Discussion about the spiritual realm and it's laws

[Blain]

Just something I was pondering on my walk today. The spiritual realm vs the physical realm, there are laws and physics here that control how we do things and how things in this world works, Gravity is one example here we cannot fly and things are bound to the ground by gravity for the most part but in the spiritual realm it could be completely different. in this world a castle in on the ground but in the spiritual realm it could be a floating castle with no real logic as to how it floats.

But to be more specific I was pondering the laws of the spiritual realm with God. For instance I was told long ago how dangerous it is to challenge satan and honestly with how much he tells me how I am not good enough or strong enough I often times tend to back talk to him mostly how i am stronger than he says I am or something however sometimes I fear I go to far because I really tend to get angry at him and while I don't openly challenge him sometimes my words tend to appear that way to me. It made me wonder about the spiritual laws like what opens one door and closes another what allows satan or his minions to be able to attack you and then I in all of this I asked myself wait i don't get it am I supposed to be afraid of him or not?

Still discussing the laws and the way the spiritual realm is seemed like a very interesting thread and certainly better than another heated debate over a subject that been discussed over and over and if you go the bdf often you know the subjects I speak of as there are many

 

[wattie]

In regards to Satan- sure he can attack.. but a demon can never 'indwell' a saved person. That would be a demon co-habitating with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is waaaaay more powerful than any demon and the demon could never get in.

So that is one spiritual law.

A saved person can struggle with sin ya but never be 'possessed' by a demon.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

I certainly don't think that as a Christian you should fear Satan but without Christ he would be more powerful that you or I. I think you should have a healthy respect for what he is capable of but that's it.

 

[Jeff_56]

the gift,

gift(s),

with jesus, from our father in heaven,

include righteousness, peace, and joy.

also a sound (stable, steady) mind,

and a path in front of us prepared by him before the world was even created.....

 

[Jruiz]

I don't know but I'm doing a bible study on demons. My mom's sees them often. When I was 16 I messed with witchcraft and even tried to summoned a spirit(communicate with the dead). I didn't realize what I was doing,but I was haunted for months! It went from hearing small banging in the walls to seeing a demon in broad daylight. One night I was scared and left my bedroom door opened but I was hearing foot steps down the hall and of course no one's there,so I shut the door.As soon as I shut the door heard loud scratching/scraping at my door. I was terrified!I prayed and cried out to God..and that night he spoke to me and said.."when evil comes,I'll keep thy foot from being taken".God had mercy on me and spoke to me before I was even born again...now that I'm born again I get harassed pretty often and sometimes I feel like I'm going nuts. I asked God to reveal to me if it's demonic or if Its mental and that I can't live like this! Last week I was laying in bed and layed hands on my unbelieving husband and started praying the God would pour out his spirit upon him and lead him to truth along with several other people..as I was praying I felt the Holy Spirit come upon me. I was shown a vision of a woman. I watch as her face was being put together(slowly appeared) rather than a picture in front of you...Anyway! I knew God was showing me this woman so I will pray for her...that next day I'm laying in bed and I start getting vision after vision..random pictures. To make a long story short I believe it was Satan or a demonic influence trying to counterfeit what God shown me. Not to mention! A simular situation when I had an open vision of Jesus. It was an amazing experience,not only did I see him but I got to feel who Jesus was. Love and peace radiated off of him. There's nothing I could compare it to. Few days after I'm laying in bed and I hear my name bring called so I opened up my eyes and saw Jesus face,his hair was butchered,his eyes turned a red color and had an evil grin on his face as he was laughing his head was seating side to side
Anyway! That does sound pretty crazy! But these are real experiences I had...

