A serious “Oh My God” moment is coming to the United States

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With the United States today dominating world affairs and with most world trends indicating that fulfillment of end time Bible prophecy is imminent, one has to wonder why the Bible is silent about this overwhelming superpower. The likely reason is that at the time of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy the United States is no longer a superpower. The superpowers the Bible does mention are one from the utter most parts of the North (Russia with her allies), a revived Roman Empire (Europe and some of the Middle East), the kings of the East (China and other nations from the East. Kings is plural), the king of the South (an African alliance of nations) and Babylon The Great (the final world empire of the Beast with headquarters in Babylon, Iraq). The United States cannot be identified as any of these end time world powers.

Many in the U.S. think that America is a Christian nation and that God will not allow any major judgment to come to her. That theory fails for a couple of reasons. The United States is not really a Christian nation. The United States has taken the God of Christianity out of just about everything and has inserted materialism, paganism and every lust anyone can imagine in His place. As Billy Graham was reported to have once said, "If God does not judge America He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah".

True Christians all over the world in many countries are suffering and being persecuted or killed. In reality, there are more true Christians in China than there are in the United States but the persecution against Christians in China continues. God promises to be with Christian believers through the troubles of this world; He does not promise believers the security of long life in the flesh.
It is true that God knows how to deliver His people when they please Him and when it is to their spiritual benefit that He do so. However, God may not deliver people who are identified with his name but insist on living in a sinful lifestyle. God's Church is perfected by suffering because when she gets rich and comfortable she becomes like her mother, ancient Israel. She believes she acquired it by her own idols and own efforts and she forgets the God who redeemed her. Such is the nature of the carnal man. The Laodicean church of Revelation was rich and thought they were in need of nothing, but were actually spiritually poor and blind and in darkness. This is also the state of most of those who identify with Christianity in the United States of America today.

America for the most part has now turned her back on God. Ancient Israel was God's people, but the majority of its citizens fell into corruption and God judged the whole nation and sent the whole nation into exile including the true faithful Jews within her. What then makes the United States of America exempt from judgment because it also has "some" true believers?

If it is correct that the United States is not in Bible prophecy, and is no longer a world superpower when the end time events occur, the question one might ask is how does the fall of the United States happen? The imminent dangers are clear and present for the United States of America before the biblical tribulation.

I believe Biblical prophecies indicate the great tribulation and the “fall” of the United States will come before any “rapture.”

Matthew 24:3-4, and 21-29
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
 
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I have been surprised at the speed of the decline in the US which appears to have accelerated since Mr Obama first came to office. You are fast catching up with secular Britain.

I fear for the secular world...I fear for the world.
 
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In total agreement because dark days are coming for America and a collapse. America god is Mammon! Even some churches(Christians) are worshiping this god called Mammon. Pagan practices are among America people, symbolism, media, churches, witchcraft, teaching the children about wizardry(Harry Potter classes), demonic writings in books, warlocks, and witches. Do not speak about the public education system!!! Nation of Heathens!!

Seven princes of hell:



Dictionaries - Easton's Bible Dictionary - Mammon
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Mammon[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [N] [H] [/FONT]a Chaldee or Syriac word meaning "wealth" or "riches" ( Luke 16:9-11 ); also, by personification, the god of riches (Matthew 6:24 ; Luke 16:9-11 )
Mammon - Definition and Meaning, Bible Dictionary


  1. Mammon /ˈmæmən/, in the New Testament of theBible, is greed or material wealth, and in the Middle Ages was often personified as a deity, and sometimes included in the seven princes of Hell. 1909 painting The Worship of Mammon by Evelyn De Morgan.
 
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With the United States today dominating world affairs and with most world trends indicating that fulfillment of end time Bible prophecy is imminent, one has to wonder why the Bible is silent about this overwhelming superpower. The likely reason is that at the time of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy the United States is no longer a superpower. The superpowers the Bible does mention are one from the utter most parts of the North (Russia with her allies), a revived Roman Empire (Europe and some of the Middle East), the kings of the East (China and other nations from the East. Kings is plural), the king of the South (an African alliance of nations) and Babylon The Great (the final world empire of the Beast with headquarters in Babylon, Iraq). The United States cannot be identified as any of these end time world powers.

