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    Default Beware of the new "Biblical theology" movement.

    The new "Biblical theology" movement, also known as redemptive-historical theology, puts man's wisdom in authority over God's Word, with disastrous results.

    It used to be that “Biblical theology” together with “*systematic theology” looked at the Bible "as it comes" - book by book, chapter by chapter, verse by verse, to answer questions regarding the message of a particular book of the Bible and its relationship to the rest of Scripture.

    Both methods of studying God's Word are founded on the principle that the Scriptures reveal a single God-ordained, well-ordered, consistent, and unchanging system of doctrine. It must be understood that the two ways of studying the Bible must go hand-in-hand, because when we separate Biblical theology from systematic theology we begin looking at the Bible in ways that lead to false teaching.

    There has been a movement over the past few decades to create a different kind of "Biblical theology." I have noticed this approach by some “well meaning” members right here in C C. This movement has proved itself a grave danger to the church. This new “Biblical theology” movement insists on studying "theologies" in the plural and in semi-isolation - the "theology of Paul" - the "theology of Peter" - the "theology of John" - the "theology of James" - or even the "theology of Jesus."

    This new movement categorizes certain scriptures to an inferior rank or position of the doctrine of the Holy Spirit's primary authorship of all Scripture to a secondary status. In such an atmosphere, theologians can stand in judgment of the Scriptures rather than submitting to the judgment of the Word. This is called “Dialectical theology.”

    Dialectical theology is the false idea that the Bible contains contradictions that have to be synthesized and resolved through human reasoning. Advocates of the new "Biblical theology" deny the overall unity and coherence of Scripture. From there they take only a small step to the false conclusion that there is no single, God-articulated Biblical doctrine, inventing humanly-articulated systems of doctrine that individuals can rightfully claim to be valid even though they contradict one another.

    Such thinking produces a theological Tower of Babel.

    If there is no overall unity in the Bible, no coherence in all its parts, then the “*systematic theologian” is on a fool's errand. This is precisely the conclusion of much of the modern theological world.

    At the same time that “*systematic theology” was falling into disfavor, this new "Biblical theology" movement has been growing in popularity, rendering the incorporation of “*systematic theology” as unacceptable to this new "Biblical theology".

    If the Bible is without genuine discrepancy, inconsistency, or error, then the analytical search of its text for a system of truth is not only legitimate, it is mandatory. If God has consistently revealed His truth to us in the Scriptures, then it is incumbent that we analyze the whole Bible when seeking to know His mind on any particular point.

    Systematic theology is a necessary discipline in the pursuit of both knowing and proclaiming the whole counsel of God. It will curb careless exegesis which results in fantasizing and contradictory expositions of various texts. This is the case today in much of the Evangelical church.

    The modern "Biblical theology" movement is responsible for the denial or compromise of many foundational doctrines. By placing Paul, and James, the Old and New testaments at odds with each other, many modern Biblical theology advocates inadvertently deny the true doctrine of justification by faith in Christ alone. They say that there is a stark difference between the "spiritual" and “physical” parts of the Bible as though man has the right to draw lines between the two in the pages of God's Word. Jesus taught in parables to bring the truth together as One.

    The church needs to return to Scripture-driven theology - the legitimate hand-in-hand studies of Biblical theology and systematic theology, both resting on the Bible-based foreknowledge, and foreshadowing, that every word of God's Word is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and uniquely authoritative and valid for true edification minus contradiction or separation. The Bible alone must be our sole authority and infallible critic in every area of life and ministry.

    Here is an example of the new “Biblical theology” movement, and how some might interpret this scripture.

    “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” 2 Peter 1:20

    This new theology can cause a person to believe that the Old Testament foretelling of Jesus as the Messiah is true and confirmed, but other parts of the Old Testament that are not counted as prophecy do not apply to this verse because it isn't prophecy. Then the following scripture could be used to say that Jesus is only speaking to the Pharisees about the prophecy of Himself, dwelling among us as the “Son of Man” only.

    “For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?” John 5:46-47

    This false interpretation of the truth then justifies the purposeful rejection of other scriptures as being irrelevant according to ones own religion and belief system.

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    yes, i read that article as well.
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    Default Re: Beware of the new "Biblical theology" movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by psychomom View Post
    yes, i read that article as well.
    Have you noticed the evidence, and what it's doing to the modern church of today? There's so much fracturing when we are supposed to be of the same mind one toward another.

