UNBELIEF - what did the mustard seed say to the mountain and the sycamine tree?

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“Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief;” Mark 9:24 KJV
“I do trust – help my lack of trust!” CJB
I had often wondered about that verse and simply chalked it off as meaning the man who said that didn’t really believe, or just didn’t believe enough. But while praying about a recent, difficult neighbor problem, heavily involving human nature, I thought of that verse, and determined to study it.

My first thought was that if this man is a believer, why is he saying, “Help thou mine unbelief?” According to the Complete Jewish Bible, the phrase used is “lack of trust” rather than “unbelief.” Looking up all occurrences of the word “unbelief” in the Bible, I found they were all in the New Testament and in all but a few instances, the CJB uses “lack of trust” or when referring to the opposite, “trust.” Now, that makes a difference.

I can see how a believer could have difficulty trusting enough, knowing “faith” and “trust” are often used interchangeably. And into my mind pops the “faith as a mustard seed” scriptures.
Matthew 17:20 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Matthew 17:20 (CJB) have trust as tiny as a mustard seed, you will be able to say to this mountain, `Move from here to there!' and it will move; indeed, nothing will be impossible for you!
Luke 17:6 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
Luke 17:6 (CJB) The Lord replied, "If you had trust as tiny as a mustard seed, you could say to this fig tree, `Be uprooted and replanted in the sea!' and it would obey you.

I don’t know about you, but I haven’t moved any mountains even an inch or transplanted any fig trees into the sea in my life. That makes it obvious that my trust, or faith, is really, really small. Over the many years of going to church, Bible studies, etc., I’ve understood that to say I don’t have much faith is acceptable – no one has much, so it’s okay and we ARE supposed to be humble. However, to say I lack “trust” is much more condemning in my own mind, and I begin to muse on why prayers seem to go unanswered, why believers have so many problems that can’t seem to be overcome…

But wait! What is it that I do that minimizes my trust in God? After over forty years of being a believer, a born again Christian, that even if I still can’t move a mountain, there should be some increase of my faith/trust. I came up with a couple different examples that are so common among professing Christians, yet they go unnoticed and we continue to wallow. I’ll use the example that came to me first. When our grandson joined the Marines, I worried – you know, all of the horrors of Vietnam are still fairly fresh, especially since I am married to a veteran of that conflict, and worry that our boy would end up in a war zone (there are plenty to choose from these days) and that sort of thing. Then when he chose computer stuff as his area of service I was relieved thinking he would be safer than an infantryman on front lines. The truth is, that I can pray for his safety but if he is here in Tennessee with us or overseas somewhere doing what the government has sent him to do, God will spare his life or take it when God so wills. I would like to be able to protect the little boy forever but even if he was here with me, I could not protect him any better than I can if he was the fine young man he is, wherever he is, if God says it is time for him to go home and be with Him. No matter where we are, our lifespan is in God’s hands, and we cannot lengthen it by a single minute past His will.

Then, I started thinking about that neighbor problem and realized that we pray for God to cause the correct resolution to take place. Next thought: he doesn’t care one iota about God’s will, although he claims to be a Christian, so…pray for his salvation or awakening to care whether or not his decisions are God’s will…oh, but he is so stubborn and arrogant, he’ll never humble himself that much. Boom! Just shot down the effectiveness of prayer for him. In a nutshell, we pray for God to handle situations and then turn right around and revisit those situations with negativity, showing our lack of trust…or faith…that God Almighty can do anything about it.

Then there is another important aspect to these mustard seed scriptures – what do the mountain and tree represent? Just looking at what all that involves tells me that will have to be part 2 of this study!
 
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Heyyy sister! So happy to see you on the forums.

I'm heading out for while, but can't wait to read through all you share on this subject later today.

Blessings and peace in Christ
 
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Heyyy sister! So happy to see you on the forums.

I'm heading out for while, but can't wait to read through all you share on this subject later today.

Blessings and peace in Christ
Some people just know how to make a person feel so good - and you are one of them! :eek:
Have a lovely day secure in the love of Yeshua!
 
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Why is faith seen as something sooo small in the parables of the mustard seed?

"It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth:" Mark 4:31
 
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Why is faith seen as something sooo small in the parables of the mustard seed?