Many in the U.S. think that America is a Christian nation and that God will not allow any major judgment to come to her. That theory fails for a couple of reasons. The United States is not really a Christian nation. The United States has taken the God of Christianity out of just about everything and has inserted materialism, paganism and every lust anyone can imagine in His place. As Billy Graham was reported to have once said, "If God does not judge America He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah".

True Christians all over the world in many countries are suffering and being persecuted or killed. In reality, there are more true Christians in China than there are in the United States but the persecution against Christians in China continues. God promises to be with Christian believers through the troubles of this world; He does not promise believers the security of long life in the flesh.
It is true that God knows how to deliver His people when they please Him and when it is to their spiritual benefit that He do so. However, God may not deliver people who are identified with his name but insist on living in a sinful lifestyle. God's Church is perfected by suffering because when she gets rich and comfortable she becomes like her mother, ancient Israel. She believes she acquired it by her own idols and own efforts and she forgets the God who redeemed her. Such is the nature of the carnal man. The Laodicean church of Revelation was rich and thought they were in need of nothing, but were actually spiritually poor and blind and in darkness. This is also the state of most of those who identify with Christianity in the United States of America today.

America for the most part has now turned her back on God. Ancient Israel was God's people, but the majority of its citizens fell into corruption and God judged the whole nation and sent the whole nation into exile including the true faithful Jews within her. What then makes the United States of America exempt from judgment because it also has "some" true believers?

If it is correct that the United States is not in Bible prophecy, and is no longer a world superpower when the end time events occur, the question one might ask is how does the fall of the United States happen? The imminent dangers are clear and present for the United States of America before the biblical tribulation.

I believe Biblical prophecies indicate the great tribulation and the “fall” of the United States will come before any “rapture.”

Matthew 24:3-4, and 21-29
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
You only touched on the real point and it is the only real point. Most of the protestant churches in the USA think they are immune to Bible prophecy.
 
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You only touched on the real point and it is the only real point. Most of the protestant churches in the USA think they are immune to Bible prophecy.
'most' of the protestant churches in the United States don't agree with one another on what Bible prophecy says.
 
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The decline of America did not start with President Obama and he is following orders of those in high places of darkness. Remember President Obama, he is related to few of former presidents because it is a family affair. The joke is on the masses of folks there is no two parties just one party. Slavery for the masses of folks globally. America folks are sleepers, zombies, walking dead, confuse, distractions, mind controlled by television, media, subliminal messages, and chattel to the ELITE! The ELITE knows how to control the masses of folks in America because the chattel still do not understand the tactics of the Elite.

1. Noticed that dividing the races with hatred tactics are powerful. Racism is a strategy for the Elite. Divide and Conquer

2. Blamed the immigrants for America economic collapse. How many Americans are going to be in the hot sun bagging vegetables or fruit. Americans desire those low paying jobs?

3. Blame the MUSLIMS for everything

4. Blame the homosexuals

5. Blame the BLACK MAN for all the ills of society when the BLACK MAN has no economic power.

6. Blame the WOMAN because she ate the fruit from the tree.

7. Blame Satan or the devil for woes, chaos or ills of the world when the man is making the decision within his heart to do wrong. Man became his own god in the Garden blame the woman for his decision.

All the famous pastors are quiet of the ills of world because they are part of the CORRUPT SYSTEM!

Evilness begins in the heart of man.

I weep for the liberty of my country when I see at this early day of its successful experiment that corruption has been imputed to many members of the House of Representatives, and the rights of the people have been bartered for promises of office.
Andrew Jackson

It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes.
Andrew Jackson


 
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I have been surprised at the speed of the decline in the US which appears to have accelerated since Mr Obama first came to office. You are fast catching up with secular Britain.

I fear for the secular world...I fear for the world.
As you and I know the old saying concerning the UK was "the Sun never sets on the British Empire", that is not so true, there's is the Falklands, but that is not a country, but the old Empire is old and the old gray mare ain't what she used to be.
 
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You only touched on the real point and it is the only real point. Most of the protestant churches in the USA think they are immune to Bible prophecy.
What are your thoughts on how the United States used to be morally Bible oriented (for the most part) during WW2 and in the short span of 70 to 80 years, we have become so corrupt? Does it have something to do with the lack of moral Godly teaching that emanates from the modern church in the last half century ya think? How did the corruption take such a hold without it being put into check? I have many questions about how we got to this point.
 
