Who Here Never Sins?
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Read the whole list. You're in there too. And, it's willful. We all are. It's not just a first step, it's a life long path, and when we get to the end of this body, God still has to fix us more.
Romans 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Romans 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
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You don't sin anymore? I see a few right in that sentence.
Romans 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Sin is more pervasive than we first think, and it's very pervasive when we first think of it. God's helped me to leave lying behind. I have flare-ups of gossiping left. I'm really still too good at haughty, insolent, and foolish. Faith! Faith is still one of those things God keeps hacking me with. I'm good with having faith in average, not so good at having faith when all things fall apart.
I use that list to see how far I have to go, because I can guarantee I'm not halfway there yet. It's easy to judge others for murder, slander, inventors of evil, but a lot harder to face up to we're just not as good at faith as we ought to be. And malice? Boy, I see more malice on this site than just about anything else.
No one is sinless. Kind of the point. If we get that point that haughty, malice, ruthless, foolish streak starts to melt away. Starts. We are a work in progress.
Romans 1:29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Sin is more pervasive than we first think, and it's very pervasive when we first think of it. God's helped me to leave lying behind. I have flare-ups of gossiping left. I'm really still too good at haughty, insolent, and foolish. Faith! Faith is still one of those things God keeps hacking me with. I'm good with having faith in average, not so good at having faith when all things fall apart.
I use that list to see how far I have to go, because I can guarantee I'm not halfway there yet. It's easy to judge others for murder, slander, inventors of evil, but a lot harder to face up to we're just not as good at faith as we ought to be. And malice? Boy, I see more malice on this site than just about anything else.
No one is sinless. Kind of the point. If we get that point that haughty, malice, ruthless, foolish streak starts to melt away. Starts. We are a work in progress.
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1 Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself,
and unto the doctrine; continue in them:
for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
Or as Paul said...
1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection:
lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
As Jesus said...
Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world,
and lose himself, or be cast away?
Keeping ones body under and bringing it into subjection (or not) seems to have a bearing on being a cast away while gaining the world. He shows one can gain the world and lose himself in not taking heed to oneself and the doctrine there.
and unto the doctrine; continue in them:
for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
Or as Paul said...
1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection:
lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
As Jesus said...
Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world,
and lose himself, or be cast away?
Keeping ones body under and bringing it into subjection (or not) seems to have a bearing on being a cast away while gaining the world. He shows one can gain the world and lose himself in not taking heed to oneself and the doctrine there.
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We're no longer slaves to sin. Our problem is we were so enslaved in it before, we have a tendency to want to go back to the old master to know what we're supposed to do next. Rather like lost sheep with dementia. Jesus has to keep coming back to grab us to place us where we belong, until the day he restores our minds. Until that day, our use of time is best served by remembering, "Wrong master. I'm going back to where I belong."
I disagree. Jesus does not call us to have dementia. Jesus calls us to be perfect as His Heavenly Father is perfect. Will some believers struggle to overcome sin? Yes. But the Scriptures do not teach that you will be a slave to sin in the fact that you will never be able to overcome it in this life. That is what being a slave to something means. If you cannot overcome something, you are a slave to it. But Paul says we are slaves to righteousness and that we used to be slaves of sin. Therein lies the difference. Jesus said, if you sin, you are a slave to sin.
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He did not say this
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned,
we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
He said he did not sin anymore,
but not that he has not (in the past) sinned as we all have sinned
He was likely speaking of this verse
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Or one of the others.
What people typically do is pit the verses against the other instead of recconcile them and it just becomes a giant accusation fest. Its worded. I missed where he said what you said he said, because it was not that which the verse states makes God a liar.
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned,
we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
He said he did not sin anymore,
but not that he has not (in the past) sinned as we all have sinned
He was likely speaking of this verse
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Or one of the others.
What people typically do is pit the verses against the other instead of recconcile them and it just becomes a giant accusation fest. Its worded. I missed where he said what you said he said, because it was not that which the verse states makes God a liar.
Sin is NOT IMPUTED where there is NO Law... Romans 5 Indeed, Justified by Faith, not by the Works of the Law, Who Fulfilled the Law, Who do we Trust? Christ, God manifest in the Flesh and His Completed Work at the Tree! We dont trust in our ability to fulfill the Law and make one self righteous.. Paul even spoke about that, if there was anybody who could trust his own righteousness in the Law, it was him, but what did he say? the Elect of God, they have no confidence in their flesh, but Worship God in the Spirit ! Some on here could give Paul a run for his money in fulfilling the Law thru their flesh by their posts, only theres is WORSE than Paul's carnal abilities , in the fact that they ADD Christ to it.. shame shame.... shame shame.. May God open your eyes to the Truth!
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the Spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Philippians 3
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Now the Righteousness of God is manifest outside the Law, which is Faith in Christ and His complete Atoning Appeasement!
Walk in the Spirit and ye will not fulfill the Lusts of the Flesh ------> Arm Yourselves as Christ was Armed being likeminded!
For as much then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he/she that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 1 Peter
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the Spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Philippians 3
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Now the Righteousness of God is manifest outside the Law, which is Faith in Christ and His complete Atoning Appeasement!
