The devil, the angel of light, like a closet evangelical, unwittingly?

[JesusIsAll]

Just a thought that keeps showing up over the years, but I was thinking about the devil coming as an angel of light. He has to appear as something good, like the cults, that mix lies into the truth. It was the similar to a thought the other day, mentioning the Pope wouldn't get much ring kissing, if he came with horns and a pitchfork.

Here are the questions, rhetorical questions, though, not looking for answers, perse. Is it not tacit admission by Satan that he can't stand, that he is repulsive in his own right, that he must fake appearing to have the things of God? It's like Satanists. They love life, love carnality, love the things of the world, but hate God, the God that created all they feed on. Isn't it all just cosmic, knuckle-headed hypocrisy, of not even the slightest intellectual integrity, to need, even enjoy, the things of the One you hate? If one enjoys and uses the things of God to sustain, isn't that admission that God is good? Seems to me the evil even sing His praises, unwittingly.

That's all, folks, for what it's worth.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Yes , satan comes as an agent of ILLUMINATION, indeed.. and in these times we live in, there has never been a time before , where his false illumination is so evident... he comes masquerading as a disciple or minister of Christ, bringing counterfeit illumination to the Word of God, thru the tares he was allowed to SOW.... HIS PRIDE. moves him to do this.. even knowing the Word of God........because that has been his cry since the very Beginning, to be higher and better than his Creator.. God is going to let him have a congregation, it will be a global one in numbers, and they will worship him..this a global congregation of Tares...... why? Because their NAMES WERE NEVER WRITTEN in the Lamb's Book of Life.. From the Foundation of the World... Anything Satan does, he is allowed to do. by the Father, who is Sovereign, God allows him to move forward with his errors and lies, thus fulfiling the Word of God, and in allowing the enemy to move forward, the Father's True seed, the Good Seed, they see this and will separate or move out from it.. Refinement in His Bride, will be done by allowing the enemy to sow more and more tares and pilferate the Word of God, those Who are His will STand apart from this.. be Repugnant to the tares.. until it gets so bad.. that He Finally Says to the Son, Go get your Bride.. Turn that Big Eternal Combine on.. its time....

 

[Bowhunter2394]

An almost picture perfect portrait of the light bearer, his face in reality, this a person he controls and vexes... the light bearer, the shining one, the prince of the power of the air.. his external angelic features in that face are near perfect if ye were to 'meet' him face to face. or witness or observe him in Heaven when he accuses before the Father and Christ..

 

[Skinski7]

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

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[JesusIsAll]

Yes , satan comes as an agent of ILLUMINATION, indeed.. and in these times we live in, there has never been a time before , where his false illumination is so evident... he comes masquerading as a disciple or minister of Christ, bringing counterfeit illumination to the Word of God, thru the tares he was allowed to SOW.... HIS PRIDE.

Yes, but here's the thing that's so weird. What kind of pride is there, in feeding at the table of your enemy? You know that dogs, who don't have rabies (a totally crazy dog bites!), don't bite the hand of the one that feeds them, no dog I've ever known: the most vicious, who may bite a stranger, wouldn't bite the one who fills their bowl and is good to them. (Please, any of you who've known such a dog, it's the exception, okay?) How can humans or other beings be lower than dogs, have less sense than a dog? Is such the substance of the "mystery of iniquity," perhaps, indeed, quite a mysterious, loaded phrase? Where is the sense in it? All I see is total insanity.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

 

[Skinski7]

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Transforming Themselves - metaschēmatizō
From G3326 and a derivative of G4976; to transfigure or disguise; figuratively to apply (by accommodation): - transfer, transform (self).


The modern wolves are the pastors and theologians. The preach a form of godliness but deny the power of God. What do they deny? They deny that we can live truly free from sin as a slave to righteousness with a pure heart, blameless before God. They argue in favour of ongoing wickedness in the hearts of Christians and thus, by necessity, define salvation as being purely "positional" and therefore the notion of "saved in sin."