"It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth:" Mark 4:31

I also looked into the mustard seed possibly being a different plant than I am familiar with, which is a small plant eaten like spinach and the seed is a yellowish little round seed that is used in making pickles. There are several different species of mustard and I did find one that grows to be a tree, but the point seems to be more comparison from tiny seed, although not literally the tiniest on earth, to huge plant or tree. Yeshua/Jesus used the mustard seed in illustrations in the style of proverbs to illustrate the point that a great amount of faith is not needed to deal with bitterness and unforgiveness, and that he was not speaking in a scientifically accurate sense.
 
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“Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief;” Mark 9:24 KJV

I meditated on this verse as well and asked the Holy Spirit to give me wisdom concerning it. What I understand that to mean is, "Lord, I know that You are able... but will you do it for me?"

It's that ol' battle of, "Do I deserve it?" That nagging question of doubt that insists we must earn the Lord's grace. But we could never earn such great love and mercy. It is a free gift.

Yes, Jesus is able and willing.
 
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“Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief;” Mark 9:24 KJV

I meditated on this verse as well and asked the Holy Spirit to give me wisdom concerning it. What I understand that to mean is, "Lord, I know that You are able... but will you do it for me?"

It's that ol' battle of, "Do I deserve it?" That nagging question of doubt that insists we must earn the Lord's grace. But we could never earn such great love and mercy. It is a free gift.

Yes, Jesus is able and willing.
Good intentions are not self works. We must respond to God's love and instructions according to all of His word, not just part of it saying to ourselves that some truths are past and not for us today. If we really want it we'll get it. If we don't feel it necessary to want it all, then we will probably not get it all.
"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." Jeremiah 29:13
 
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I also looked into the mustard seed possibly being a different plant than I am familiar with, which is a small plant eaten like spinach and the seed is a yellowish little round seed that is used in making pickles. There are several different species of mustard and I did find one that grows to be a tree, but the point seems to be more comparison from tiny seed, although not literally the tiniest on earth, to huge plant or tree. Yeshua/Jesus used the mustard seed in illustrations in the style of proverbs to illustrate the point that a great amount of faith is not needed to deal with bitterness and unforgiveness, and that he was not speaking in a scientifically accurate sense.
Good point, but I'm thinking about the mountain that I can move. Are these metaphorical spiritual mountains like tribulations? Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. LOL :p I'm not totally comprehending the spiritual meaning of the mustard seed.
 
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Good point, but I'm thinking about the mountain that I can move. Are these metaphorical spiritual mountains like tribulations? Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. LOL :p I'm not totally comprehending the spiritual meaning of the mustard seed.
Moving A Mountain
As I studied “unbelief” in Matthew 17:20 and in Luke 17:6, I wondered if there was more significance, a dual importance, to the mountain and the tree, as there often is in scripture (aside from being humanly impossible to move). As it turns out, there is more. The mountain teaches about faith/trust/belief and power, while the tree teaches about faith/trust/belief and forgiveness.

Obviously, we are not going to go out and physically move mountains – just think of the chaos that would ensue if I decided that I wanted Pike’s Peak to be moved here to Tennessee where I could enjoy its rugged beauty every day, and someone in Colorado wanted it left right where it is so he or she could enjoy it. Since God is a God of peace, not chaos, we know the mountain in Matthew 17 is a metaphor for a spiritual teaching.

The mountain represents a problem that doesn’t go away – maybe something deeply rooted in human nature or characteristics of a person or idiosyncrasies he or she may have. These things don’t just go away.

I would rather move a mountain than climb it. Mountaintop experiences are nice but that would mean there has to be a valley to climb out of, and I don’t much like those valleys. Another difficulty encountered when trying to climb out of the valley toward that nice mountaintop is that mountains are outside, obviously. That means that weather in the physical or comparable elements spiritually speaking, can make climbing nearly impossible. For example, rain on a literal mountainside would make it slippery and very hard to climb, but very easy to slip back down – known as backsliding in the spiritual sense.

Moving a mountain requires faith/trust…and power as Paul prayed for the Ephesians to have – the entire congregation, not just an individual. (Ephesians 1:16-21 and again in Ephesians 3:16) That suggests that the power is available to all believers, and the fact that we have so many mountains and so few mountaintop experiences in our lives indicates that we don’t tap on that power so readily available to us.

