Where is Eden now??

[sltaylor]

Just wanted to share this, please read the ENTIRE post before replying and just think about it.
We all know we were banished from Eden and from reaching out to the tree of life. What I find amazing though is that Revelation says the tree of life still exists, IN the paradise of God, where Jesus said he was going after the cross btw, (above). Which the word of paradise in Greek is basically translated as beautiful pleasure garden.
Rev. 2:7-"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes,I will give the right to eat from the tree of life,*which is in the paradise*of God."
So if Eden was there in the beginning and there in the end, where is it now. And if you are thinking what I'm thinking about it being above, what does that mean for the fall of man, and why are we looking for it on Earth?
If you read Ezekiel carefully you will see he even prophesied that Eden was somewhere else. I'm going to highlight the key words that point that out in the order they appear, because the prophecy spans a few verses and the key words are spaced out so I would like to highlight those.
13-You were in Eden,the garden of God...
15-You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.
16- So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you....
17- So I threw you to the earth...
To paraphrase even more...you were in Eden, until driven away in disgrace, and then thrown to the EARTH.
So then if he WAS in Eden, and then THROWN to the Earth, how could those two be in the same place?? I mean, clearly the tree of life is in the Garden of God in the beginning, and in the paradise of God in the end. No where is it ever said that Eden was destroyed, it just said immortal man became mortal and was then banished from it. So it's there in the end and there in the beginning, where is it now? Surely the tree of life we couldn't reach out to has something to do with Jesus saying the kingdom has come to us...right? Surely the tree of life wasnt wiped out in the flood, its still around, its eternal LOL. I mean what other tree are we in that could possibly give eternal life!?!? (THE grafting of the branches would be a great tree to be in for eternal life, right...)
It's there in the beginning, and the end, where is it now...ohhhhh the FALL of man...Lol. Just food for thought.

 

[sltaylor]

Ezekiel 28, sorry everyone for leaving that out above.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Maybe God moved it to the new Jerusalem or we could be blinded to its destination because God gave the Cherubims instruction to protect the tree.

Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

 

[jb]

Where is Eden now?

I can tell you where it ain't...it ain't in my back garden which is full of moss, weeds, dandelions etc...

 

[passing_through]

Probably where it was is just sand dunes. Just like the Sanctuary in the wilderness was a pattern of the heavenly things, the tree of life was a pattern of the true things in heaven. I was guess that Adams Eden is no more or it would have been discovered, with satellite imaging and man covering the planet.

 

[Jokurandomi]

Maybe it is somewhere in the ocean or somewhere under sand, I think i its somewhere we don't know becouse of Noah and the flood

(And sry for my english )

 

[Grandpa]

Its the same with that verse in Genesis 3:21 about God clothing them with skin. It doesn't say animal skin. People just assume that.

Did they have different kind of flesh when they were in the garden of Eden?

Just thought I would add to your thought sltaylor.

 

[sltaylor]

Maybe God moved it to the new Jerusalem or we could be blinded to its destination because God gave the Cherubims instruction to protect the tree.

Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Well this is my thought on that Mr Gandalf...Love that btw...this is the connection I made to that very point.
I quoted from Ezekiel 28. If you look at his prophesy, it stated that this person was appointed as a GUARDIAN CHERUB correct? So guardian angel basically. And THIS is where it all ties together. The ONLY other place you will find that wording is the very scripture you quoted. There was an ANGEL GUARDING THE way back into the entrance of the Garden, and the tree. Now I believe the tree has to be the spirit of life, I know nothing else giving eternal life other than those two. The only angel I know guarding the way to that place and keeping us from Eternal life is.....Satan. And if you read this entire prophesy, you will see that whoever this is was , BEAUTIFUL, and Full of wisdom. Hmmmm Sounds like the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14 who was prideful and thrown to the Earth. Not only that, but BABYLON, is also referenced in Ezekiel as God's sword of Judgment, and I believe that has everything to do with this Beautiful Guard Angel, with A FLASHING SWORD, to keep those from entering back into the GARDEN. SEE IT NOW...

