Abraham's bosom

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student

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So...I'm wondering...Abraham's bosom was a place...not a position, per say. When Jesus redeemed us from the curse, he opened the vault and let his people go home. In a popular song from the '70's there's a particular verse that solidifies this theory of theology. Listen ye nations of the world...Jacob is free again. Not one of God's people had or could have gone to heaven prior to Jesus' sacrifice. Hence, Abraham's bosom was the waiting place. For contemplative Christians, ironically, earth is now the waiting place. I'll stop there. Discussion?
The Rich Man and Lazarus
Luke Chapter 16 : 19

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
 
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Some people will call this teaching allegory, not believing its Literal, but it is... Abraham's bosom, was located in a place the Hebrew's define as Sheol, the one side(A.B) contained the Righteous Dead, those who departed before Christ's appeasment, and the other side, where the wicked departed spirits went to after death, and STILL GO TO UPON physical Death, Jesus Taught of a Big Gulf or Chasm separating the 2 compartments of Sheol. this chasm unable to cross. He led Captivity Captive is what David speaks about in the Psalms, which was pointing towards Christ's Release of those occupants of Abraham's Bosom when He went back to Paradise after His Resurrection. These in Abrham's Bosom, were waiting for Christ and His Victory. He led them out of Abrahams bosom leading Captivity Captive, those there prior to Christ's Appeasement and Victory are NOW in Paradise with Christ. Sheol in the OT is what Hades is referrred to in the New Testament. someone tranlated Hades as 'hell' and its a terrible translation. Hades is the side of Sheol that holds the Wicked Departed Spirits, the unsaved, the damned , waiting to be resurrected unto the Resurrection of Damnation. Christ will call them up out of that place one Day... they will hear His Voice and come forth. for Judgement. at the End of all things.. Hades will itself be cast into Gehenna Fire, when Christ makes all things new! indeed!

found this a Rendition of the putting off the tabernacle, spirit soul separating from the flesh/bone upon physical death, cast down , this one not going to Abraham's bosom, but to the wicked side.. for torment and then Resurrection at some point to the resurection of damnation.


hades bound.jpg
 

student

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Thanks. I appreciate your thorough response and biblical expertise. Be blessed!
 
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bowh.... shows he doesn't know the TRUTH again..... (just mentioning this because he tries to thwart others speaking the TRUTH from GOD'S WORD.... so, head's up, and pray!)...


look up lazarus and e.w.bullinger online.... it is also posted elsewhere on cc dot com (this forum)...

the 'churches' haven't known the truth ever since the rcc corrupted it. until yahweh revealed it to a few,
and it
is known, from yahweh's word, today.
 
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Thanks. I appreciate your thorough response and biblical expertise. Be blessed!

Thanks, Im no expert, just a simple outdoors man who loves bowhunting and fishing, and has been Touched by His Grace and Righteousness , been 21 years, and its still as Fresh today as it was back then.. indeed! Have a Wonderful weekend! and Remember , wherever you Go, whatever you do, He is there with you and He loves you!

Whither shall I go from thy Spirit? or whither shall I flee from Thy Presence?
If I ascend up into Heaven, thou Art there: if I make my bed in hell , behold, thou Art there.
If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
Even there shall Thy Hand lead me, and Thy Right Hand shall hold me. Psalm 139
 
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bowh.... shows he doesn't know the TRUTH again..... (just mentioning this because he tries to thwart others speaking the TRUTH from GOD'S WORD.... so, head's up, and pray!)...


look up lazarus and e.w.bullinger online.... it is also posted elsewhere on cc dot com (this forum)...

the 'churches' haven't known the truth ever since the rcc corrupted it. until yahweh revealed it to a few,
and it
is known, from yahweh's word, today.

You need to be Born Again Jeff 56... lolz.. smh.. I know who you are...oh believe me... your master knows who I am.. indeed...
 
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bowh.... shows he doesn't know the TRUTH again..... (just mentioning this because he tries to thwart others speaking the TRUTH from GOD'S WORD.... so, head's up, and pray!)...


look up lazarus and e.w.bullinger online.... it is also posted elsewhere on cc dot com (this forum)...

the 'churches' haven't known the truth ever since the rcc corrupted it. until yahweh revealed it to a few,
and it
is known, from yahweh's word, today.
sorry Jefff 56 Im not associated with churches, nor the RCC, so you accusation OR presumptuousness has no claim. and no merit, even your father, knows that, oh yes.. and thats not God the FAther, you do the deeds of your father the devil, sorry.. you need to Repent, and Believe the Good News, the Kingdom of Heaven is at HAND!....