These wolves never teach that we are saved FROM sin. They teach the doctrine of Original Sin and thus believe in total inability. Total inability negates the possibility of any ability to obey God. Thus obedience to these folks is merely a confession of sinfulness and trust in Jesus, totally disconnected from any doing whatsoever. They will speak great swelling words of "trying" not to sin, and "trying" to do the right thing but when the rubber meets the road they will all admit that the sinning (willful) never actually stops. That is why they will comfort people, who are engaged in all manner of immorality, as being justified in their sin whilst God helps them with their "struggle."

The vast majority of those who profess Jesus as Lord have been deceived by these people which is really not surprising. The vast majority of religious people back in the days of Jeremiah, Isaiah and even Jesus were also deceived by the religious establishment.

 

[Skinski7]

Let no one deceive you.

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[JesusIsAll]

[video=youtube;XPuhbm74JRU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPuhbm74JRU[/video]

Thank you for the contribution, but, looking at a few minutes, babies and being born under the curse: if you would, say what you're trying to say, please, as I don't see your point, and you maybe shouldn't expect people to spend 22 minutes, to try and decipher it? I don't think babies have sinned, yet, myself, but don't see the relevance to the OP, or what you're really saying, of nothing you've said.

 

[JesusIsAll]

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Transforming Themselves - metaschēmatizō
From G3326 and a derivative of G4976; to transfigure or disguise; figuratively to apply (by accommodation): - transfer, transform (self).


The modern wolves are the pastors and theologians. The preach a form of godliness but deny the power of God. What do they deny? They deny that we can live truly free from sin as a slave to righteousness with a pure heart, blameless before God. They argue in favour of ongoing wickedness in the hearts of Christians and thus, by necessity, define salvation as being purely "positional" and therefore the notion of "saved in sin."

These wolves never teach that we are saved FROM sin. They teach the doctrine of Original Sin and thus believe in total inability. Total inability negates the possibility of any ability to obey God. Thus obedience to these folks is merely a confession of sinfulness and trust in Jesus, totally disconnected from any doing whatsoever. They will speak great swelling words of "trying" not to sin, and "trying" to do the right thing but when the rubber meets the road they will all admit that the sinning (willful) never actually stops. That is why they will comfort people, who are engaged in all manner of immorality, as being justified in their sin whilst God helps them with their "struggle."

The vast majority of those who profess Jesus as Lord have been deceived by these people which is really not surprising. The vast majority of religious people back in the days of Jeremiah, Isaiah and even Jesus were also deceived by the religious establishment.

Okay. Right. The incessant legalism diatribe. Please take that to another thread, and repeat yourself 3,000 more times there.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Yes, but here's the thing that's so weird. What kind of pride is there, in feeding at the table of your enemy? You know that dogs, who don't have rabies (a totally crazy dog bites!), don't bite the hand of the one that feeds them, no dog I've ever known: the most vicious, who may bite a stranger, wouldn't bite the one who fills their bowl and is good to them. (Please, any of you who've known such a dog, it's the exception, okay?) How can humans or other beings be lower than dogs, have less sense than a dog? Is such the substance of the "mystery of iniquity," perhaps, indeed, quite a mysterious, loaded phrase? Where is the sense in it? All I see is total insanity.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

ye have to understand the Parable of the 2 sowers, and its viable to understand the Incredible Enmity there is between the anointed fallen cherub that covereth and his Creator, when you understand the Emnity, then you will understand the source of the pride, and the source of the pride of man, which brings you BAck to the Tree, the Humility of it, the Power of It , where they Crucified Him... one does not understand the Emnity between the Good Seed and the bad seed, unless ONE HAS BEEN TARGETED by the bad seed in its full blown envy/jealousy/ presumptuousness to destroy and plunder. Look at Pharaoh of Egypt , perfect example of a satan like man... How did God deal with Him? you read and understand.. no different.. If man understood and knew the True emnity there is between the one that exalts himself in his pride.. and his CREATOR, then one would understand the blindness of his pride, for knowing the Word, yet believing he can still overthrow God.. the Greatness of the Appeasement of Christ in Humility, 'now is the prince of this world judged'!