 

[sltaylor]

Its the same with that verse in Genesis 3:21 about God clothing them with skin. It doesn't say animal skin. People just assume that.

Did they have different kind of flesh when they were in the garden of Eden?

Just thought I would add to your thought sltaylor.

Sir I have thought that many a times. I have wondered upon that and I believe it to be so. Let's remember what Paul said, that not all flesh is the same, you have heavenly bodies and earthly ones. And as for the heavenly one not having flesh, let's all remember, Jesus told his disciples after his reappearance, that he wasn't just a Ghost. They could touch him and he could even eat with them. So yes I do believe there is more to it than what we fully understand.

 

[sltaylor]

Maybe it is somewhere in the ocean or somewhere under sand, I think i its somewhere we don't know becouse of Noah and the flood

(And sry for my english )

Thank you for the reply, but consider this:
In Revelation the tree is in the Paradise of God.
After the cross Jesus went to the PARADISE OF GOD.
So if Jesus went to be by the Father's side in heaven, that's where the PARADISE of God has to be, and the tree as well.

 

[Jokurandomi]

Thank you for the reply, but consider this:
In Revelation the tree is in the Paradise of God.
After the cross Jesus went to the PARADISE OF GOD.
So if Jesus went to be by the Father's side in heaven, that's where the PARADISE of God has to be, and the tree as well.

Hmm.... ....................................

 

[sltaylor]

Hmm.... ....................................

For real huh. It just got deep...lol

 

[crossnote]

Its the same with that verse in Genesis 3:21 about God clothing them with skin. It doesn't say animal skin. People just assume that.

Did they have different kind of flesh when they were in the garden of Eden?

Just thought I would add to your thought sltaylor.

I'm not sure if I follow. There even was a brief period in the Garden in their fallen state (eg hiding, being reprimanded etc.), thus same flesh as we now have.
Also regarding skins I have assumed it was animal skin (representing the need of a sacrifice); what other kind of skin would it be, onion?

 

[Jokurandomi]

Thank you for the reply, but consider this:
In Revelation the tree is in the Paradise of God.
After the cross Jesus went to the PARADISE OF GOD.
So if Jesus went to be by the Father's side in heaven, that's where the PARADISE of God has to be, and the tree as well.

Hmm... I think the entrance to it is guarded so that it cannot be found, But there is one problem i found. We should find that garden if we would follow those 4 rivers? Tigris, Euphrates, Gihon, Pishon? I think it is there, but if it it, why haven't we found it yet?

( And sry for my bad English i cant explain it well in English D:

 

[crossnote]

Hmm... I think the entrance to it is guarded so that it cannot be found, But there is one problem i found. We should find that garden if we would follow those 4 rivers? Tigris, Euphrates, Gihon, Pishon? I think it is there, but if it it, why haven't we found it yet?

( And sry for my bad English i cant explain it well in English D:

The Flood most likely would have made topsy-turvy of the terrain.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Its the same with that verse in Genesis 3:21 about God clothing them with skin. It doesn't say animal skin. People just assume that.

Did they have different kind of flesh when they were in the garden of Eden?

Just thought I would add to your thought sltaylor.