 

[wattie]

I don't know but I'm doing a bible study on demons. My mom's sees them often. When I was 16 I messed with witchcraft and even tried to summoned a spirit(communicate with the dead). I didn't realize what I was doing,but I was haunted for months! It went from hearing small banging in the walls to seeing a demon in broad daylight. One night I was scared and left my bedroom door opened but I was hearing foot steps down the hall and of course no one's there,so I shut the door.As soon as I shut the door heard loud scratching/scraping at my door. I was terrified!I prayed and cried out to God..and that night he spoke to me and said.."when evil comes,I'll keep thy foot from being taken".God had mercy on me and spoke to me before I was even born again...now that I'm born again I get harassed pretty often and sometimes I feel like I'm going nuts. I asked God to reveal to me if it's demonic or if Its mental and that I can't live like this! Last week I was laying in bed and layed hands on my unbelieving husband and started praying the God would pour out his spirit upon him and lead him to truth along with several other people..as I was praying I felt the Holy Spirit come upon me. I was shown a vision of a woman. I watch as her face was being put together(slowly appeared) rather than a picture in front of you...Anyway! I knew God was showing me this woman so I will pray for her...that next day I'm laying in bed and I start getting vision after vision..random pictures. To make a long story short I believe it was Satan or a demonic influence trying to counterfeit what God shown me. Not to mention! A simular situation when I had an open vision of Jesus. It was an amazing experience,not only did I see him but I got to feel who Jesus was. Love and peace radiated off of him. There's nothing I could compare it to. Few days after I'm laying in bed and I hear my name bring called so I opened up my eyes and saw Jesus face,his hair was butchered,his eyes turned a red color and had an evil grin on his face as he was laughing his head was seating side to side
Anyway! That does sound pretty crazy! But these are real experiences I had...

If I were you I'd start grounding my faith in the Word and not experiences. Experiences come and go and may or may not be from God. Getting to know scripture well will give far more peace.

Don't want to get on the mouse wheel of emotion .. where if something doesn't 'feel' a certain way then it isn't from God.

I don't really know your situation completely but just sounds like you need some assurance and firmly rooted faith.

 

[Blain]

If I were you I'd start grounding my faith in the Word and not experiences. Experiences come and go and may or may not be from God. Getting to know scripture well will give far more peace.

Don't want to get on the mouse wheel of emotion .. where if something doesn't 'feel' a certain way then it isn't from God.

I don't really know your situation completely but just sounds like you need some assurance and firmly rooted faith.

the word is indeed important but you can't just discard spiritual experiences I have had many myself not to mention there were tons in the bible.

 

[TheMiracleMan]

But to be more specific I was pondering the laws of the spiritual realm with God.

What laws of the spirit realm, were you and God pondering together?

Oh by all means tell us one?

 

[Chrysolite]

Just something I was pondering on my walk today. The spiritual realm vs the physical realm, there are laws and physics here that control how we do things and how things in this world works, Gravity is one example here we cannot fly and things are bound to the ground by gravity for the most part but in the spiritual realm it could be completely different. in this world a castle in on the ground but in the spiritual realm it could be a floating castle with no real logic as to how it floats.

It seems to me that spiritual things overrides the laws of physics, like walking on water. You can say to this mountain without any doubt in your heart, "be uprooted and be thrown into the sea", it will happen. Christ has shown us how to do it. (Matthew 21:18).

It looks to me that having doubt works against this. I see a law working here. The mere presence of doubt in your heart would not make it work. A person who is skeptical and a critical thinker will have a hard time because his mind is "physically" bound to this world.

I think it takes practice of the mind because the natural mind will always go against it making you doubt immediately, like Peter. Peter almost had it, he walked on water, perhaps a few feet, until he doubt.

Christ told Peter,"Why did you doubt?"

In this modern world, it's difficult not to doubt because we have science to explain things. I'm not saying that science is bad, all I'm saying is that we should not rely too much on science to answer everything if we want to cast doubts away.

If you want things to happen, "do not doubt, but believe" seems to be a law of the spiritual realm.