And as He said these things unto them, the Scribes(jeff56) and the Pharisees began to urge Him vehemently, and to Provoke Him to speak of many things:
 
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Some people will call this teaching allegory, not believing its Literal, but it is... Abraham's bosom, was located in a place the Hebrew's define as Sheol, the one side(A.B) contained the Righteous Dead, those who departed before Christ's appeasment, and the other side, where the wicked departed spirits went to after death, and STILL GO TO UPON physical Death, Jesus Taught of a Big Gulf or Chasm separating the 2 compartments of Sheol. this chasm unable to cross. He led Captivity Captive is what David speaks about in the Psalms, which was pointing towards Christ's Release of those occupants of Abraham's Bosom when He went back to Paradise after His Resurrection. These in Abrham's Bosom, were waiting for Christ and His Victory. He led them out of Abrahams bosom leading Captivity Captive, those there prior to Christ's Appeasement and Victory are NOW in Paradise with Christ. Sheol in the OT is what Hades is referrred to in the New Testament. someone tranlated Hades as 'hell' and its a terrible translation. Hades is the side of Sheol that holds the Wicked Departed Spirits, the unsaved, the damned , waiting to be resurrected unto the Resurrection of Damnation. Christ will call them up out of that place one Day... they will hear His Voice and come forth. for Judgement. at the End of all things.. Hades will itself be cast into Gehenna Fire, when Christ makes all things new! indeed!

found this a Rendition of the putting off the tabernacle, spirit soul separating from the flesh/bone upon physical death, cast down , this one not going to Abraham's bosom, but to the wicked side.. for torment and then Resurrection at some point to the resurection of damnation.


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Sheol is consider also to be the grave of those who died in Christ waiting for Him to resurrect them to live again when He comes the second time for those who loved and lived according to His precious word.
 
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yes, you've shown yourself 'sorry' several times, especially today.

if you bother to search for the TRUTH, perhaps you will be permitted to find it. perhaps not.

you don't have to be associated with the rcc nor with the churches to believe the lies and falsehoods you've posted just today.

for that matter, anyone can search for the truth, and yahweh may grant it to them.

it's not that hard when someone WANTS to know the truth.

for now, you have it way way wrong... and yes again, are sorry.... so sorry....

if there was a claim, it was simply that you ... well... i'll doublecheck first.... then might get back...
no need to.
sorry ...Im not associated with churches, nor the RCC, so you accusation OR presumptuousness has no claim......:
 
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okay, just doublechecked.... i never claimed nor presumed that you had anything to do with the rcc nor with some other churches.... your post is entirely fictitious and in error. (and your previous posts also, as you contradicted scripture, simply. )
 

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do we understand the definition of a parable???
 
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Student,

Don't let yourself get your leg pulled. The entire scenario of this is a PARABLE. And no part of any parable is to be picked apart to try and prove some points of literal fact. A parable is not for that, and you will only end up confusing and deluding yourself if you attempt to make it happen.

A parable has but one aim, to dramatically make a point the teller is trying to make.

Jesus is NOT describing Heaven, nor hell. He is merely showing that because of how these two men lived their lives, the positions they held in life were drastically reversed in death. The poor beggar was now blessed and honored, and the haughty rich man was now destitute, with no hope left.
 
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MarcR

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Jeff,

God is far more competent than you are to protect His Church from heresy from the RCC and the Hebrew Roots movement.



Concerning 'Yahweh' This excerpt from my post on another forum might interest you.


I watched the first part of Yoseph's presentation, using internet explorer. Most of his grammatical teachings were correct; but when he asserts that יהוה is the imperfect (future) of הוה that is the way Hebrew usually behaves; but not with this word.
יהוהis the present tense and היית is the (feminine ) imperfect. Yoseph is also correct that the pointing of adonay is not precisely identical with YHVH. יְהוָה֥

the yod in YHVH is pointed with a shvah while the aleph in adonay is pointed with a composite patah, which is comprised of the necessary shvah and a patah to give sound to the otherwise silent aleph. the first hay in YHVH is unpointed; while the dahlet in adonay is pointed with a cholem (which is inherent in the vahv). The vahv in YHVH is pointed with a quamets as is the nun in adonay. The second hay in YHVH and the yod in adonay are both unpointed. Because the vahv in YHVH has a quamets, it must function as a consonant and begin a sylable; but a yod pointed with a shvah before an unpointed hay is totally unpronounceable!
 
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do you choose instead of "exposing the works of darkness" , to participate with them ?

HIS WORD says not to have anything to do with the works of darkness (of which the rcc is overwhelmingly the biggest destroyer of souls on earth for the last 2000 years)
but rather to expose them.

i have no idea how much you are into the hebrew roots movement, but it doesn't matter ---
better just leave it at that; whether they're responsible for some of your errant posts, or not.... doesn't really matter.... if you seek the truth, finally, you may find it.
 