Adam and Eve's bodies were flesh and bone...just like yours and I... now the quality of the flesh/bone.. when God Created them.. remember there was NO SIN.. sin had not entered in.. so their quality/appearnace.. all be it flesh /bone.. could of been more PRISTINE'.. at Creation.. because Sin had entered after Disobedience.. sin in flesh/bone.. leads to death... now Angels, Elect of God and non elect of God, are spirits, supernatural creatures that have spiritual bodies, not like our flesh /bone.... As far as Paradise, that is in Heaven, the 3rd Heaven, Paul describes that when teaching , he knew a man who was 'caught up' (harpazo) into the 3rd Heaven, Paradise.. He teaches that in the NT... so from the Word of God Paradise and the Tree of Life are in the 3rd Heaven, Paradise. Revelation declares this as the New Jerusalem, decends down from Paradise, the 3rd Heaven.. that is declared at the end of Revelation.. Did God move the Tree of Life back into the 3rd Heaven? not sure..but being it was here at Creation and its Now found in Paradise, one would seem to think so... God Created the Earth, to be inhabited, without sin. He created a Garden with 'keepers'.. NOW they sinned and disobedience moved in along with Death, after a certain point in time, Maybe God pulled the Tree of Life and moved it back to Heaven allowing the earth to go its route, because of the Stain of SINS? was the Earth as a Whole suppose to be like the 'Garden' in its beauty and Pristine Stunning Environment? In totality the total Earth becoming an Extension of the Garden???? remember Sin , not only harmed humans, but it stained EVERYTHING outside Paradise... this is why God is Going to Create New Heavens and New Earth, after the GWTJ.... the result of the Fall of Adam and Eve, was MONUMENTAL.... it was Huge.. 'sin and death entered in'.. on the Other Side of that you have the APPEASEMENT of Christ, Christ Crucified , for that disobedience.. that is SO MONUMENTAL and costly! wow.. but you have to UNDERSTAND.. even before He created Earth and the Heavens, and Adam and Eve and all the creatures.. He had already Decreed, in Eternity, that His Own Son at one time in the future, would step into Time and go from Heaven to Earth and Back to Heaven again, this done thru His Death and Resurrection, this the man Jesus the Christ, God manifest in the flesh.. Its thru His Vicarious Death that A new Earth and Heavens will be possible, purged by His consuming Righteous Fire very good thoughts and discussion on the Tree of Life and Paradise.

 

[sltaylor]

Its the same with that verse in Genesis 3:21 about God clothing them with skin. It doesn't say animal skin. People just assume that.

Did they have different kind of flesh when they were in the garden of Eden?

Just thought I would add to your thought sltaylor.

Well Grandpa, to further that thought above let's also consider this. Hold on cause it gonna get deep. Lol But I can see from your thought above that you are as well. Here we go.
The first Adam was the dust of the Earth, the Second a life giving Spirit.
We know who the first Eve was, the wife to the man, who was formed from a part of the man, to be one flesh. What the scripture in the New Testament doesn't say is, who is the second Eve?
If the last Adam is spirit, then what body was created from that, to become one in flesh with that spirit.
The answer to that is, the New Creation. For in him there is neither male nor female.
You see what the Garden symbolized was the spiritual creation of man, created like God in the beginning. But the two were one flesh. What the body does, the spirit does as well...even Jesus testified to that...I can only do what I see my Father doing. He was in the Father.
So we have spirit and flesh, joined together. And just as Jesus stated in the garden while he was praying, the spirit is willing but the body is weak, pray you do not fall into temptation.
That was the very thing that happened in the garden. The body was weak. That battle has been going on since the very creation of man.
I don't know how to describe it, or even fully understand something on that level, but I believe with all my heart, it's way deeper than our human brains could ever fully comprehend.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

It's there in the beginning, and the end, where is it now...ohhhhh the FALL of man...Lol. Just food for thought.

Ezel 28 is about both the glorious earthly king Ithobalus II whose pride was extreme, and it was shared with Satan.
Satan's 'liturgical' name Lucifer had to do with him being the top angel, and in charge of heavenly worship of God. He must have been an unbelievable sight to behold, had access to all of creation, including the holy mountain of God. All the angels would have been in on the creation of man and the garden of Eden, witnesses of it all. But in that day Satan tempted Eve he had his last hour in Heaven, being found with sin, and summarily kicked out of Heaven. Jesus said of that in Luke 10:18 (KJV) [SUP]18 [/SUP] And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

That day also Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden,and God posted two angels to guard it, so it isn't likely Satan had power enough to overcome them and re-enter it.

All the fruits in that garden were approved for eating, except the one tree in the middle, the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil. There would be no reason for God not to have allowed the plants there to spread across the earth. The reason God separated the people from the garden was to prevent man from eating of the Tree of Life. We don't have scripture saying Adam was created immortal, since that would come from eating of that tree. Sin put Adam in the mortal class along with all animals.

