Chicken or Egg/Oak or Acorn ?
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I would say it doesn't overly matter because either way the potential for life is implicit of nature. There is potential in the chicken to make an egg, potential in the egg to make a chicken, potential in the oak to make a acorn or seed, potential in a acorn or seed to make an oak. Life and its potential is implicit in nature. that's my understanding and yes god is amazing.
The chicken or the egg. There is a simple religious issue. Implicit within life as we know it is death, or the destruction of the mechanisms of life. Now this goes down to cell death, even if the whole being is still alive, the cell cycles through creation, aging and death. This does not match well with the idea of death only came into the world with Adams sin.
Physical death is part of life, just eating a fruit means death to the cells of the fruit etc.
So if you accept God made creatures at the kind level, rather than the infant level, which is the case of humans would not work well. To be honest there is another issue which is developmental learning of issues and handling as you grow up, which would be missing if you did not grow up through such a process. On this basis life is not possible without the egg as the base start, unless God created the whole implicit meanings of language, sight, walking etc.
Physical death is part of life, just eating a fruit means death to the cells of the fruit etc.
So if you accept God made creatures at the kind level, rather than the infant level, which is the case of humans would not work well. To be honest there is another issue which is developmental learning of issues and handling as you grow up, which would be missing if you did not grow up through such a process. On this basis life is not possible without the egg as the base start, unless God created the whole implicit meanings of language, sight, walking etc.
And God created the great sea creatures, and every living creature that moves, which the waters brought forth abundantly, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
(Gen 1:21)
You're not asking if God made a 'winged egg' first are you. LOL
and besides the oak v.12 came b4 the chicken v.21. 2XLOL
(Gen 1:21)
You're not asking if God made a 'winged egg' first are you. LOL
and besides the oak v.12 came b4 the chicken v.21. 2XLOL
Genesis Chapter 1 speaks of either 6 literal 24 hour days of original creation or 6 literal days of re-creation after a cataclysmic upheaval.
Ge 1:10-13
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
KJV
In verse 12, the antecedent of the pronoun 'itself' is 'earth' NOT 'herb' or 'tree'.
Ge 1:21-23
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
KJV
Wincam and Wolf Gaming, it appears that fish and foul were created together though fish are mentioned first.
They do indeed appear to be created mature since they swam and flew from the beginning.
Ge 1:24-31
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
KJV
Land dwelling life (other than birds) and Adam were created together on the sixth day; Adam last of all.
GenesisChapter 2 seems to be a focus on the events of the 6th day.
Ge 2:4-9
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
It appears that the acorn indeed came before the oak!
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
After Adam was created God made a garden of mature plants to feed him, and the animals.
Ge 2:15-23
15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
KJV
Sometimes it is necessary to read further than first mention to get right answers.
Ge 1:10-13
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
KJV
In verse 12, the antecedent of the pronoun 'itself' is 'earth' NOT 'herb' or 'tree'.
Ge 1:21-23
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
KJV
Wincam and Wolf Gaming, it appears that fish and foul were created together though fish are mentioned first.
They do indeed appear to be created mature since they swam and flew from the beginning.
Ge 1:24-31
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
KJV
Land dwelling life (other than birds) and Adam were created together on the sixth day; Adam last of all.
GenesisChapter 2 seems to be a focus on the events of the 6th day.
Ge 2:4-9
4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
It appears that the acorn indeed came before the oak!
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
After Adam was created God made a garden of mature plants to feed him, and the animals.
Ge 2:15-23
15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
KJV
Sometimes it is necessary to read further than first mention to get right answers.
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The chicken and Oak first. See Genesis.
If the egg and acorn were first, God the Creator would be pushed to the background in my way of thinking. The existence of an egg first suggests the existence of a hen. Yet the Genesis Creation is first generation, all directly from God.
Also, a chicken is complete. An egg is in the process of development. And that means God was powerful enough to make the complete thing. A man and woman can create life. But they cannot make life in its completeness. About 9 months for the baby to develop in the mother. On the other hand, God just forms man from the dust of the earth. Bam! It's done.
If the egg and acorn were first, God the Creator would be pushed to the background in my way of thinking. The existence of an egg first suggests the existence of a hen. Yet the Genesis Creation is first generation, all directly from God.
Also, a chicken is complete. An egg is in the process of development. And that means God was powerful enough to make the complete thing. A man and woman can create life. But they cannot make life in its completeness. About 9 months for the baby to develop in the mother. On the other hand, God just forms man from the dust of the earth. Bam! It's done.