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How can we say that the 6 days everything was created in was in a 24hr/day time period as we know it, when the sun and moon weren't created until the 4th day?
The sun and moon are how we determine the 24hr clock, but they were not created until the 4th day.
can someone help me with this please, thank you

God bless
 
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eyesonly said:
How can we say that the 6 days everything was created in was in a 24hr/day time period as we know it, when the sun and moon weren't created until the 4th day?
The sun and moon are how we determine the 24hr clock, but they were not created until the 4th day.
can someone help me with this please, thank you

God bless
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Light is separated from the darkness. This is an interesting phenomenon. Light and darkness do not naturally separate. It required an act of God to separate the two. What does this say about the theory of natural determinacy i.e. the influence of natural law? It did not yet exist. Heaven and earth are matter, light is energy and matter. These are the two basic elements of physics. At this point in creation, there are no natural laws in place to influence their behavior. Light is separated from the darkness by an act of God. This will begin the sequence of time measurement. Matter and energy are being organized into a more complex life sustaining system.
C. Light is assigned to function which is to measure time, 5. God gives the definition of what constitutes a day.

1. Light = day + morning.
2. Darkness = night + evening.
The combination of these two represent a 24 hour period of time. This same standard of measurement is used in every stage of creation. From the first day before the sun, moon, and stars were created until after these are placed in the heavens as the standard measurement of evening and morning representing one day. This standard of measurement does not change throughout the chapter.
3. The laws of physics are now put in place. This will be represented in at least four ways.

a. Earth's rotation now seems to have already been set in motion on day one. When Light and darkness are separated this results in the phenomenon of morning and evening due to the rotation of the earth on its axis with darkness on one hemisphere and light on the other.
b. This also means that earth's magnetic fields are now in place which is formed by the flow of the earth's liquid iron core. The magnetic field will be necessary to protect the earth against solar radiation when the sun is created on day four.
c. Because of the rotation of the earth, gravitational forces are now operational.[/FONT] [/FONT]
 
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1 Thessalonians 5:4-6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4*But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5*Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6*Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

So...
The evening and morning were the first day.
God does not need the sun or moon to keep track of the time He created...that was for us.
 
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This might help as well.

Psalm 139:10-12New King James Version (NKJV)

10*Even there Your hand shall lead me,
And Your right hand shall hold me.
11*If I say, “Surely the darkness shall fall[a] on me,”
Even the night shall be light about me;
12*Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You,
But the night shines as the day;
The darkness and the light are both alike to You.
 
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eyesonly said:
How can we say that the 6 days everything was created in was in a 24hr/day time period as we know it, when the sun and moon weren't created until the 4th day?
The sun and moon are how we determine the 24hr clock, but they were not created until the 4th day.
can someone help me with this please, thank you

God bless
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Gen. 1:5

(Which is also before the sun and moon.)

One of those nifty thingies about reading a book is the first time someone uses a new word, it has to be defined right there or no one gets what it means. Your first grade math book (or do they teach this stuff earlier now?), out and out told you the definition of "addition" the first time it used it, I had to define the word "stuffie" in a novel I'm writing because so few know that word, and God defined "day."

We know day is day, because it's defined.

Gen. 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
 
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Simple God first created plasma which is a state of matter. Plasma can give off light. IE Lightning,neon etc. The sun itself is made of gas and plasma. :)
 
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but to God one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day. time does not exist in God's realm of eternity.

God bless
 
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eyesonly said:
but to God one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day. time does not exist in God's realm of eternity.

God bless
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Your confusing a literal time frame which the parameters are defined with a METAPHOR which is NOT literal.

Metaphor - Merriam Webster




noun met·a·phor \ˈme-tə-ˌfȯr also -fər\
: a word or phrase for one thing that is used to refer to another thing in order to show or suggest that they are similar
: an object, activity, or idea that is used as a symbol of something else

Yes, irregardless" is a word.
No, that doesn't mean you should use it. »


Full Definition of METAPHOR

1
: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money); broadly : figurative language — compare simile

2
: an object, activity, or idea treated as a metaphor :


The context of the passage you are using shows that it is a metaphor and NOT tobetaken LITERALLY.

2 Peter 3

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. [SUP]4 [/SUP]They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. [SUP]6 [/SUP]By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. [SUP]7 [/SUP]By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
 
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eyesonly said:
but to God one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day. time does not exist in God's realm of eternity.

God bless
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This is not intended to be a standard of measurement by which God measures a day. God created time and he knows the difference between a 24 hour day and a 1000 years. All this passage is demonstrating is the fact that God is contingent upon time.
 
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eyesonly said:
but to God one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day. time does not exist in God's realm of eternity.

God bless
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Actually it is a simile...is as..it does not say 'is'.