WebersHome

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Fiction can be defined as stories about people and events that, though
untrue; are plausible; viz: realistic.

Fantasy can be defined as stories about people and events that are not only
untrue; but implausible; viz: unrealistic.

For example: a story about a boy like Pinocchio is unrealistic; while a story
about a boy with autism is realistic. The difference between Pinocchio and a
boy with autism is that the one is compatible with normal reality; while the
other is far removed from normal reality.

I have yet to read even one of Jesus Christ's parables that could not possibly
be a real-life story. They're all actually quite believable. Now; if he had told
one that alleged the moon was made of green cheese; we would have good
reason to believe that at least that one was fantasy; but none of them are
like that. At best; Christ's parables might qualify as fiction; but never
fantasy because none of them are so far removed from normal reality that
there is no possible chance of it ever being true.

Luke 16:19-31 is commonly alleged to be a parable; which of course implies
that the story is fiction; and some would even say fantasy. But the parable
theory has a fatal flaw. Abraham is not a fictional character: he's a real-life
man; held in very high esteem by at least three of the world's prominent
religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. And he's also the friend of God
(Isa 41:8). I simply cannot believe that Jesus Christ-- a man famous among
normal Christians for his honesty and integrity --would say something untrue
about a famous real-life man; especially about one of his Father's buddies.

And on top of that, the story quotes Abraham a number of times. Well; if the
story is fiction, then Jesus Christ is on record testifying that Abraham said
things that he didn't really say; which is a clear violation of the
commandment that prohibits bearing false witness.

There is something else to consider.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus didn't originate with Jesus Christ. No,
it originated with his Father. In other words: Jesus Christ was micro
managed.

†. John 3:34 . . He is sent by God. He speaks God's words

†. John 8:26 . . He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those
things which I have heard of Him.

†. John 8:28 . . I do nothing on my own initiative, but I speak these things
as the Father taught me.

†. John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

†. John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
sent me.

So, by implying that Luke 16:19-31 is false, the parable theory insinuates
that God is a person of marginal integrity who can't be trusted to tell the
truth about people, not even about His own friends, which is ridiculous
seeing as how Titus 1:2 and Heb 6:18 testify that God cannot lie.

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yahshua spoke exactly what abba gave him to speak,

and thus abba yahweh turned the tales(literally, in spirit, straightaway) on those yahshua was speaking to,

for those who recognize the TRUTH, simple and true, like a little child ABBA is speaking to NOW, TODAY

the TRUTH is simple, and even OH! SO OBVIOUS >>

The Rich Man and Lazarus by E.W. BULLINGER
 
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Abraham's bosom, was a figure of speech. Used over forty times it meant to be held close by ones side, cradled if you will. Abraham had not received the promises while alive, but was told his descendants would inherit a land forever, which would involve eternal life. Abraham was looking forward to a heavenly home, and did not receive it on Earth or while he was alive only after death. To say Abraham was not in the heavenly promised land that God had given him denies scripture. Abraham's bosom wasn't a place, but a figure of speech used at that time. Abraham did receive the promise after death and was justified in being there by the coming of Christ. So to promise Abraham a land that he and his descendants would live in forever, meant an eternal home, and those of his faith, and are born of God are his children and receive that promise. The rich man represented the jews, with their royalty at that time while Lazarus was referenced with the dogs, symbolizing the lower class of gentiles who were not considered Chosen by the Jews of that time.

The parable was a prophesy about God choosing the poor, beggar, with the dogs, over those who considered themselves royalty and Rightoues by their law.
 
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Abraham's bosom, was a figure of speech. Used over forty times it meant to be held close by ones side, cradled if you will. Abraham had not received the promises while alive, but was told his descendants would inherit a land forever, which would involve eternal life. Abraham was looking forward to a heavenly home, and did not receive it on Earth or while he was alive only after death. To say Abraham was not in the heavenly promised land that God had given him denies scripture. Abraham's bosom wasn't a place, but a figure of speech used at that time. Abraham did receive the promise after death and was justified in being there by the coming of Christ. So to promise Abraham a land that he and his descendants would live in forever, meant an eternal home, and those of his faith, and are born of God are his children and receive that promise. The rich man represented the jews, with their royalty at that time while Lazarus was referenced with the dogs, symbolizing the lower class of gentiles who were not considered Chosen by the Jews of that time.

The parable was a prophesy about God choosing the poor, beggar, with the dogs, over those who considered themselves royalty and Rightoues by their law.
Did you say the phrase "Abraham's Bosom" was used more than 40 times in the Bible?