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Read the Scripture: Romans 8:29-30

“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.”
These are the five steps that God takes, stretching from eternity to eternity
Far greater than any of our individual lives would suggest:
The first step is that God foreknew us. A lot of people talk about how God foreknew what we were going to do, he foreknew that we would believe in Christ. This verse is not dealing with that. This verse is concerned with the question of existence. It is telling us that from among the tremendous number of human beings that have been spawned onto this earth since the creation of man, God foreknew that you and I would be there — as well as all the believers who have preceded us or who will follow us in the course of history.
Then, Paul says, the next step is that God predestined: Ah, you say, I know what that means! That means God looked over the whole group and said, Now these will go to hell, and those will go to heaven. Predestination has nothing to do with going to hell. Predestination has to do only with believers. It simply tells us that God has selected before hand the goal toward which he is going to move every one of us who believes in Christ. That goal is conformity to the character of Christ. Everything that happens to us focuses on that one supreme purpose.
The third step is that God called us: This is where we get into the act. I could not begin to describe to you the mystery and wonder that is involved in this. This means that the Holy Spirit somehow begins to work in our lives. We may be far removed from God, we may have grown up in a non-Christian family, we may be involved in a totally non-Christian faith, or we may be from a Christian home. It does not make any difference. God begins to work and he draws us to himself.
Fourth, those God called, he justified: Justification is God's gift of worth. Those who are justified are forgiven, cleansed, and given the position before him of being loved, accepted, wanted, and endeared. By the cross, God was freed to give the gift of righteousness. Had he given it apart from the cross, he could have been properly accused of condoning sin — but the cross freed him. It established his righteous justice on other grounds, so that he is now free to give to us the gift of worth without any merit on our part.
Then, finally, those God justified, he also glorified: Paul writes as though this had already happened. It has already begun, and God counts it as true. Glorification is the exciting day which the whole creation is anticipating, when God is suddenly going to pull back the curtains on what he has been doing with the human race. Suddenly, the sons of God will stand out in glory.
There are none lost in the process. Those whom he foreknew, before the foundation of the world, he also predestined to conform to the likeness of his Son; the same number of people he called; and the ones he called, he also justified; the very ones he justified, he also glorified. No one is lost in the process, because God is responsible for it. It is going to involve pain and toil, but it is going to happen, because what God sets out to do, he does — no matter what it takes.

Father, I am so grateful for your eternal purposes which allow me to rest in deep gratitude for your grace and mercy.

Life Application: What are five aspects of God's eternal plan for those called according to His purpose? How does this radically change our 'time-management' perspectives?
 
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"For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters." (Romans 8:29 NLT)

"This is true because he already knew his people and had already appointed them to have the same form as the image of his Son. Therefore, his Son is the firstborn among many children." (Romans 8:29 GWT).

"We know this because God knew them in advance, and he decided in advance that they would be conformed to the image of his Son. That way his Son would be the first of many brothers and sisters." (Romans 8:29 CEV).

" Those whom God had already chosen he also set apart to become like his Son, so that the Son would be the first among many believers." (Romans 8:29 GNT).

"God knew from the beginning who would put their trust in Him. So He chose them and made them to be like His Son. Christ was first and all those who belong to God are His brothers." (Romans 8:29 NLV).



 
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We are elected according to the foreknowledge of God the Father (1 Peter 1:1, 2)
(Pay special close attention to verse 2).

In other words, God was able to choose us before the world was created because He is aware of our future free will choices far in the future. God is eternal and He is outside of linear time.

"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" (Isaiah 46:10).

From everlasting to everlasting Thou Art God (Psalm 90:2).
 
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We are elected according to the foreknowledge of God the Father (1 Peter 1:1, 2)
(Pay special close attention to verse 2).

In other words, God was able to choose us before the world was created because He is aware of our future free will choices far in the future. God is eternal and He is outside of linear time.

"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" (Isaiah 46:10).

From everlasting to everlasting Thou Art God (Psalm 90:2).
Are you saying He chose us because we [first] chose Him?
 
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Read the Scripture: Romans 8:29-30

“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.”
These are the five steps that God takes, stretching from eternity to eternity
Far greater than any of our individual lives would suggest:
The first step is that God foreknew us. A lot of people talk about how God foreknew what we were going to do, he foreknew that we would believe in Christ. This verse is not dealing with that. This verse is concerned with the question of existence. It is telling us that from among the tremendous number of human beings that have been spawned onto this earth since the creation of man, God foreknew that you and I would be there — as well as all the believers who have preceded us or who will follow us in the course of history.
Then, Paul says, the next step is that God predestined: Ah, you say, I know what that means! That means God looked over the whole group and said, Now these will go to hell, and those will go to heaven. Predestination has nothing to do with going to hell. Predestination has to do only with believers. It simply tells us that God has selected before hand the goal toward which he is going to move every one of us who believes in Christ. That goal is conformity to the character of Christ. Everything that happens to us focuses on that one supreme purpose.
The third step is that God called us: This is where we get into the act. I could not begin to describe to you the mystery and wonder that is involved in this. This means that the Holy Spirit somehow begins to work in our lives. We may be far removed from God, we may have grown up in a non-Christian family, we may be involved in a totally non-Christian faith, or we may be from a Christian home. It does not make any difference. God begins to work and he draws us to himself.
Fourth, those God called, he justified: Justification is God's gift of worth. Those who are justified are forgiven, cleansed, and given the position before him of being loved, accepted, wanted, and endeared. By the cross, God was freed to give the gift of righteousness. Had he given it apart from the cross, he could have been properly accused of condoning sin — but the cross freed him. It established his righteous justice on other grounds, so that he is now free to give to us the gift of worth without any merit on our part.
Then, finally, those God justified, he also glorified: Paul writes as though this had already happened. It has already begun, and God counts it as true. Glorification is the exciting day which the whole creation is anticipating, when God is suddenly going to pull back the curtains on what he has been doing with the human race. Suddenly, the sons of God will stand out in glory.
There are none lost in the process. Those whom he foreknew, before the foundation of the world, he also predestined to conform to the likeness of his Son; the same number of people he called; and the ones he called, he also justified; the very ones he justified, he also glorified. No one is lost in the process, because God is responsible for it. It is going to involve pain and toil, but it is going to happen, because what God sets out to do, he does — no matter what it takes.