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Many in the U.S. think that America is a Christian nation and that God will not allow any major judgment to come to her. That theory fails for a couple of reasons. The United States is not really a Christian nation. The United States has taken the God of Christianity out of just about everything and has inserted materialism, paganism and every lust anyone can imagine in His place. As Billy Graham was reported to have once said, "If God does not judge America He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah".
You are right – America is NOT really a Christian nation because we practice a form of godliness but deny the power thereof (2 Timothy 3:5). It isn’t really a new phenomenon here either – people have “accepted Christ as Savior” without surrendering their lives to the Lordship of Christ. This causes an unrealistic view of what it means to be a Christian and that goes largely unnoticed today.
I am reading a small book by A. W. Tozer called The Root of the Righteous and in it he describes how this plays out. People pray and give credit to Christ for what they see as good answers without looking any deeper. He says, “Within the past few years, for instance, Christ has been popularized by some so-called evangelicals as one who, if a proper amount of prayer were made, would help the pious prize fighter to knock another fighter unconscious in the ring. Christ is also said to help the big league pitcher to get the proper hook on his curve. In another instance He assists an athletically - minded parson to win the high jump, and still another not only to come in first in a track meet but to set a new record in the bargain. He is said also to have helped a praying businessman to beat out a competitor in a deal, to underbid a rival and to secure a coveted contract to the discomfiture of someone else who was trying to get it. He is even thought to lend succor to a praying movie actress while she plays a role so lewd as to bring the blood to the face of a professional prostitute.”
 
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John 17:6-10 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.


Christians in America and elsewhere are under a new covenant unlike that of ancient Israel. We have Jesus praying for us, being our great Shepherd. He didn't pray for the world or any "goat" nation, but did for those the Father gives him. Many will face persecution, which is what he watches over if it happens because of his namesake. Also, there are no specific prophecies in the Bible relating to America, which wasn't part of the old Roman Empire.

The nations that deal treacherously with Israel around the time of the tribulation will be judged when Jesus returns after that terrible time, the wicked that die trying to kill Israel to be put in Hell immediately. We don't have scriptural evidence of modern nations being judged or punished before then.

I might face persecution to death before then, due to my relationship with Christ, but not all Christians will. If not we will continue within whatever the Kingdom of God supplies according to our faith and asking.

The whole world of nations is too interconnected with America and the West in general to not fall if America were to "fall". Our secular economy could easily fall, our money rendered useless, which would bring down many nations. Other nations and their currency are already under a similar threat, even Russia.

It might appear America as a whole is wicked, but many here have been a silent majority, which is a manifestation of ignorance, apathy, and fear of persecution. Those are not signs of abandonment of Christ. Such a situation crept up on America in the days leading up to the American Revolution against England, but the churches finally woke up. The same happened leading up to the world wars. We've seen mighty revivals wake the Church up.

It's not too hard to imagine what it would take next to wake us up to change this nation within a matter of weeks, but I believe God is willing to send mighty Christian prophets that would leave no doubt as to impending disaster, which since he did that for Israel, that's something he does. It might require a solar flare to knock out all power, eliminating the internet, TV, radio. It might take enough earthquakes to stop vehicles from being useful. All that would interrupt our supplies, while likely happening all around the world. Then Christians could literally go out speaking for God, warning neighbors, paving the way for prophets to make us all a deal we cannot resist. Just getting the silent majority to stand up and put down all our tolerance of sin lifestyles could save the nation. A tiny percentage of our population, a minority of people gone wicked, are at the heart of our national problems. They are known, can be dealt with however the Lord shows. We could see every state have emergency recall elections, change the whole government attitude quickly, make the necessary changes in laws for the sake of the majority. Or we can sit back, applaud the little band of wicked, and perish with them. If we keep tolerating wickedness, God could do us like he did Israel, let an enemy like ISIS dispatch the wicked off our rooftops. Understand there would be a lot of collateral damage.

It ought to be a lot easier to just get it done with what we already know to do.
 
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The decline of America did not start with President Obama and he is following orders of those in high places of darkness. Remember President Obama, he is related to few of former presidents because it is a family affair. The joke is on the masses of folks there is no two parties just one party. Slavery for the masses of folks globally. America folks are sleepers, zombies, walking dead, confuse, distractions, mind controlled by television, media, subliminal messages, and chattel to the ELITE! The ELITE knows how to control the masses of folks in America because the chattel still do not understand the tactics of the Elite.