    "Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits." Romans 12:16
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    Have you noticed the evidence, and what it's doing to the modern church of today?
    i live a very small life, and don't really attend many churches other than our home church.

    while this is certainly not good:
    They insist on studying "theologies" in the plural and in semi-isolation - the "theology of Paul" - the "theology of Peter" - the "theology of John" - the "theology of James" - or even the "theology of Jesus."
    ( Is the postmodern Biblical theology movement really Biblical? )

    i can't quite understand what's wrong with seeing the whole Bible as redemptive history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by just-me View Post
    The new "Biblical theology" movement, also known as redemptive-historical theology, puts man's wisdom in authority over God's Word, with disastrous results.
    ...
    There has been a movement over the past few decades to create a different kind of "Biblical theology." I have noticed this approach by some “well meaning” members right here in C C. This movement has proved itself a grave danger to the church. This new “Biblical theology” movement insists on studying "theologies" in the plural and in semi-isolation - the "theology of Paul" - the "theology of Peter" - the "theology of John" - the "theology of James" - or even the "theology of Jesus."

    This new movement categorizes certain scriptures to an inferior rank or position of the doctrine of the Holy Spirit's primary authorship of all Scripture to a secondary status. In such an atmosphere, theologians can stand in judgment of the Scriptures rather than submitting to the judgment of the Word. This is called “Dialectical theology.”
    ...
    Here is an example of the new “Biblical theology” movement, and how some might interpret this scripture.

    “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” 2 Peter 1:20
    ...
    This false interpretation of the truth then justifies the purposeful rejection of other scriptures as being irrelevant according to ones own religion and belief system.
    I have noticed that as centuries have passed that we attach a commonly understood meaning to a familiar word we see in scripture, and because we are familiar with the word, don’t check to see if we are getting the correct meaning of a given scripture – allowing for the possibility of an older or different meaning of a word.
    The first example I found of this was in the story of the prodigal son. I always assumed that “prodigal” meant a wayward (son) returning to the right way, but the actual definition for “prodigal” was “lavish”. That doesn’t change the point of the story in the Bible about the prodigal son but in the scripture of 2 Peter 1:20, looking up the word “prophecy” makes a difference. We usually think of foretelling the future when we hear the word “prophecy” which is only a part of the definition. Taking the actual definition from Dictionary.com we see that the scripture in 2 Peter doesn’t refer to simply telling the future. It refers to all scripture and means there is no scripture that is contradictory to itself.
    (Dictionary.com) noun, plural prophecies.
    1. the foretelling or prediction of what is to come.
    2. something that is declared by a prophet, especially a divinely inspiredprediction, instruction, or exhortation.
    3. a divinely inspired utterance or revelation: oracular prophecies.
    4. the action, function, or faculty of a prophet.

    Even the Catholic Encyclopedia says, “Understood in its strict sense, it means the foreknowledge of future events, though it may sometimes apply to past events of which there is no memory, and to present hidden things which cannot be known by the natural light of reason. St. Paul, speaking of prophecy in 1 Corinthians 14, does not confine its meaning to predictions of future events, but includes under it Divine inspirations concerning what is secret, whether future or not.”
    Strong's Concordance
    prophéteia: prophecy
    Original Word: προφητεία, ας, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
    Transliteration: prophéteia
    Phonetic Spelling: (prof-ay-ti'-ah)
    Short Definition: prophecy
    Definition: prophecy, prophesying; the gift of communicating and enforcing revealed truth.

    I particularly like the Aramaic English New Testament translation of 2 Peter 1:20 which says: You having the previous knowledge that no prophecy is an exposition of its own text. 2 Peter 1:20 (AENT)
    There are other translations of course, but they all give the same message:
    2 Peter 1:20 (KJV)
    20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
    2 Peter 1:20 (CJB)
    First of all, understand this: no prophecy of Scripture is to be interpreted by an individual on his own;
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    yes, i read that article as well.
    Yes, By Dr. Paul M. Elliott.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psychomom View Post
    i live a very small life, and don't really attend many churches other than our home church.

    while this is certainly not good:
    They insist on studying "theologies" in the plural and in semi-isolation - the "theology of Paul" - the "theology of Peter" - the "theology of John" - the "theology of James" - or even the "theology of Jesus."
    ( Is the postmodern Biblical theology movement really Biblical? )

    i can't quite understand what's wrong with seeing the whole Bible as redemptive history?
    A big, "Amen!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by just-us-2 View Post
    I have noticed that as centuries have passed that we attach a commonly understood meaning to a familiar word we see in scripture,
    Wow! You're really old!! LOL Sorry, us guys aren't supposed to ask a woman their age.

    It was a good post though. I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    A big, "Amen!"
    well...it is...isn't it?