The means employed to move a spiritual mountain is prayer. But there must be some particular qualities of a prayer that powerful, or special characteristics of the person who prays it, if it is going to be effective. Yeshua’s disciples wrangled with that very issue in Matthew 17:21. I have too much experience to believe a quick request is all it takes to overcome some major obstacle in life.

So, I looked a little closer at what is probably the most well-known verse about prayer in the Bible, James 5:16. It begins by telling us to confess our faults/sins to one another and to pray for each other so that we may be healed. I suppose that would refer to physical healing as well, but I am inclined to believe that it is also spiritual healing. Now, depending upon which translation of the Bible is used, there are slight differences in how the second part is worded.
James 5:16b (KJV)
The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
James 5:16b (CJB)
The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
James 5:16b (Aramaic English New Testament)
For great is the power of the prayer which a righteous man prays.

I noticed that every one of them makes the point that the person doing the praying is “righteous” and the prayer itself is effective and powerful because of that fact. It does appear that the righteous have the belief/faith/trust which gives them the power of the kind of prayer that moves mountains – availeth much – is effective.

Belief/faith/trust should produce power to move mountains…

So, the next question is, what makes a person righteous?
And there is still that sycamine fig tree to look at…
 
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I also looked into the mustard seed possibly being a different plant than I am familiar with, which is a small plant eaten like spinach and the seed is a yellowish little round seed that is used in making pickles. There are several different species of mustard and I did find one that grows to be a tree, but the point seems to be more comparison from tiny seed, although not literally the tiniest on earth, to huge plant or tree. Yeshua/Jesus used the mustard seed in illustrations in the style of proverbs to illustrate the point that a great amount of faith is not needed to deal with bitterness and unforgiveness, and that he was not speaking in a scientifically accurate sense.
I had no idea about there being a mustard seed that grows to be a tree I actually planted some mustard seeds a few years ago. I wanted to see how they grow...they were just like your description. They weren't tree's but I learned from planting them. (Sometimes I think farmers have an edge!, they go through the whole process of plowing and sowing and reaping and winnowing.)

I love the comparisons of weather, the storms that arise or "tribulations," Jesus made comparisons, from discerning the times as discerning the weather, and the storms that beat upon the house built up on the rock, and the house built upon the sand.
The mountain teaches about faith/trust/belief and power, while the tree teaches about faith/trust/belief and forgiveness.
Really great examining of the details in the word! I've never considered those differences, and with a desire to be pleasing to God, these are very important. I went and read both passages you mentioned, great catch in the detail!

The first reminds me of what Jesus said, about when we bring our gifts to the alter having unforgiveness in our hearts. (Matt 5:24). The second reminds me of the Hebrew people in the wilderness where they all begin to wail over lack of faith, (even though they'd seen the mighty hand of God move so many times before.) But Caleb, I love what he said to them. "We are well able to over come it!" (Numbers 13:30)

The mountain represents a problem that doesn’t go away – maybe something deeply rooted in human nature or characteristics of a person or idiosyncrasies he or she may have. These things don’t just go away.
Like the Example in Numbers 13 again. It seems that unbelief affected the majority of people, but Caleb stood out in that he held to what He trusted/believed that God could do. It's sobering really, to know how much they witnesses and still had doubt. Also shows the importance of having our minds renewed in Christ.

Moving a mountain requires faith/trust…and power as Paul prayed for the Ephesians to have – the entire congregation, not just an individual. (Ephesians 1:16-21 and again in Ephesians 3:16) That suggests that the power is available to all believers, and the fact that we have so many mountains and so few mountaintop experiences in our lives indicates that we don’t tap on that power so readily available to us.

The means employed to move a spiritual mountain is prayer. But there must be some particular qualities of a prayer that powerful, or special characteristics of the person who prays it, if it is going to be effective. Yeshua’s disciples wrangled with that very issue in Matthew 17:21. I have too much experience to believe a quick request is all it takes to overcome some major obstacle in life.
Oh, this reminds me of 2 Chron 7:14. 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

So, the next question is, what makes a person righteous?
And there is still that sycamine fig tree to look at…
Amazing, I spent hours last night looking at verses that go into that subject, not knowing that you were going to share on this...Can't wait to read the next part! I'm so blessed by the details that you've dug into, it's given me some things to seek out, and to pray about. Thank you for sharing this.