 

[JesusIsAll]

ye have to understand the Parable of the 2 sowers, and its viable to understand the Incredible Enmity there is between the anointed fallen cherub that covereth and his Creator, when you understand the Emnity, then you will understand the source of the pride, and the source of the pride of man, which brings you BAck to the Tree, the Humility of it, the Power of It , where they Crucified Him... one does not understand the Emnity between the Good Seed and the bad seed, unless ONE HAS BEEN TARGETED by the bad seed in its full blown envy/jealousy/ presumptuousness to destroy and plunder. Look at Pharaoh of Egypt , perfect example of a satan like man... How did God deal with Him? you read and understand.. no different.. If man understood and knew the True emnity there is between the one that exalts himself in his pride.. and his CREATOR, then one would understand the blindness of his pride, for knowing the Word, yet believing he can still overthrow God.. the Greatness of the Appeasement of Christ in Humility, 'now is the prince of this world judged'!

I get the enmity, but I wouldn't feel superior, to behave lower than a dog, and have to hide that I'm lower than a dog.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Yes, but here's the thing that's so weird. What kind of pride is there, in feeding at the table of your enemy? You know that dogs, who don't have rabies (a totally crazy dog bites!), don't bite the hand of the one that feeds them, no dog I've ever known: the most vicious, who may bite a stranger, wouldn't bite the one who fills their bowl and is good to them. (Please, any of you who've known such a dog, it's the exception, okay?) How can humans or other beings be lower than dogs, have less sense than a dog? Is such the substance of the "mystery of iniquity," perhaps, indeed, quite a mysterious, loaded phrase? Where is the sense in it? All I see is total insanity.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

the Mystery of Iniquity has been at work for a long time.. Its wicked , evil, and moves, but it only moves forward as God allows it.. all things, all thrones principalities, dominions, powers, whether visible or invisible, fallen or Righteous, are in Subjection to the Risen Christ, so when you see the Mystery of Iniquity go forward, you know its being allowed to go forward because God is allowing it, not because satan has some power over God to move forward.. No satan was disarmed at the Cross, Jesus made a show of him, openly, a spectacle thru His Death.. He said 'it is finished'. indeed.. any movement satan has, its allowed, and in his pride , still believing he can overthrow God, he moves.. that creature has no chance at Redemption. they cannot taste the Humility and Grace of God, thats why even knowing the Word of God and his demise as foretold, he moves in pride.. that 'ANGELIC' PRIDE, I cant even begin to desrcibe it.. cant on a human level... thats why he does what he does.. and even in his pride.. God still has a leash on him.... the Glory and Power of the Cross, its Appeasement, becomes so Real upon the reality of that Emnity between God the Creator and the one who walked into the Throne Room and told his Creator, it was at some time he was going to overthrow His Creator.... you can trace the Foundation of the Mystery of Iniquity right back to the Original Eden, where the serpent was... its upon this 'lie'.. that this Mystery will be allowed to blossom on a global scale, this during Daniels 70th week.. one needs to go back and read the encounter between the cunning serpent and Eve... the serpent will get many on this globe to believe that they can' create their own Eden on this Earth, a kingdom of God, without Heaven Returning.. ye shall be as gods , knowing good and evil'... they will take this and run.. those who are here in the Hour of Trial, those who are tested, these the inhabitants of the earth... this will come upon those here , like a Trap, that Trap cannot be sprung unless He that Lets is Removed... indeed...

