Glory of God

[Chica]

I was reading in the Ezekiel 10 how the glory of God departed from Solomon's Temple. The fact that the Spirit of God was not present in the temple explains how Nebuchadnezzar's men were able in 586 B.C. to destroy the temple completely, including the Holy of Holies without divine judgement.

That brought up somthing I have wondered about. Why is it that some Christian writers refer to the Glory of God as the "shekinah glory" when the word shekinah is no where to be found in the OT?

My understanding is that it has its roots in the Jewish writings such as the Targums and the Kaballah which is Jewish magic.

 

[Yet]

Google it.

 

[Chica]

Google it.

I thought the purpose of this forum was to get input from other Christians not Google.

 

[MarcR]

SHECHINAH

Shechi'nah

[some Shech'inah; also written Shekinah] (in Chaldee and Neo-Hebrew Shekinah', שְׁכינָה
, strictly residence, i.e. of God, his visible presence, from שָׁכַן
, to dwell), a word not found in the Bible, but used by the later Jews, and borrowed by Christians from them, to express the visible majesty of the Divine Presence, especially when resting or dwelling between the cherubim on the mercy seat in the tabernacle and in the Temple of Solomon; but not in Zerubbabels temple, for it was one of the five particulars which the Jews reckon to have been wanting in the second Temple (Castell, Lexic. s.v.; Prideaux, Connect. 1, 138).

1. Rabbinical import. — The use of the term is first found in the Targums, where it forms a frequent periphrasis for God, considered as dwelling among the children of Israel, and is thus used, especially by Onkelos, to avoid ascribing corporeity to God himself, as Castell tells us, and may be compared to the analogous periphrasis so frequent in the Targum of Jonathan, "the Word of the Lord." Many Christian writers have thought that this threefold expression for the Deity the Lord, the Word of the Lord, and the Shechinah indicates the knowledge of a trinity of persons in the Godhead, and accordingly, following some Rabbinical writers, identify the Shechinah with the Holy Spirit. Others, however, deny this (Calmet, Dict. of the Bible; Saubert [Joh.], On the Logos, § 19, in Critic. Sacr.; Glass, Philolog. acr. v, 1; 7, etc.).
(from McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)


I hope this helps

 

[Joidevivre]

Whatever you want to call it, God's glory is the divine essence of Himself. Wherever He is, so is the glory. His glory is His "weight" of His splendor and majesty. This glory was also completely and directly revealed through Jesus Christ - God Himself in human form.

The glory of God is also called the Shekinah glory which is translated "dwelt" or "tabernacle". God's presence among men.

Since God taberncles in us now - we should have His glory shine out of us. We must be totally surrendered, allow the Holy Spirit to purge and sanctify us - and we must bear the image of Christ. For it is the spirit of Christ in us who receives the glory and radiates it out from us.

I Cor. 6:20 Glorify God in your body and in your spirit.
I Cor. 10:31 Whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the GLORY of God.

 

[crossnote]

Whatever you want to call it, God's glory is the divine essence of Himself. Wherever He is, so is the glory. His glory is His "weight" of His splendor and majesty. This glory was also completely and directly revealed through Jesus Christ - God Himself in human form.

The glory of God is also called the Shekinah glory which is translated "dwelt" or "tabernacle". God's presence among men.

Since God taberncles in us now - we should have His glory shine out of us. We must be totally surrendered, allow the Holy Spirit to purge and sanctify us - and we must bear the image of Christ. For it is the spirit of Christ in us who receives the glory and radiates it out from us.

I Cor. 6:20 Glorify God in your body and in your spirit.
I Cor. 10:31 Whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the GLORY of God.

nicely said...

Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, and he sustains all things by his powerful word, and so when he had accomplished cleansing for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

 

[crossnote]

I tried adding (before the 5 min. hand slapper)...

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[Chica]

Thanks MarcR, The use of this term bothers me because Jews attribute it to a suposed feminine aspect of God.

I think if my memory serves me, it was in Alexandria Egypt that this thinking first came about and I believe I read somewhere that the Roman Catholic Church believes that Mary is the dove in the trinity.

 

[CRC]

The Aramaic Targums. The Aramaic word for “interpretation” or “paraphrase” is targum. From Nehemiah’s time forward, Aramaic came to be used as the common language of many of the Jews living in the territory of Persia, and so it was necessary to accompany readings of the Hebrew Scriptures with translations into that language. They likely assumed their present final form no earlier than about the fifth century C.E. Though they are only loose paraphrases of the Hebrew text, and not an accurate translation, they supply a rich background to the text and give aid in determining some difficult passages.

 

[didymos]

...Why is it that some Christian writers refer to the Glory of God as the "shekinah glory" when the word shekinah is no where to be found in the OT?

My understanding is that it has its roots in the Jewish writings such as the Targums and the Kaballah which is Jewish magic.

That or in good old judaizerism (or in both).