1. Noticed that dividing the races with hatred tactics are powerful. Racism is a strategy for the Elite. Divide and Conquer

2. Blamed the immigrants for America economic collapse. How many Americans are going to be in the hot sun bagging vegetables or fruit. Americans desire those low paying jobs?

3. Blame the MUSLIMS for everything

4. Blame the homosexuals

5. Blame the BLACK MAN for all the ills of society when the BLACK MAN has no economic power.

6. Blame the WOMAN because she ate the fruit from the tree.

7. Blame Satan or the devil for woes, chaos or ills of the world when the man is making the decision within his heart to do wrong. Man became his own god in the Garden blame the woman for his decision.

All the famous pastors are quiet of the ills of world because they are part of the CORRUPT SYSTEM!

Evilness begins in the heart of man.

I weep for the liberty of my country when I see at this early day of its successful experiment that corruption has been imputed to many members of the House of Representatives, and the rights of the people have been bartered for promises of office.
Andrew Jackson

It is to be regretted that the rich and powerful too often bend the acts of government to their own selfish purposes.
Andrew Jackson


How true! I think where this decline began was the fight within the church that says the instructions of God for self governing, peace, and joy are now void through Christ. Now the real grace of God is oblivious to most church attendees in that respect. Vain grace is fiction because it is not built upon substance.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.For by it the elders obtained a good report." Hebrews 11:1-2

"For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers:" Job 8:8
 
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Why would that be ya think?
hey, just-me. :)

firstly, i was trying, in my inept way, to point out the sweeping generalization of using 'most'.
since i haven't been in absolutely every church, it surely is not my place to say what they all believe and teach, right? :)

but in answer to your question, my personal opinion is there are many reasons.
it is a difficult subject, at least for me, without guidance.
it seems to be open to different views, though i am certain it is not.

and there are learned men who came before us; men who knew the original languages
and spent their lifetimes studying them...
the Church as a whole in the US seems to fail to avail itself of that knowledge and wisdom.

hope i didn't derail you. :eek:
 
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What are your thoughts on how the United States used to be morally Bible oriented (for the most part) during WW2 and in the short span of 70 to 80 years, we have become so corrupt? Does it have something to do with the lack of moral Godly teaching that emanates from the modern church in the last half century ya think? How did the corruption take such a hold without it being put into check? I have many questions about how we got to this point.
To be honest, there are several things that come to mind. The counter culture revolution during the Vietnam War and the selfishness of that generation really propelled the corruption, but in all honesty it was already there.

It just needed a catalyst to come out of the darkness.

We are no longer a rural and agricultural based economy anymore. I live in a very small town in rural Oklahoma and our town and those around are dying out. People who live in the country for the agricultural/rancher life style are few and far between. People move o the country now want to be left alone and really have no spiritual compass.

These small towns have more churches than grocery stores, but because of the above, all the churches together could probably fill on church in town.

Another issue is the fact that most USA protestant churches still teach the law and make relationship with Jesus a do/dont list, when the Bible completely refutes that teaching. SO we have churches filled with rules and self righteous people, who really have no understanding of Jesus and what his message really was.

My personal opinion is that the greatest issue that caused the corruption is found in Matt 24.12:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Because lawlessness is increased,most people’s love will grow cold.

The church has forgotten how to love people despite themselves. We have replaced true perfect love with rules, self righteousness, law living and perhaps the worst is what some even here state. The church is not for the lost, it is for me and my fellow country club members.

Jesus' methods matched his message, the church today has a message, but their methods of reaching do not match that message.

Jesus did 5 things on earth: preach, teach, heal, demonstrate and deliver and he did it by love.

I see most pastors today preaching against something and not for something. It is easy to preach against something, but ask one to preach for something to build their congregation into world changers and all you get is self righteous excuses and pain.

a Son or daughter of God will never be used by the kingdom until they understand the grace of God, once you understand grace, you will understand the position of righteousness and then you understand who Jesus Christ is and begin to walk out what he did. The understanding of true grace/love of God will forever change you and you will be more holy on accident than on purpose. I see a new thought coming from preachers today, that salvation is about how much you love Jesus. WRONG, it is never about our love towards Christ, it was that God loved us first [See 1 John 4.10 and 1 John 4.19]

The USA church has failed to stop the corruption, because they see wickedness and lawlessness increasing, and their love has grown cold.

these are just some random thoughts, but the most important I see as a traveling minister.
 