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    i can't quite understand what's wrong with seeing the whole Bible as redemptive history?
    I don't see any wrong with that either. Where the problems might arise is when we say that it doesn't apply to us in the present and is for another time in the past. Then the Bible (in many cases) become nothing more than history, we are exempting ourselves from what is actually current to a believes life. It's spiritual, written by those who were moved by the Spirit of God who isn't confined with time such as we are confined to. All things is scripture apply for all time, our time, and then some. That's why both theologies must be incorporated to rightly divide the word of truth. It's a life long quest for believers to apply all things in scripture for our present life with Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by just-me View Post
    I don't see any wrong with that either. Where the problems might arise is when we say that it doesn't apply to us in the present and is for another time in the past. Then the Bible (in many cases) become nothing more than history, exempting ourselves from what is actually current to a believes life. It's spiritual, written by those who were moved by the Spirit of God who isn't confined with a time sequence such as we are confined to. All things is scripture apply for all time, our time, and then some. That's why both theologies must be incorporated to rightly divide the word of truth. It's a life long quest for believers.
    please forgive me this morning....duller of thought than usual, i guess.

    but to which "both theologies" do you refer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychomom View Post
    please forgive me this morning....duller of thought than usual, i guess.

    but to which "both theologies" do you refer?

    They are defined in the OP
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    It used to be that “Biblical theology” together with “*systematic theology” looked at the Bible "as it comes" - book by book, chapter by chapter, verse by verse, to answer questions regarding the message of a particular book of the Bible and its relationship to the rest of Scripture.

    Both methods of studying God's Word are founded on the principle that the Scriptures reveal a single God-ordained, well-ordered, consistent, and unchanging system of doctrine. It must be understood that the two ways of studying the Bible must go hand-in-hand, because when we separate Biblical theology from systematic theology we begin looking at the Bible in ways that lead to false teaching.
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    This is NOT rocket science! Where is GOD's simplicity? When I sit down, bring out my bifocals and open up my BIBLE, I ask the Holy Spirit to intervene and help apply what I read to my personal life. BINGO! Plain and simple. GOD's WORD is a LIVING WORD,meaning that it's fresh and new each time the pages are opened. Being Holy SPIRIT annointed has it's benefits. When we finish reading HIS WORD, do not let it sit and gather dust. Act upon HIS WORD, allowing what you've just injested to reflect in your daily life. Do not approach the BIBLE with preconceptions

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    Quote Originally Posted by just-me View Post
    They are defined in the OP
    *headslap*

    thanks...lol
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    Default Re: Beware of the new "Biblical theology" movement.

    "Systematic theology” is a form of theology in which the aim is to arrange religious truths in a self-consistent whole.

    “Biblical theology” by itself is an attempt to articulate the theology that the Bible contains as its writers addressed their particular settings. The Scriptures came into being over the course of many centuries, from different authors, social settings, and geographical locations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by just-me View Post
    "Systematic theology” is a form of theology in which the aim is to arrange religious truths in a self-consistent whole.

    “Biblical theology” by itself is an attempt to articulate the theology that the Bible contains as its writers addressed their particular settings. The Scriptures came into being over the course of many centuries, from different authors, social settings, and geographical locations.
    we had a pastor who said, 'the Bible (primarily) tells One Story and points to One Figure:
    the man Christ Jesus.'


    it's His-story.

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    Wow! You're really old!! LOL Sorry, us guys aren't supposed to ask a woman their age.

    It was a good post though. I agree.
    Yeah, I'm getting old...but I'll never catch up to you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychomom View Post
    we had a pastor who said, 'the Bible (primarily) tells One Story and points to One Figure:
    the man Christ Jesus.'


    it's His-story.

    Without incorporating "Systematic theology” with the law of leprosy, a person will never see the comparison of being purified by the blood of Christ, and understanding that salvation begins a Spiritual cleaning process by taking extreme care to detect all the leprosy on the dwelling/house, representing our own fleshly bodies, and destroying our sinful nature of the flesh. I can go into detail if you care. You are also welcome to PM me. Let me know and may God bless us all with His wonderful unchanging Word.

    Leviticus 14:36-57
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    Quote Originally Posted by just-me View Post
    Without incorporating "Systematic theology” with the law of leprosy, a person will never see the comparison of being purified by the blood of Christ, and understanding that salvation begins a Spiritual cleaning process by taking extreme care to detect all the leprosy on the dwelling/house, representing our own fleshly bodies, and destroying our sinful nature of the flesh. I can go into detail if you care. You are also welcome to PM me. Let me know and may God bless us all with His wonderful unchanging Word.

    Leviticus 14:36-57
    that's very kind, thank you.

    we have Grudem, Burkhof, and Hodge, so i think we're good.
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