2 Corinthians 5

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leonardronaldo

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How or upon what basis does God use to decide which men He will or will not begin a good work in?

Whose fault is it if God does not work in a particular individual? God's fault or the individual's fault?



Nothing in the context indicates God started working in those Philippians BEFORE they heard, obeyed the gospel.



Gal 1:6,7 they could not be removed from the gospel if they were NEVER in the gospel.
Gal 3:1 they could not quit obeying the truth if they NEVER obeyed the truth.
Gal 5:4 they could not be fallen from grace (past tense) if they were NEVER in grace.

Clearly they were Christians that believed but had fallen away yet nowhere does Paul say God would continue that good work in them.

1 Jn 2:19 does John say they were NEVER of us or they were not of us at the time that went out?

Acts 15:5 "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."

Acts 15:24 "Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:"

Acts 15:5 says these Pharisees "believed" so these Pharisees were among them at the church at Jerusalem. Yet in verse 24 these Pharisees proclaiming the false teaching that one must be circumcised to be saved "went out from us"
1. This is why you are wrong fundamentally. You believe God owes something to somebody, so that somebody can have a claim if God does not give him/her anything, just because he/she has done something which is good according to him/her. The God of the Bible does not have any debt to any of his creation. God has known the people that He will save, based on his authority,grace and omniscience, before the foundation of the earth.

2. That's again your fallacy. Even the first hearing of the Gospel, and later obeying of the Gospel, are possible to be done by sinners only because of the Grace of the Holy Spirit. Your problem is that you think sins are just like a mistake in an examination. It is much worse than that, it brings you falling short before the Glory of God and brings you to think that the Gospel is a stumbing block and/or foolishness. 1 Corinthians 1: 23-24 "but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness, but unto those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ, the power of God and the wisdom of God."

3. False. They had been thinking that they were in the Gospel; They had been thinking that they obeyed the truth; They had been thinking that they were in grace. But in fact, all of them were false hopes made by their own thinking, since they were never Christian to start of with. God will never fail. The Bible says there is no ex-Christian, he/she went out from Christianity since he/she was never Christian to start of with. The god you worship is a fail god and not the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible will finish the work that He Himself started.
Did you even read the 1 John 2 19 fully? I guess you haven't, otherwise you would not ask such question. "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us. But they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."
With regard to Acts 15, yes they Believed, but were their beliefs true and sincere? Most likely not, since their words are troubling and not previously commanded by the apostles to the other believers. Why did they do that? They don't cling unto the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ (v11). It is amazing to me, if you are really reading Acts 15 that you do not see that your position is like the Pharisee. You claim baptism are needful to be saved, don't you? Now what is the difference between you and the Pharisee in this passage (v1&5)? Lord have mercy. Interestingly, Acts 15 even proves further that your understanding is not true.

8 And God, who knoweth the hearts, bore them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost even as He did unto us,
9 and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”
14 Simon hath declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out from them a people for His name.
18 Known unto God are all His works from the beginning of the world.
 
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leonardronaldo

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17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Praise the Lord