Father, I am so grateful for your eternal purposes which allow me to rest in deep gratitude for your grace and mercy.

Life Application: What are five aspects of God's eternal plan for those called according to His purpose? How does this radically change our 'time-management' perspectives?
You speak of God taking steps as if God is linear, stuck in time like the rest of us, and forced to make due with current events.

God created time and space, thus he never has had to do stuff linear. It's all available to him -- time, space, that furthest planet on the other side of the universe, right down to a single scale on a small minnow hiding out in a pool of water under Death Valley.

You're missing eternity completely. God is foreknowing right now. He foreknew. He will foreknow. He knows because he knows all. He predestines because he always has and always will. Eternal. Really big word! Unimaginable, so try not to convince us you've imagined it. I haven't.
 

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God is also dealing with the finite....us.
He became a man in time.
He bled in time.
He rose in time.
He is returning in time.
We are saved in time.
We were justified in time.
We will be glorified in time
...and I have a headache in time :mad:
 
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Are you saying He chose us because we [first] chose Him?
We love Him because He first loved us (1 John 4:19). This is because God knew all of us and our future free will choices before we came into physical existence. He loved us before the foundation of the world and knew before the foundation of the world that He would have to send His Son.
 
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Foreknowledge or not, no one is chosen until they respond to the call of God. God knows who is going to respond to his call but they are not chosen until they respond, neither is a person saved by grace until they respond to the work of the Son by faith. We can not use predestination or God's foreknowledge to justify our calling for the call of God is for all men in all the world and not just for some (Psalm 19:1-4, 22:27, 33:8, Mt 24:14, 28:18-20, Mk 16:15, John 17:21, Acts 15:18, 17:31, Rom 3:19, 5:12-21, 10:18, John 1:12, 2 Pt 3:9) . Paul said that he was called and set apart from the womb to reveal God's Son in him and proclaim him among the Gentiles (Gal 1:15,16).

The call of God did not go into effect until Paul was ready to receive it by grace. When Paul was struck by light on the road to Damascus, he knew nothing of his call until the Lord spoke to him and said in (Acts 9:4,5) 'why do you persecute me' and revealed his named to him. That call was a specific calling with a chosen purpose (Acts 9:15) and it was made known to him very clearly. Paul was humbled and prepared by God in the next three years in Arabia at Damascus (Gal 1:17,18) before he could return to Jerusalem. Since the cross, the gospel is what God uses to call sinners to Christ through repentance, where they turn from their own ways unto Christ, the only way.

2 Tim 1:9-10

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.

That calling was in Christ and given us before the world began because it was eternal and not temporal and it was by grace through faith. It was made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, abolishing death bringing life and immortality to light through the gospel. We received that calling by faith as a little child and the grace of God began to be established in our hearts. We were not eternal but Christ is eternal and we were given this holy calling not according to our works but according to his purpose and grace. Many are called by the gospel but those who respond by grace through faith make up the few that are chosen as vessels of mercy.

Rom 14-24

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
 
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"For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters." (Romans 8:29 NLT)

"This is true because he already knew his people and had already appointed them to have the same form as the image of his Son. Therefore, his Son is the firstborn among many children." (Romans 8:29 GWT).

"We know this because God knew them in advance, and he decided in advance that they would be conformed to the image of his Son. That way his Son would be the first of many brothers and sisters." (Romans 8:29 CEV).

" Those whom God had already chosen he also set apart to become like his Son, so that the Son would be the first among many believers." (Romans 8:29 GNT).

"God knew from the beginning who would put their trust in Him. So He chose them and made them to be like His Son. Christ was first and all those who belong to God are His brothers." (Romans 8:29 NLV).



Jason, explain what it means for Christ to be the first born among many brethren according to the foreknowledge of God? When is the believer placed in Christ, in eternity past or the moment he believes unto righteousness in his heart? Are you of the persuasion that all believers are predestined to believe no matter what choices they make? When God has mercy on those he has mercy, can that mercy be resisted? If not, then how can the Holy Spirit be resisted, by only those who are reserved unto darkness? Can the call of God go out through the gospel and the conviction of the Spirit and be resisted by those who God is not willing should perish? Does God have a greater desire toward those you believe have been predestinated then those who remain in unbelief? Did not the blood that was shed by the Son also cover the sins of those who remain in unbelief? Does the scriptures testify that God is willing that some should perish and that only some should come to repentance? Did God only love some of the world and sent his Son to provide a limited atonement for the remission of sins concerning only those who were predestined?
 

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We love Him because He first loved us (1 John 4:19). This is because God knew all of us and our future free will choices before we came into physical existence. He loved us before the foundation of the world and knew before the foundation of the world that He would have to send His Son.
So He chose us on the basis that we first chose Him?
I'm beginning to wonder who is eternal here.