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First of all, I believe we can only move those particular mountains that the Lord directs us to move.
For me, he told me that I had a "mountain" inside of me - a big rock blocking the flow of the Holy Spirit through me.

He told me what it was - so I literally drew it on a piece of paper as a big rock and labeled it. Then I confessed what I was holding onto, and spoke directly to it and told it it must leave in the name of Jesus. That it could no longer have any power in my life. I asked the Holy Spirit to remove it and fill the empty spot with His presence.

Very childish thing to do - but I had enough faith to speak to the mountain inside of me and tell it to go.

Then I drew an X over the big drawing of it - and continued to praise the Lord that He removed this mountain from my spirit. Sometimes you need a visual (or at least I do) to act as a reminder of what just happened.

Over time, I discovered that it REALLY was gone! I no longer had that particular sin in me as a stumbling block (rock).

For those of you who know me, you know I draw just about everything having to do with scripture. I'm a visual learner and it helps my faith.
 
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Maybe the mountian and the tree represent our own difficulties and or sometimes lack of faith....a thought occured to me while reading what you have written in the OP....that maybe the mountain and or tree represent the challenges that face all believers in thier own unique way....one man's mountain may be alcoholism, while another's may be anger related and or sexual perversion......to each individual believer their particular mountainous obstacle can only be overcome by faith.....

Just a point to ponder and to your grandson...SEMPER FI from one jar head to another ;)
 
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Maybe the mountian and the tree represent our own difficulties and or sometimes lack of faith....a thought occured to me while reading what you have written in the OP....that maybe the mountain and or tree represent the challenges that face all believers in thier own unique way....one man's mountain may be alcoholism, while another's may be anger related and or sexual perversion......to each individual believer their particular mountainous obstacle can only be overcome by faith.....

Just a point to ponder and to your grandson...SEMPER FI from one jar head to another ;)
I agree completely with what you said the mountains and trees are! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
 
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I had no idea about there being a mustard seed that grows to be a tree I actually planted some mustard seeds a few years ago. I wanted to see how they grow...they were just like your description. They weren't tree's but I learned from planting them. (Sometimes I think farmers have an edge!, they go through the whole process of plowing and sowing and reaping and winnowing.)
I think you're right about that! I had no gardening or farming experience when I was growing up in the city, but after marrying a farmer I learned a lot. Then after becoming a Christian a couple years after that, the insight he has provided along with watching Yahweh's handiwork throughout its cycles of growing and resting, how manure makes things grow well (like the hard things we go through as we proceed through our walk with Yeshua makes us grow spiritually!) and such, I Find that farmers do have a bit of an edge.
 
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First of all, I believe we can only move those particular mountains that the Lord directs us to move.
For me, he told me that I had a "mountain" inside of me - a big rock blocking the flow of the Holy Spirit through me.

He told me what it was - so I literally drew it on a piece of paper as a big rock and labeled it. Then I confessed what I was holding onto, and spoke directly to it and told it it must leave in the name of Jesus. That it could no longer have any power in my life. I asked the Holy Spirit to remove it and fill the empty spot with His presence.

Very childish thing to do - but I had enough faith to speak to the mountain inside of me and tell it to go.

Then I drew an X over the big drawing of it - and continued to praise the Lord that He removed this mountain from my spirit. Sometimes you need a visual (or at least I do) to act as a reminder of what just happened.

Over time, I discovered that it REALLY was gone! I no longer had that particular sin in me as a stumbling block (rock).