As for the garden, the scriptures declare everything to have been destroyed (Gen 7) except the Ark bearing Noah and family and selected animals and provisions. Those two angels guarding it those centuries finally got excused from their post? Since the death sentence applied to all life on earth, I suppose even that earthly tree of Life would have perished, nothing immune to death. One way or another it couldn't be left to seed and spread. But it wasn't the only one God had.

There's another "garden" in Heaven, called Paradise, with the Tree of Life lining the river of God. First mention: Revelation 2:7 (KJV) [SUP]7 [/SUP] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Next mention: Revelation 22:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Contemplating where the original Eden was, or the Paradise was located when Jesus was on the cross, or where it is as mentioned in Revelation, involves a lot of speculation based on traditions and Jewish beliefs. I preferto just take the word literally on that.

 

[sltaylor]

Hmm... I think the entrance to it is guarded so that it cannot be found, But there is one problem i found. We should find that garden if we would follow those 4 rivers? Tigris, Euphrates, Gihon, Pishon? I think it is there, but if it it, why haven't we found it yet?

( And sry for my bad English i cant explain it well in English D:

Well, to say again, the tree of life is in the paradise of God, where Jesus went. The only angel guarding us from entering into that heavenly Garden is Satan, to whom Ezekiel 28 is directed. I'm am just going off of what scripture says. The tree is in Paradise, Jesus is in Paradise, and there's only one person guarding that path back there. And in that lies Satan's demise, he was appointed to punish, Satan's intent is to completely destroy, and as for his big sword, what does Isaiah say: "no weapon forged against you will prevail, you will refute every tongue that accuses you", and you know what accuser in Hebrew meant.....Satan

 

[sltaylor]

Ezel 28 is about both the glorious earthly king Ithobalus II whose pride was extreme, and it was shared with Satan.
Satan's 'liturgical' name Lucifer had to do with him being the top angel, and in charge of heavenly worship of God. He must have been an unbelievable sight to behold, had access to all of creation, including the holy mountain of God. All the angels would have been in on the creation of man and the garden of Eden, witnesses of it all. But in that day Satan tempted Eve he had his last hour in Heaven, being found with sin, and summarily kicked out of Heaven. Jesus said of that in Luke 10:18 (KJV) [SUP]18 [/SUP] And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

That day also Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden,and God posted two angels to guard it, so it isn't likely Satan had power enough to overcome them and re-enter it.

All the fruits in that garden were approved for eating, except the one tree in the middle, the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil. There would be no reason for God not to have allowed the plants there to spread across the earth. The reason God separated the people from the garden was to prevent man from eating of the Tree of Life. We don't have scripture saying Adam was created immortal, since that would come from eating of that tree. Sin put Adam in the mortal class along with all animals.

As for the garden, the scriptures declare everything to have been destroyed (Gen 7) except the Ark bearing Noah and family and selected animals and provisions. Those two angels guarding it those centuries finally got excused from their post? Since the death sentence applied to all life on earth, I suppose even that earthly tree of Life would have perished, nothing immune to death. One way or another it couldn't be left to seed and spread. But it wasn't the only one God had.

There's another "garden" in Heaven, called Paradise, with the Tree of Life lining the river of God. First mention: Revelation 2:7 (KJV) [SUP]7 [/SUP] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Next mention: Revelation 22:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Contemplating where the original Eden was, or the Paradise was located when Jesus was on the cross, or where it is as mentioned in Revelation, involves a lot of speculation based on traditions and Jewish beliefs. I preferto just take the word literally on that.

I love it when people say Satan was kicked out in the beginning.
So who was there right along side all the other angels in the book of Job??? Job was after the garden correct? And who is it that loses his place in heaven in Revelation 12?? Satan and his angels correct. And who is that we wrestle against according to Paul, the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms correct. Yes Jesus saw Satan fall from heaven, but they that was after the Gospel was spread, he was prophesying to the affect the word spreading throughout the world had on Satan, leading to Revelation 12.