I have hurt God :(

PennEd · Apr 29, 2015

Jason I haven't met a Christian on here yet that believes sin of any kind is ok. Christians understand that they need to confess and repent of their sin, but Jesus addressed this issue with Peter's question in Matthew 18:21-2221Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?”22Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[SUP]g

If Jesus teaches that we should forgive our BROTHERS (note these are BROTHERS in Christ) from SINNING limitlessly, why do YOU preach that "true" Christians don't sin or question whether they are repenting correctly?

Does it mean nothing to you that you offend, and in some cases make your brothers and sisters stumble, by questioning their salvation when they do sin? And at the least constantly cause strife and division? READ THAT VERSE AGAIN, AND THE COMPANION ACCOUNT IN LUKE, pray on it, and REPENT![/SUP]

DiscipleDave · Apr 29, 2015

Reborn said:

Sorry for my ignorance here, but it seems a lot of people are against Jason, i have no opinion on that matter, but would like to know what Jason has said that is contrary to the Inspired Word of God. This will help me to determine if Jason is to be believed or not believed. If Jason has said or taught something that is contrary to the Word of God then please point that out, if you don't we are in jeopardy this day of falsely accusing a Christian brother, and God will not take that lightly. i really don't know, has Jason said something that is contrary to Scriptures, that makes all of you against him, or are you against him because he teaches something that you personally don't believe. Please tell. If he has taught something contrary to Scriptures then it would seem easy enough to point out what he said that contradicts Scriptures, if you can't do that, then why should i not believe what he teaches, if it is NOT contrary to any Scriptures, and you will have falsely accused a Christian brother, when he has said nothing contrary to Scriptures. Please help me to understand if Jason has did this thing, by revealing the Scriptures that he contradicts. Thanks and God Bless you for helping me in this matter.

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DiscipleDave · Apr 29, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Too late. I already answered before you replied here.

If I didn't care about loving people then I wouldn't be telling them that they should preach the gospel and true Biblical repentance (In turning from their wicked ways). If I didn't care about them, I would be jumping at every chance I get to slander them falsely. But that is not my way. I am commanded by God to love all people and to lead them to the truth of God's Word. Believers are to preach the gospel and to tell others to repent or to turn from evil and sin. For it will not be my own words that will condemn anyone but God's Word will condemn people on Judgment Day.

Where did you read that? I never said such a thing. I said I desired to be a Pastor in the past, but realized in time with my walk with God that it is not my calling to have a church, etc. Nowhere did I ever say that I tried to be a Pastor and it just didn't work out for me.

Preaching the good news is a part of the great commission for all believers.

Do you believe in Biblical repentance? What is your definition of it according to the Bible? Does it line up with Jesus' definition of Repentance? Would you like to see verses that support Jesus' definition of repentance? If you missed it, I have already talked about this within this very thread.

so far i have not seen anything Jason has said on these posts as being contrary to Scriptures, these don't sound like the words of demons or from people who do not know the Truth.

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DiscipleDave · Apr 29, 2015

Reborn said:

Tell me, in the last days, what will the masses be according to the Word of God?

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

If we are in the last days, and Scriptures plainly teach that the masses in those days will be as described above, why would i care what the masses thought the Truth is?

And i do not know the situation with Jason, but i do know first hand that if i teach against sinning to this generation they, the masses indeed attack me, and say how evil and wrong that i am because i teach against sinning, against obeying Jesus number one enemy. i teach against sin, and the world hates me. Did not the masses hate Jesus? Did not the masses hate the Apostles, did not the masses hate the Prophets of old. Did not the masses kill all those who taught the Truth. So how is that to be expected differently today. i teach against sin and the masses say i am wrong, Well when it comes to the Truth i assure you if the masses agrees with it, it is WRONG. The masses teach that it is ok to continue to live in sin and you will still go to Heaven, the Truth, the Scriptures plainly teach otherwise, but the masses do not WANT to hear the Truth, they want excuses for their sinning, they want to continue to sin and still go to Heaven, and will listen to any doctrine that teaches the same. Does not change the Truth, which only a FEW will find, and live by. all sinning is wicked, evil, and UNGODLY. Teach that to a generation that loves to continue to sin, and see if your stoned before sunset.
As i said before. If Jason is teaching something contrary to the Inspired Word of God then point that out, show the Scriptures, if you can do that, then i will concur, that Jason is teaching a false doctrine, but if what Jason is saying does not contradict the Word of God but only contradicts your own belief of what the Truth is, then i will continue to believe what Jason says, until which point he teaches something contrary to what the Scriptures teach.
let the stone throwing commence.