 

[JesusIsAll]

the Mystery of Iniquity has been at work for a long time.. Its wicked , evil, and moves, but it only moves forward as God allows it.. all things, all thrones principalities, dominions, powers, whether visible or invisible, fallen or Righteous, are in Subjection to the Risen Christ, so when you see the Mystery of Iniquity go forward, you know its being allowed to go forward because God is allowing it, not because satan has some power over God to move forward.. No satan was disarmed at the Cross, Jesus made a show of him, openly, a spectacle thru His Death.. He said 'it is finished'. indeed.. any movement satan has, its allowed, and in his pride , still believing he can overthrow God, he moves.. that creature has no chance at Redemption. they cannot taste the Humility and Grace of God, thats why even knowing the Word of God and his demise as foretold, he moves in pride.. that 'ANGELIC' PRIDE, I cant even begin to desrcibe it.. cant on a human level... thats why he does what he does.. and even in his pride.. God still has a leash on him.... the Glory and Power of the Cross, its Appeasement, becomes so Real upon the reality of that Emnity between God the Creator and the one who walked into the Throne Room and told his Creator, it was at some time he was going to overthrow His Creator.... you can trace the Foundation of the Mystery of Iniquity right back to the Original Eden, where the serpent was... its upon this 'lie'.. that this Mystery will be allowed to blossom on a global scale, this during Daniels 70th week.. one needs to go back and read the encounter between the cunning serpent and Eve... the serpent will get many on this globe to believe that they can' create their own Eden on this Earth, a kingdom of God, without Heaven Returning.. ye shall be as gods , knowing good and evil'... they will take this and run.. those who are here in the Hour of Trial, those who are tested, these the inhabitants of the earth... this will come upon those here , like a Trap, that Trap cannot be sprung unless He that Lets is Removed... indeed...

That's all very true, John the Baptist, but what I'd love to see is somebody explain how the devil is, personally, smart. If you've ever known Satanists, you know they all see themselves as superior. How so? Why not more knuckleheads than anything, in for a hard landing?

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Yes, but here's the thing that's so weird. What kind of pride is there, in feeding at the table of your enemy? You know that dogs, who don't have rabies (a totally crazy dog bites!), don't bite the hand of the one that feeds them, no dog I've ever known: the most vicious, who may bite a stranger, wouldn't bite the one who fills their bowl and is good to them. (Please, any of you who've known such a dog, it's the exception, okay?) How can humans or other beings be lower than dogs, have less sense than a dog? Is such the substance of the "mystery of iniquity," perhaps, indeed, quite a mysterious, loaded phrase? Where is the sense in it? All I see is total insanity.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

feeding at the table of your enemy? Christ , He ate drank , with sinners, tax collectors, harlots, those whom the elite of His day would despise, shun, Christ walked amongst His enemies... teached and preached to His enemies... didnt lock himself up in a closet or some hidden place for fear of defiling Himself.. lolz.. as far as partaking in the abominations of the coming Harlot of Rev. 17? to adhere to those doctrines, to commune with them in their gatherings, communion with that coming abomination... feeding at its 'table'.. no.... His Elect will have no part in it.. those in Darkness will continue to follow darkness that poses as light.. their minds are blinded.. Only God Himself can remove those blinders... the enemy has a FACE and those led of the Spirit will recognize him when he comes posing as light, as he inhabits and controls those TARES He has sown. .indeed.. to see as Christ Saw and Hear as He heard... thats a Circumcision, done not with human theology and its applications, but thru the Eternal Spirit..

 

[JesusIsAll]

feeding at the table of your enemy? Christ , He ate drank , with sinners, tax collectors, harlots, those whom the elite of His day would despise, shun, Christ walked amongst His enemies... teached and preached to His enemies... didnt lock himself up in a closet or some hidden place for fear of defiling Himself.. lolz.. as far as partaking in the abominations of the coming Harlot of Rev. 17? to adhere to those doctrines, to commune with them in their gatherings, communion with that coming abomination... feeding at its 'table'.. no.... His Elect will have no part in it.. those in Darkness will continue to follow darkness that poses as light.. their minds are blinded.. Only God Himself can remove those blinders... the enemy has a FACE and those led of the Spirit will recognize him when he comes posing as light, as he inhabits and controls those TARES He has sown. .indeed.. to see as Christ Saw and Hear as He heard... thats a Circumcision, done not with human theology and its applications, but thru the Eternal Spirit..

