others think, as long as you are at peace in yourself about it.

Josephe obviously wasn't very humble to start off with and God had to deal with that!

I mentioned in another thread that I doubted this person was genuine as they told you all dreams are from God.

That is just so wrong, there are three sources for dreams, the natural man, God and also Satan. I have experienced all three.

i would suggest you need to beware of this person and don't contact them again.

Yes I remember you saying this, I have stopped going there as I don't want more issues. I am not meaning to gossip or to talk bad about her I just didn't know what to make of what she said

zeroturbulence · Apr 18, 2015

You.. prideful?? I can't believe you are actually worried that you are prideful, Blain. What you should be worried about more is why your friend is so delusional.

Blain · Apr 18, 2015

Well I didn't feel like I was being prideful but I always like to check and make sure pride after all was the downfall of satan and made him go rogue

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