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DiscipleDave · Apr 29, 2015

Jason0047 said:

Again, you offer only opinion. However, opinion is not going to matter on Judgment Day. God's Word is going to judge people on Judgement Day. So what will matter is if you abided in Christ and His Word or not. For Jesus said the reason why they wanted to kill him was because His Word did not abide in them. This means, they were not in obedience to God's Word (i.e. the Scriptures).

In other words, God's Word matters to His people. So they will talk about His Word and discuss it with other believers, rather than throwing stones at them. For Jesus was almost attacked several times for preaching the Word of God. The same held true for the apostles. It is no different today with God's people, too.

lol, i just got done saying the exact same thing.

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DiscipleDave · Apr 29, 2015

psychomom said:

The problem with this, is this generation will accuse another person as commending themselves when they say that God has commended them to teach.
For example, i did not choose to teach the Word of God, i did not commend myself to teach His Truths. God chose me from my mothers womb. my mom was going to be a NUN, loved God dearly, but she fell in love with my dad, she abandon the ideal of being a nun to marry my dad, when she got pregnant with me, she felt so guilty about her abandonment, that she dedicated her firstborn son to the Lord, she was reading the Bible to me every day, while i was in her womb. i can't remember a single time in my life that i did not believe in Jesus, at the age of 12 i had read the Bible in its entirety three times, and was studying it at the same age, i now have read it over 80 times in my life. God chose me. He started talking with me at a very young age, teaching me His Word, telling me what is going to happen in the Future, how the mark of the beast was going to be born, told me about the antichrist and his reign for a spell, He taught me the Word, He told me many things, and He told me to tell everyone what He has told me and showed me. He chose me, i did not ask Him to pick me, i did not ask Him to speak with me, as He did with the prophets in the Old testament, i did not ask Him to teach me the Word of God, i did not ask Him to do any of these things, but He chose to do it anyways. God has commended me to teach Truth to a generation that will refuse to hear it, i did not commend myself. But because i tell you the Truth, that God spoke with me, and taught me His Word according to God Himself, and plainly say God commended me to do this, this generation says i commend myself, it is but an excuse not to believe what i teach.
Here is the Truth, if you do not believe what He has told me, then you do not disagree with me, but with Him who told me these things, and what He told me more than anything else is "Love One Another"
One day, He told me all about that i needed to stop sinning, stop obeying His enemy the devil, He told me, that i was hurting Him every time i chose to obey his enemy the devil and commit sin, He told me this in 1994, i ran from God then, i was not willing to give up sinning, i wanted to believe the false doctrines that taught you can still sin and still go to Heaven, i ran from God then, He has not spoken to me since, sorry crying now, i am going to go, i am going to go repent again for running, a million times i have repented, i want to hear from Him again, i want to hear His voice again, i want Him to talk with me again. OH God, please, please forgive me

skylove7 · Apr 29, 2015

I for one know Reborn and many other friends here on a personal level...and they are beautiful Christians. I find people that come on these sights with self righteous attitudes...to be offensive to my Christian heart and very disturbing. It hurts my feelings to think men of flesh in these forums judge my sweet soul...and call it love for me. Tsk..tsk...it is a shame that some can try to judge others and use the word "love" as the reason. If I came into this forum and asked a man of flesh for his help...yes I understand a mans right to judge me. But I do not recall asking any man of flesh in these forums...his judgement upon my soul. Yet Im not offended...at anyones judgement of me. God loves me dearly. I am going to heaven! Im sorry to disappoint anyone who may rejoice in thoughts of me burning in hell...because I praise Jesus...not self righteous men of flesh. Sigh...oh well

Jason0047 · Apr 29, 2015

PennEd said:

I strongly disagree. There are many who have admitted here that they can be out of fellowship with Jesus Christ and still be saved (of which you can check out for yourself by looking at this thread here). To be out of fellowship implies one is sinning. Which means they are condoning a sin and still be saved doctrine. There are also many here who have stated that all future sin is forgiven them, too. So if all future sin is forgiven a person, then there is no incentive to do what is right. One can sin and still be saved. Many on here also say that a believer can never stop sinning and that they will always have some type of sin within their life. Yet, the Scriptures say differently. Galatians 5:24 says, they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. 1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. Jesus says be ye perfect as His Heavenly Father is perfect. The Heavenly Father is perfect because He is Holy and sinless. The author of Hebrews says, without holiness no man shall see the Lord. Peter identifies certain false prophets as not having ceased from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14).

On one hand you make it sound like you are for God's righteousness when you say,

"Christians understand that they need to confess and repent of their sin"

And yet on the other hand you suggest otherwise when you quoted a passage in regards to us forgiving others unconditionally equates with God forgiving us unconditionally. However, you are making a wrong assumption, though. First, nowhere in the context of that passage does it ever say you can sin and be forgiven by God. Second, nowhere is it said in God's Word at any point that the Lord will just forgive you if you remain in sin, either. On the contrary, 1 John 2:1, and 1 John 1:9 teach that you are to confess your sin in order to be forgiven of it. 1 John 1:7 teaches we are to walk in the light as he is in the light in order for the blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse us from all sin.

Also, another wrong assumption you make is that you think I do not believe some true Christians struggle with sin at some point in their life. Now, let me stress what I mean here. There is a difference with struggling with sin in wanting to overcome it versus say thinking you will forever be a slave to sin (and Jesus is just going to forgive you no matter how you live). For example: The alcoholic who struggles with alcohol and desires to stop is not wrong for stumbling on occasion on his desire and struggle to stop drinking so as to be sober. However, the alcoholic who thinks they can drink every once and a while and there is nothing wrong with being drunk is only fooling themselves before they meet their own destruction at the end of a bottle.

Jason0047 · Apr 29, 2015

skylove7 said:

We are sinners (past tense) saved by God's grace and the gift of salvation was not that of ourselves. Also, it is God (Christ) who keeps us from falling, too. Not ourselves. So the praise and glory goes to God and not ourselves. So there is no self righteousness going on here. We are just telling you what God's Word says plainly. If you do not like what it says, we cannot help that. It's God's Word (and not my words) that will judge you if you disobey it. If you disagree with how we interpreted a passage in God's Word, then surely you would want to discuss the context of that passage or bring up other verses that prove your case against what we have said here. But are you going to do that? Are sure hope so.

Jason0047 · Apr 29, 2015

psychomom said:

Again, this is in context to those who commended themselves and did not give the credit to Jesus Christ. This is to those who did not understand or give men slack in the fact that some men do struggle with sin (on their road to overcoming it) like in the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee.

In 1 Corinthians 15:10 Paul says he labored more than all his brethren, yet it was not himself but the grace of God that worked within him. So Paul boasted in the work he did, but he was saying it was not his work but it was God's work (moving within Him). Therein lies the difference.

However, the problem that I have with most here, is that they believe they will forever be a slave to sin.

For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil. (1 Peter 3:12).

PennEd · Apr 29, 2015

Jason0047 said:

I strongly disagree. There are many who have admitted here that they can be out of fellowship with Jesus Christ and still be saved (of which you can check out for yourself by looking at this thread here). To be out of fellowship implies one is sinning. Which means they are condoning a sin and still be saved doctrine. There are also many here who have stated that all future sin is forgiven them, too. So if all future sin is forgiven a person, then there is no incentive to do what is right. One can sin and still be saved. Many on here also say that a believer can never stop sinning and that they will always have some type of sin within their life. Yet, the Scriptures say differently. Galatians 5:24 says, they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. 1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. Jesus says be ye perfect as His Heavenly Father is perfect. The Heavenly Father is perfect because He is Holy and sinless. The author of Hebrews says, without holiness no man shall see the Lord. Peter identifies certain false prophets as not having ceased from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14).