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hey, just-me. :)

firstly, i was trying, in my inept way, to point out the sweeping generalization of using 'most'.
since i haven't been in absolutely every church, it surely is not my place to say what they all believe and teach, right? :)

but in answer to your question, my personal opinion is there are many reasons.
it is a difficult subject, at least for me, without guidance.
it seems to be open to different views, though i am certain it is not.

and there are learned men who came before us; men who knew the original languages
and spent their lifetimes studying them...
the Church as a whole in the US seems to fail to avail itself of that knowledge and wisdom.

hope i didn't derail you. :eek:
Agreed. I think it has much to do with the way the grace of God is viewed these days. Like His grace will bless us according to our vain hope. Seems as though a large portion of professing Christians don't comprehend His unchanging judgments that can be clearly noticed in scripture. If we'd just take the time to rightly divide the Word of God rather than divide it according to our will we could be collectively strong, but we are too fractured I'm afraid.

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" 1 Peter 4:17
 
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Reading is very important especially history, religion, and theology. Especially the old ancient writers, historians, religious , philosophy writers, and scholars. Go to the your local library books sale to purchase religion, history, Bibles, and theology literature from the past for cheap. Literature that have gave me deeper understanding of the Sacred Word because the church was lying to me and not teaching me the TRUTH!! Keeping me in DARKNESS!!

1. The Light of the World : A Reconstruction and Interpretation of the Life of Christ by Greville Coooke copyright 1950

2. The Day Christ Died by Jim Bishop copyright 1957

3. AS Seeing The Invisible by DT Niles copy right 1961 (explain the book of Revelation AWESOME)

4. JESUS as Judged by His Enemies by James H. Snowden Study of Criticism and Attacks by JESUS enemies

5. Study Hebrew & Greek for deeper understanding of the Sacred Word

6. The Nazarene by Sholem Asch copyright 1939

7. The Christian Reconstruction of Modern Life by Charles Henry Dickinson copyright 1913

8. Many Annotated Reference Bible: Dake's , Oxford and many more

STUDY FOR YOURSELF through the HOLY SPIRIT because the HOLY SPIRIT will REVEAL SPIRITUAL WISDOM AND TRUTH! Always PRAY before studying because many lies have been told by counterfeit gospel of man.
 
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Agreed. I think it has much to do with the way the grace of God is viewed these days. Like His grace will bless us according to our vain hope. Seems as though a large portion of professing Christians don't comprehend His unchanging judgments that can be clearly noticed in scripture. If we'd just take the time to rightly divide the Word of God rather than divide it according to our will we could be collectively strong, but we are too fractured I'm afraid.

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" 1 Peter 4:17
well, certainly the whole 'American dream' prosperity 'gospel' nonsense is a part of the problem. :(

we are reluctant to accept suffering, although God, in His infinite grace and wisdom,
means it for our good.
 
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we are reluctant to accept suffering, although God, in His infinite grace and wisdom,
means it for our good.

John 15:18
"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

John 16:33
"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

Acts 14:22
22strengthening the souls of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.

Philippians 1:29
For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him,


1 Thessalonians 3:3
so that no one would be unsettled by these trials. For you know quite well that we are destined for them.


2 Timothy 3:12
In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,


1 Peter 2:21
To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.


1 Peter 5:9
Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.
 
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The United States doesn't dominate anything, and never has.
The Philistines rule the world and always have. They are God's instrument to prove us.
The Philistines of today are known as the New World Order or Illuminati.
The United States was founded as the New Atlantis.
The United States has been marching toward a New World order since it's inception.
The Illuminati wrote the end times scenario this thread is talking about.
The bible doesn't mention any super powers... the ones from the north, south, east and west are spiritual nations not earthly countries.
There is no such thing as the "Great Tribulation" just before Jesus returns.
Almost all, if not all of Matthew 24 happened in AD 70.
 
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John 15:18
"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

John 16:33
"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

Acts 14:22
22strengthening the souls of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.

Philippians 1:29
For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him,


1 Thessalonians 3:3
so that no one would be unsettled by these trials. For you know quite well that we are destined for them.


2 Timothy 3:12
In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,


1 Peter 2:21
To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.


1 Peter 5:9
Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.
Persecution and suffering is not personal brokenness before God. You will never be persecuted or suffer as Christ did before you become broken before God. Brokenness before God gives you the strength[Joy] to overcome the world.

Jesus answered his critics but he never engaged them.