But to be more specific I was pondering the laws of the spiritual realm with God. For instance I was told long ago how dangerous it is to challenge satan and honestly with how much he tells me how I am not good enough or strong enough I often times tend to back talk to him mostly how i am stronger than he says I am or something however sometimes I fear I go to far because I really tend to get angry at him and while I don't openly challenge him sometimes my words tend to appear that way to me.

Just say the most powerful name in the universe, "in the name of Jesus", he will flee immediately.

 

[TheMiracleMan]

I am going to say something very profound and unknown to ALL of you.

Unless you have the knowledge and can understand that knowledge of this principal.

You will not enter into the realm of the spiritual realm with any understanding.

​The physical realm is the manifestation of the spiritual realm.

And the reason I am revealing this to you is not to exalt myself

but to point out to you for the sake of my own pleasure

your place in the order of things.

 

[TheMiracleMan]

If any of you on all the earth
had any knowledge and understanding of the spirit realm and it's laws.

You would be using them in your ever day life to increase yourself in this world.

And you would be teaching others for whatever reason.

And it would be common knowledge among you.

But it's not. That is why none of you know anything about it.

 

[Blain]

If any of you on all the earth
had any knowledge and understanding of the spirit realm and it's laws.

You would be using them in your ever day life to increase yourself in this world.

And you would be teaching others for whatever reason.

And it would be common knowledge among you.

But it's not. That is why none of you know anything about it.

This attitude of yours is is not benefiting you God or anyone else, arrogance being high and mighty is a poison to your faith and your heart. You asked the laws God and I were pondering and I would gladly tell you if you actually wanted to know but it's clear you don't. It is not for you to decide the path and the things each believer is to take and do nor for you to judge others because they do not do what you believe we are all supposed to do in this point in our faith.

 

[RickyZ]

Amen Blain. Attitudes like that say you don't know what you are talking about, miracle man.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

If any of you on all the earth
had any knowledge and understanding of the spirit realm and it's laws.

You would be using them in your ever day life to increase yourself in this world.

And you would be teaching others for whatever reason.

And it would be common knowledge among you.

But it's not. That is why none of you know anything about it.

May we say gnostic alert?

 

[TheMiracleMan]

This attitude of yours is is not benefiting you God or anyone else, arrogance being high and mighty is a poison to your faith and your heart. You asked the laws God and I were pondering and I would gladly tell you if you actually wanted to know but it's clear you don't. It is not for you to decide the path and the things each believer is to take and do nor for you to judge others because they do not do what you believe we are all supposed to do in this point in our faith.

​I certainly do not believe this you have said about me is true.
Do you believe God believes this is true what you have said about me?

 

[TheMiracleMan]

Amen Blain. Attitudes like that say you don't know what you are talking about, miracle man.

The first question I would ask you if you and I were standing before God is this...

How many times has your opinion of anyone ever been wrong in your life?

I am most certain God would quickly dismiss you.

 

[RickyZ]

If I were you I'd start grounding my faith in the Word and not experiences. Experiences come and go and may or may not be from God. Getting to know scripture well will give far more peace.

Faith requires action, actions produce experience. It does you no good to know God's word if you don't put it into action and experience it. That's why so many deny spiritual laws like the Gifts. If you don't believe in things like healing, then you're never going to experience one.

Knowing the Word is good. Not experiencing it in action is not.

 

[TheMiracleMan]

May we say gnostic alert?

Thank you for the warning. But I will not hold it against you. I will still treat you as
I would want you to treat me.

 

[RickyZ]

The first question I would ask you if you and I were standing before God is this...

How many times has your opinion of anyone ever been wrong in your life?

Too many to count, that's for sure. How about you? Sounds like your ill informed opinions never get reviewed or corrected, else you might be a bit more humble than you show yourself to be.

If you and I were standing before God... I certainly wouldn't be taking the moral high ground to question you. I'd just be glad that we were both there.

 

[MarcR]

Jas 4:6-10

6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.


8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.

10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
KJV