On one hand you make it sound like you are for God's righteousness when you say,

"Christians understand that they need to confess and repent of their sin"

And yet on the other hand you suggest otherwise when you quoted a passage in regards to us forgiving others unconditionally equates with God forgiving us unconditionally. However, you are making a wrong assumption, though. First, nowhere in the context of that passage does it ever say you can sin and be forgiven by God. Second, nowhere is it said in God's Word at any point that the Lord will just forgive you if you remain in sin, either. On the contrary, 1 John 2:1, and 1 John 1:9 teach that you are to confess your sin in order to be forgiven of it. 1 John 1:7 teaches we are to walk in the light as he is in the light in order for the blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse us from all sin.

Also, another wrong assumption you make is that you think I do not believe some true Christians struggle with sin at some point in their life. Now, let me stress what I mean here. There is a difference with struggling with sin in wanting to overcome it versus say thinking you will forever be a slave to sin (and Jesus is just going to forgive you no matter how you live). For example: The alcoholic who struggles with alcohol and desires to stop is not wrong for stumbling on occasion on his desire and struggle to stop drinking so as to be sober. However, the alcoholic who thinks they can drink every once and a while and there is nothing wrong with being drunk is only fooling themselves before they meet their own destruction at the end of a bottle.

What!!??? I'm making a wrong assumption? Matthew 12:49 Then pointing with his hand at his DISCIPLES, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers,
So Jesus Himself is saying Peter is His brother. Jesus has the power to forgive sins. With that context Peter asks Jesus, his brother ACCORDING TO JESUS, how many times he should forgive his BROTHER of sinning against him! How could he or Jesus forgive His BROTHER of sin the brother never committed? The BROTHER sinned, he asked for forgiveness, it was granted, the BROTHER sinned again, THE SAME DAY, and the AGAIN, and AGAIN and so on, and each time he asked for forgiveness AND IT WAS GRANTED!!

Don't let your pride override the Truth.

MaggieMye · May 2, 2015

Kat_6 said:

God has been so good to me, blessing me with a miracle as well as many other things, but I have let Him down.. again. I struggle with a particular sin that I can't seem to control.. Each time I hear the Holy Spirit speaking inside telling me to say NO to sin, but my flesh is weak and I always end up sinning. I talked to God about this weakness, I've confessed that I am unable to do this without His help. But with all the blessings He has given me, I feel like such an awful person for always sinning and leaving Him hurt. He deserves so much more from me, and to know I let him down time and time again when all He does is love me and bless me makes me feel terrible

I don't know what to think or do.. I feel so guilty for hurting God this way.[/QUOTE
#1: You cannot hurt God. You do not have that kind of power. For you to think that you do is PRIDE.
#2: If you cannot overcome a certain type of sin, such as lust of any kind, or greed....whatever...you need deliverance.
#3: If you have questions, message me. It IS that simple.
Maggie

DiscipleDave · May 15, 2015

PennEd said:

Do not error in thinking that because we humans are instructed to forgive those who sin against us, 7X70 times. that God is also under the same instruction.

True forgiveness is granted to anyone who Truly repents of a particular sin. That is to say, they cease to do that sin ever again. If they continue to do the very sin over and over and over and over and over and over and over again without ever ceasing from it, How sorry are they?

A man beats his wife after he gets off work, afterwards he repents to her. The next night, he beats her again, and again he repents of it and says he is sorry. A couple of night later, he again beats his wife and again repents of it. This he does for years and years, NEVER ceasing from beating his wife. Now she forgives him each time, because she is instructed by God to do so, But how sorry is he, for beating his wife? HE'S NOT, despite him repenting after he does it. Anyone who repents of a particular sin KNOWING full well they will willingly do it again, Does not have a True repentant heart, if they did, they would seek Jesus help with His Strength and Power to overcome that sin, they would seek help with that sin, so as to stop committing that sin, if they were Truly sorry for that sin, they would try to cease from that sin, with everything they have. NO not this generation, this generation would rather just commit that particular sin, repent of it, commit again, repent of it, commit it again, repent of it, commit it again, repent of it, and NEVER ceasing from it, all the while thinking they are RIGHT with God, and Heaven bound. These are they that will be weeping much when they are not taken. They are NOT taken because they are not forgiven. Those who Truly repent, cease from that which they are repenting of, else they are not Truly sorry for that sin. Much weeping indeed.

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