Walk in the Spirit and ye will not fulfill the Lusts of the Flesh ------> Arm Yourselves as Christ was Armed being likeminded!
For as much then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he/she that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 1 Peter
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Well without the law, there can be no sin.
What is a sin? It's a transgression of the law.
Therefore, no more law, no more sin.
Is the law sin in itself? God forbid no!
The law is perfect.
But one day God shall do away with the law and all worldly laws.
And everything else that comes with, shame, regret, condemnation. Shall be done away!
What is a sin? It's a transgression of the law.
Therefore, no more law, no more sin.
Is the law sin in itself? God forbid no!
The law is perfect.
But one day God shall do away with the law and all worldly laws.
And everything else that comes with, shame, regret, condemnation. Shall be done away!
what surprises me here as elsewhere is how and when some choose to and prefer to take it leterally in some cases and not others - this of course also applies to me - here I would say as a rule all sin as far as I know but could there just be an exception to the rule as the exception proves the rule - it seems we sin because we are sinners - wincam
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People sin without the law and in the law.
Its just that the law doesnt equal sin itself, but the strength of sin while in the flesh.
There are folks who do evil without law though.
The law is also against those things which are contrary to sound doctrine itself
1 Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good,
if a man use it lawfully;
1 Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient,
for the ungodly
and for sinners,
for unholy and profane,
for murderers of fathers
and murderers of mothers,
for manslayers,
For whoremongers,
for them that defile themselves with mankind,
for menstealers,
for liars,
for perjured persons,
and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
So the law is not made for a righteous man,
The law is perfect for the converting of the soul (as unto Jesus Christ) who is the end of the law as it (the law) made nothing perfect just perfect for the converting of the soul unto him.
Its just that the law doesnt equal sin itself, but the strength of sin while in the flesh.
There are folks who do evil without law though.
The law is also against those things which are contrary to sound doctrine itself
1 Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good,
if a man use it lawfully;
1 Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man,
but for the lawless and disobedient,
for the ungodly
and for sinners,
for unholy and profane,
for murderers of fathers
and murderers of mothers,
for manslayers,
For whoremongers,
for them that defile themselves with mankind,
for menstealers,
for liars,
for perjured persons,
and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
So the law is not made for a righteous man,
The law is perfect for the converting of the soul (as unto Jesus Christ) who is the end of the law as it (the law) made nothing perfect just perfect for the converting of the soul unto him.
Paul explained the 'convert' even though Saved still had a 'law of sin' in their flesh, Romans 7 explains that, Paul did things at times he didnt want to do, but wondered why he did those things, then taught that the law of sin brought his members into 'captivity', he even said it wasnt HIM that was doing it , but the 'law of sin' in his flesh, he goes on teach that the law of sin, will be done away with with the Resurrection Body, like Christ's. thats why he taught, Oh wretched man that I am, who shall deliver me from this body of this death? Paul taught to walk in the Spirit, as He leads... Paul said he 'served' Law of God, the Law of Christ , which is Spiritual with his mind, but at times had the law of sin in his flesh getting in the way.... the Law of Christ, the Law of 'faith' he said he established, not the carnal commandments, those were Fulfilled in Christ's work at the tree.. those Genuinely led of the Spirit of God, NO CONDEMNATINON!! none what so ever, not 1/100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of a milligram to put it lightly.!
If one gets caught up in the Flesh, and continues, the Spirit of God, will lead you out of that! He will help you and lead you out of it.. because the 2 lusteth against each other..
Now the body is Dead because of sin, but the spirit alive because of Righteousness, ! ----> this righteousness by mans fulfilling the Law ? no.. but because of Faith in Christ! the Law of Faith!.... led of the Spirit, IN CHRIST!
If one gets caught up in the Flesh, and continues, the Spirit of God, will lead you out of that! He will help you and lead you out of it.. because the 2 lusteth against each other..
Now the body is Dead because of sin, but the spirit alive because of Righteousness, ! ----> this righteousness by mans fulfilling the Law ? no.. but because of Faith in Christ! the Law of Faith!.... led of the Spirit, IN CHRIST!
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If there are no righteous people in the world, then why does the bible clearly talk about righteous people?
Mt 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
Mt 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mt 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Are you saying the bible contradicts itself? Or do you believe that the bible teaches that there is a way for people to become righteous, to become sinless, just and justified, pure and clean? It's one or the other. Either the bible contradicts itself or there is a way to be changed from an unrighteous, evil person into a righteous person. Which is it for you?
Mt 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
Mt 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mt 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Are you saying the bible contradicts itself? Or do you believe that the bible teaches that there is a way for people to become righteous, to become sinless, just and justified, pure and clean? It's one or the other. Either the bible contradicts itself or there is a way to be changed from an unrighteous, evil person into a righteous person. Which is it for you?
His Righteous Ones are on this planet, Yes His elect, these Justified by Faith, Imputed Righteousness from this belief in His Son's completed Work, being Led by Him.. the Children of the Promise, thru Isaac, born again of the In Corruptible Seed! these the children of the flesh persecute because they have 'christ + their works or works of the Law for Justification...