Slow down. I fear you're not reading what was said. The thought was the evil, feeding from the hand of God they hate, which is no relationship to Christ being in the world, full of sinners.

 

[JesusIsAll]

An almost picture perfect portrait of the light bearer, his face in reality, this a person he controls and vexes... the light bearer, the shining one, the prince of the power of the air.. his external angelic features in that face are near perfect if ye were to 'meet' him face to face. or witness or observe him in Heaven when he accuses before the Father and Christ..


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Yes, the pictures, another example of the point. Rock and roll is mainly about sex, one famous rock and roll person saying, flat out, "Rock and roll is sex." But the songs? It's always called love, not lust. They have to put a silk hat on that pig. There's nothing in those songs about love, that goes to the cross. They have to hide their filth, because they know, in their heart of hearts, they're filthy, and nobody wants to hear their truth. Is that not symptomatic of self-loathing, even?

 

[Bowhunter2394]

That's all very true, John the Baptist, but what I'd love to see is somebody explain how the devil is, personally, smart. If you've ever known Satanists, you know they all see themselves as superior. How so? Why not more knuckleheads than anything, in for a hard landing?

how the devil is personally SMART? what does the Word tell you about him? you realize he was in God's Throne Room, he was the most beautiful angel God Created, sealed up the sum, full of wisdom and perfect in BEauty.. ANOINTED.. God anointed him, satanists? those have a better chance of entering the Kingdom of God than most who are sitting in pews today, traditionalized, indoctrinated to their own 'doctrine' they pull out as they pull God down to their level.. the devil is smart enough to 'decoy' people into believing that all those in 'church' or claim Christ are Genuine.. and to focus on the heathen and satanists, as the those who really need saving.. ... there are more people sitting in pews on Sunday Saturday Wednesday's that need Saving than those who are self proclaimed satanists outside man made churchianity.... 'churchianity' would love for those who are His Elect, spend all their time in 'churchianity'. not associating with those outside those walls who have never been proselyzed as 2 fold child of Gehenna fire.. thats a part of the apostate's 'charm and magic'.. an image.. making process.. the Elect are not ignorant of Satan's wiles and they are alive and well on here. as he comes holding out the Word of God.. indeed.. satan is a decoy artist. he loves to decoy. man speaks of a revival in churchianity'.. but its false revival......about the only Real Revival that will go on prior to Christ's coming will be those in His True Church, His Bride as they are refined and prepared for the Harpazo... these will stand out as the revival in churchianity, will be a slippery slope of Apostasy as , more and more tares are ADDED to the congregation, satan will be allowed to have. this on a global Scale, to Fulfill the Word of God.. when I hear about revival in churchianity.. then I know its of the apostate kind... huge numbers...large crowds, many weeds sown.. because God is Allowing it..

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Therefore I Endure all things for the Elect's sakes, that they may also Obtain the Salvation which is in Christ Jesus with Eternal Glory. indeed!

 

[JesusIsAll]

how the devil is personally SMART? what does the Word tell you about him? you realize he was in God's Throne Room, he was the most beautiful angel God Created, sealed up the sum, full of wisdom and perfect in BEauty.. ANOINTED.. God anointed him, satanists? those have a better chance of entering the Kingdom of God than most who are sitting in pews today, traditionalized, indoctrinated to their own 'doctrine' they pull out as they pull God down to their level..

The devil was beautiful and full of wisdom, until iniquity was found in him. Solomon was the world's wisest man, who became like a fool in his old age, over strange women and being politically correct. Yes, the devil is wise in the sense of sneaky and clever, but I believe only from the standpoint who wouldn't be? He's had thousands of years to hone his craft of evil and deception, against little people, of little time, going from birth to death, like flowers that bloom and fade. We scarcely have the time to learn some ropes. But even I can see the devil's mistakes, where he shoots himself in the foot, so many ways. Look at Revelation: the antichrist will crash and burn, faster than Hitler. And how clever is anybody going to feel, in hell?