For those of you who know me, you know I draw just about everything having to do with scripture. I'm a visual learner and it helps my faith.
Thank you for your comments. Several months ago I had a similar experience, although I don't draw things out (I see why that would work for you though) and from it I learned another of those lessons that help keep me humble.
Being an observer of many conversations between Christians, where neither party could see the other’s point, showed me something I had often wondered about. I questioned why people couldn’t seem to follow another’s explanation of a given subject. The situation usually led to anger and sometimes, a parting of ways.
I realized then that people have very strongly embedded, preconceived ideas, or predetermined definitions of certain words (such as prodigal, for example), in their minds. This prevents them from learning and growing closer to God. It is easy to see this in others when they have an opinion, a belief about how some spiritual principle is and they just will not let go of it or even back off long enough to see the other person’s point.
Sad but true, this “irregularity” is much more difficult to see in ourselves. So, I asked Adonai, in all sincerity, to show me if I was holding on to some preconceived idea or favorite principle or belief that was retarding my quest to better know and have the mind of Christ as scripture tells us we should.
As often happens, He opened my eyes to an unexpected aspect of that principle of which I was guilty. And as was the case with some other lessons He taught me, this was also rather humiliating.
It was a terrible day – emotionally strenuous and exhausting. But by evening, I realized that in spite of feeling emotionally drained and worn out, God had answered my prayer of a day or two before, to show me anything in myself that I may not recognize as a hindrance to my spiritual growth – having the mind of Christ – becoming more Christ like, etc.
He showed me that my inferiority complex – my habit of thinking I am less intelligent, usually wrong, a bother to others, useless for anything substantial, and therefore less valuable (at the slightest provocation), hinders God’s working in me and through me to accomplish His plans for using me for His glory.
It is quite humiliating to have to admit all of this but it will help someone else, and that makes it worth it. The bottom line is this: to allow an “inferiority complex” to shape one’s self image is NOT the humility we are told to have as imitators of Christ. It is an exaggeration of the word “humble” which makes it a distortion. Therefore, it is sin. It is sin because that is not how God sees us. And it is every bit as wrong as having a lack of humility.
I wonder how many other traits we Christians have that don’t pop out as blatantly sinful.
 
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Why is faith seen as something sooo small in the parables of the mustard seed?

"It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth:" Mark 4:31
because faith is soooo small. (often non-existent). especially today. one of the first things yahshua god master king savior messiah
told his disciples (or want to be disciples)
was "you must give up everything to be my disciple" and HE MEANT WHAT HE SAID.

most people don't (ever in their life even) have enough faith to give up everything, so they never become his disciple. they never trust him enough. they never learn to rely on him as it is WRITTEN IN HIS WORD.

they just become members of a church that tells them they're going to be okay anyway and not to worry about it,

thus destroying(whenever possible) their chances to become jesus' disciple.(unless by grace yahweh draws them to himself)

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.............I wonder how many other traits we Christians have that don’t pop out as blatantly sinful.
a lot.
they are listed in the NT. (several lists). most churches never preach against them, because they practice them. but if you read the NT, you may see them, if GOD permits.
 
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because faith is soooo small. (often non-existent). especially today. one of the first things yahshua god master king savior messiah
told his disciples (or want to be disciples)
was "you must give up everything to be my disciple" and HE MEANT WHAT HE SAID.

most people don't (ever in their life even) have enough faith to give up everything, so they never become his disciple. they never trust him enough. they never learn to rely on him as it is WRITTEN IN HIS WORD.

they just become members of a church that tells them they're going to be okay anyway and not to worry about it,

thus destroying(whenever possible) their chances to become jesus' disciple.(unless by grace yahweh draws them to himself)

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a lot.
they are listed in the NT. (several lists). most churches never preach against them, because they practice them. but if you read the NT, you may see them, if GOD permits.
Thank you for your comments. I agree with what you say and have to say that I am so very thankful that those who seek Him - (Jeremiah 29:13 CJB) "When you seek me, you will find me, provided you seek for me wholeheartedly" (Key word wholeheartedly!) can by His grace and mercy, develop a much closer than average relationship with Yahweh.
 
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Amazing, I spent hours last night looking at verses that go into that subject, not knowing that you were going to share on this...Can't wait to read the next part! I'm so blessed by the details that you've dug into, it's given me some things to seek out, and to pray about. Thank you for sharing this.
The Sycamine Tree
After a long time of trying to determine exactly which tree was being talked about before digging into any particular spiritual significance for its use in the mustard seed passages, I have come to the conclusion that despite the different names for the tree used in various translations of the Bible, they are the same kind of tree.