 

[Chica]

Whatever you want to call it, God's glory is the divine essence of Himself. Wherever He is, so is the glory. His glory is His "weight" of His splendor and majesty. This glory was also completely and directly revealed through Jesus Christ - God Himself in human form.

The glory of God is also called the Shekinah glory which is translated "dwelt" or "tabernacle". God's presence among men.

Since God taberncles in us now - we should have His glory shine out of us. We must be totally surrendered, allow the Holy Spirit to purge and sanctify us - and we must bear the image of Christ. For it is the spirit of Christ in us who receives the glory and radiates it out from us.

I Cor. 6:20 Glorify God in your body and in your spirit.
I Cor. 10:31 Whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the GLORY of God.

Thanks for your reply. My point is that certain things that come from Judaism are not beneficial for Christian usage.

 

[Joidevivre]

Thanks for your reply. My point is that certain things that come from Judaism are not beneficial for Christian usage.

Now I'm curious. What would not be beneficial to use? Or in other words, harmful to use? Does it matter what you call His glory? Glory is glory. And using the word Shekinah does not change the meaning or intent. I like to use the word because it somehow gives it depth. I could just as easily say radiant glory instead. Or glory added to glory.

 

[Vernon]

Thanks MarcR, The use of this term bothers me because Jews attribute it to a suposed feminine aspect of God.

I think if my memory serves me, it was in Alexandria Egypt that this thinking first came about and I believe I read somewhere that the Roman Catholic Church believes that Mary is the dove in the trinity.

Mary is no part of the Trinity, probably read that in a SDA pamphlet

 

[Chica]

Now I'm curious. What would not be beneficial to use? Or in other words, harmful to use? Does it matter what you call His glory? Glory is glory. And using the word Shekinah does not change the meaning or intent. I like to use the word because it somehow gives it depth. I could just as easily say radiant glory instead. Or glory added to glory.

Your obvously not aware that Judaism reveres their extra-biblical writings of their rabbi's over the written word. Like I pointed out to MarcR, The use of this term bothers me because Jews attribute it to a suposed feminine aspect of God.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Your obvously not aware that Judaism reveres their extra-biblical writings of their rabbi's over the written word. Like I pointed out to MarcR, The use of this term bothers me because Jews attribute it to a suposed feminine aspect of God.

Why are you worried about what the rabbi's say? The word of God is pretty clear and the word is used in the OT.

 

[MarcR]

Thanks MarcR, The use of this term bothers me because Jews attribute it to a suposed feminine aspect of God.

I think if my memory serves me, it was in Alexandria Egypt that this thinking first came about and I believe I read somewhere that the Roman Catholic Church believes that Mary is the dove in the trinity.

McClintock & Strong attribute the word to the Persian Jewish community at the time of Nehemiah & Zerubbabel.

Trinity and rapture are two other extra-biblical but useful words.

You don't need extra-Biblical words to find allusion to feminine attributes of God:

Mt 23:37
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
KJV


Isa 49:13-16
13 Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the Lord hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.
14 But Zion said, The Lord hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.
15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.
16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.
KJV



If we drop every word twisted by the RCC inappropriately we will shrink the English Language by 5-10%.

Evangelical Christianity does not associate visual evidence of God's presence with Mary.


I have seen believers of both genders witness and their faces begin to visibly glow as visible evidence of God's presence. Could this not be true shechinah glory?

 

[Chica]

McClintock & Strong attribute the word to the Persian Jewish community at the time of Nehemiah & Zerubbabel.

Trinity and rapture are two other extra-biblical but useful words.

You don't need extra-Biblical words to find allusion to feminine attributes of God:

Mt 23:37
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
KJV


Isa 49:13-16
13 Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the Lord hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.
14 But Zion said, The Lord hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.
15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.
16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.
KJV



If we drop every word twisted by the RCC inappropriately we will shrink the English Language by 5-10%.

Evangelical Christianity does not associate visual evidence of God's presence with Mary.


I have seen believers of both genders witness and their faces begin to visibly glow as visible evidence of God's presence. Could this not be true shechinah glory?

A chicken! Your using a chicken to prove there are feminine aspects to God, don't you think Jesus was talking in a poetic sense?. Geeeeez And how do they know to attribute it to the Persian Jewish community at the time of Nehemiah & Zerubbabel ?

 

[Chica]

Why are you worried about what the rabbi's say? The word of God is pretty clear and the word is used in the OT.

I'm not worried, but, if their wrong on such a major point why trust them on anything?

 

[MarcR]

Chica,


a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,is a figure of a mother's watchful protection. Isn't a hen still female? God chose the figure of a hen; I only cited it!

You usually are more open to real communication than that!

Certainly the Isaiah reference is NOT as easily dismissed.


Please respond to the general intent of the post instead of picking out snippits to argue with.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

I'm not worried, but, if their wrong on such a major point why trust them on anything?

What does God's word say? that is the only thing you need.