MERRIAM WEBSTER:

sim·i·le\ˈsi-mə-(ˌ)lē\
noun
grammar : a phrase that uses the words 'like' or 'as' to describe someone or something by comparing it with someone or something else that is similar
Full Definition
: a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as (as in cheeks like roses) — compare metaphor
Origin: Middle English, from Latin, comparison, from neuter of similis.
First use: 14th century.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
 
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This is not intended to be a standard of measurement by which God measures a day. God created time and he knows the difference between a 24 hour day and a 1000 years. All this passage is demonstrating is the fact that God is contingent upon time.
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I am sorry, there is a typo in this statement. It should read "All this passage is demonstrating is the fact that God is NOT contingent upon time."
 
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Light is separated from the darkness. This is an interesting phenomenon. Light and darkness do not naturally separate. It required an act of God to separate the two. What does this say about the theory of natural determinacy i.e. the influence of natural law? It did not yet exist. Heaven and earth are matter, light is energy and matter. These are the two basic elements of physics. At this point in creation, there are no natural laws in place to influence their behavior. Light is separated from the darkness by an act of God. This will begin the sequence of time measurement. Matter and energy are being organized into a more complex life sustaining system.
C. Light is assigned to function which is to measure time, 5. God gives the definition of what constitutes a day.

1. Light = day + morning.
2. Darkness = night + evening.
The combination of these two represent a 24 hour period of time. This same standard of measurement is used in every stage of creation. From the first day before the sun, moon, and stars were created until after these are placed in the heavens as the standard measurement of evening and morning representing one day. This standard of measurement does not change throughout the chapter.
3. The laws of physics are now put in place. This will be represented in at least four ways.

a. Earth's rotation now seems to have already been set in motion on day one. When Light and darkness are separated this results in the phenomenon of morning and evening due to the rotation of the earth on its axis with darkness on one hemisphere and light on the other.
b. This also means that earth's magnetic fields are now in place which is formed by the flow of the earth's liquid iron core. The magnetic field will be necessary to protect the earth against solar radiation when the sun is created on day four.
c. Because of the rotation of the earth, gravitational forces are now operational.
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the earth does not rotate - Jesus is the light of the world in both the literal and spiritual sense and was the light before the sun was created and will be the light of the world after the sun disappears - wincam
 
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the earth does not rotate - Jesus is the light of the world in both the literal and spiritual sense and was the light before the sun was created and will be the light of the world after the sun disappears - wincam
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IGNORE........
 
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eyesonly said:
How can we say that the 6 days everything was created in was in a 24hr/day time period as we know it, when the sun and moon weren't created until the 4th day?
The sun and moon are how we determine the 24hr clock, but they were not created until the 4th day.
can someone help me with this please, thank you

God bless
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eyesonly,


Please see my post on page 3 of the 'Old Earth Young Earth Does it Matter? thread.
 
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I think its safe to assume that at the time of writing, the normal 24 hr time period existed and the writer could therefore look back on the event in the light of his experience.
 
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For all of you who think that one thousand years being a day with the Lord is a metaphor...

Why do you think no man but Christ Jesus our Lord has lived one thousand years? All died before the day was done. It is not a metaphor...simply a day with the Lord.
 
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okay, in the Lord, i'll see y'all in a day......
 
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eyesonly said:
How can we say that the 6 days everything was created in was in a 24hr/day time period as we know it, when the sun and moon weren't created until the 4th day?
The sun and moon are how we determine the 24hr clock, but they were not created until the 4th day.
can someone help me with this please, thank you

God bless
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I get what you are saying. Proverbs 8:22 tells you what was created on the first day. Don't worry about the wording for day and night either, Paul says we belong to the day, and that doesn't mean we belong to sun light!

"In him was life,*and that life was the light*of men.*
The light shines in the darkness,*but the darkness has not understood*it."

That verse proves light and darkness, day and night mean something else.
 
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atwhatcost said:
Gen. 1:5

(Which is also before the sun and moon.)

One of those nifty thingies about reading a book is the first time someone uses a new word, it has to be defined right there or no one gets what it means. Your first grade math book (or do they teach this stuff earlier now?), out and out told you the definition of "addition" the first time it used it, I had to define the word "stuffie" in a novel I'm writing because so few know that word, and God defined "day."

We know day is day, because it's defined.

Gen. 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
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But this contradicts the idea of a 24 hour day. In that verse the definition of 'day' in Genesis 1 is a period of light. 'Day' is the translation of the word yom which means a period of time.

Furthermore 'evening' and 'morning' is a strange way of indicating 24 hour day. It is far more likely that it means the end and the beginning of a period of light. Indeed if it does not there was no evening to the first yom.

Taking Genesis 1 literally means that creation took place within six periods of light.
 
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