The sycamine tree of Palestine belongs to the fig tree family and is very similar in appearance to the mulberry fig. Even the fruit of the two trees is identical looking, but the taste of the fruit is the distinguishing factor. The mulberry fig fruit is very sweet as well as very expensive, well beyond the means of the multitudes of poor people. However, the plentiful, therefore cheap, very bitter sycamine fig, eaten by the poor folks, has some characteristics that make it a good metaphor for teaching biblical concepts.

The apostles were getting a lesson on forgiveness in Luke 17 and realized that forgiving someone seven times in one day, etc. as Yeshua/Jesus was teaching them, required more faith than they thought they had and asked Yeshua to increase their faith. It is at this point that He brings up the sycamine fig tree in relation to forgiveness.

The fruit of the sycamine fig is so extremely bitter that it can’t be eaten all at one sitting. The person who ate a sycamine fig had to take a nibble, wait for a while, and then take another small bite. This is likely why Yeshua chose it for this lesson, since forgiveness is challenging enough as it is, but seven times in one day is a very bitter pill to swallow – or should I say, a very bitter fig to nibble on?

The sycamine tree grew very quickly to a height of thirty feet or more and was known to have one of the deepest root structures of all trees in the Middle East. Because its roots went down so deep into the earth, it would draw from underground sources of water making it very difficult to kill because it would keep resurfacing, even when cutting it off at its base. This makes it a perfect choice to explain how bitterness and unforgiveness grow so quickly and how deeply rooted in the human heart they can be.

Similarities of the sycamine fig and bitterness and unforgiveness:
Both must be dealt with clear to the roots or they will keep springing up again and again.
The sycamine tree grows quickly where water is scarce just as does bitterness and unforgiveness grow quickly in
spiritually dry conditions where negative emotions thrive. People who have rejected the “rain” of God’s Word
become bitter and unforgiving, chewing on their bitter feelings, like the bitter sycamine fig fruit, for a long
time, and returning to nibble another small bite of bitter fruit over and over again.
The poor, who ate the bitter fruit so slowly, are like those who bitterly meditate on all of the wrongs they have
experienced, and that makes them also poor in grace.
Those deep roots of the sycamine fig tree resemble those roots of bitterness and unforgiveness that lie hidden
deep in a person’s heart that are so hard to kill. The longer the roots grow deeper for more water, the harder the tree (bitterness of heart) is to destroy. For this reason we are warned in Hebrews 12:15.

I found it interesting to compare these different translations of that verse…
Hebrews 12:15 (KJV)
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Hebrews 12:15 (Complete Jewish Bible)
See to it that no one misses out on God's grace, that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble and thus contaminates many,
Hebrews 12:15 (Aramaic English New Testament)
And be careful or else any be found among you destitute of the grace of Elohim; or else some root of bitterness shoot forth germs and trouble you, and thereby many be defiled:

One other interesting thing I found about the sycamine tree is that it is not naturally pollinated. Pollination only took place when a wasp stuck its stinger right into the heart of the fruit. The tree and its fruit had to be “stung” in order to be reproduced. That reminded me of the phrase being “stung” by someone as a bitter remark for having had a bad experience dealing with another.
 
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the disciples , it seems from scripture, did not have deep roots of bitterness nor of unforgiveness.

neither, for another example,

did the righteous gentiles or people of other nations , as they observed TORAH , and/or

as they followed YAHWEH or JESUS or JESUS' DISCIPLES.....

forgiving not just 7 times, but 70 times 7, even in an hour, or one day, is required by GOD'S WORD,

not just for us (born in HIM) toward others, but also for GOD toward us !!!!!

and as JESUS HIMSELF SAYS, his commandments (including forgiving), are not burdensome....

but righteousness, peace and joy ! (sheer joy in forgiving others, as we are forgiven, so desperately needed)
 
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i keep praying for a couple guys i work with. Then asking God to help me respond more like Jesus would, when they start getting under my skin, being lazy, and mouthy. Then when it happens again i respond in the flesh again, like me responding to the flesh with the flesh is going to do any good, but i do, but i hope i'm getting better. i want to be more loving, but the ways of this world have made it so hard, and then i remember, those that endure to the end will be saved, and we need to remember vengeance belongs to the LORD.