Could signs of worldwide revival be a deception?
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I see my time is limited. 
Can you be a wee more specific?
Can you be a wee more specific?
That's what I see there.
I have now come to realize we don't see this as the same thing, so I'm really asking. What do you see in those verses?
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I can only say one thing from the Holy Spirit in heart. ( lol...no scripture do I know to back me up...but I'm fine) I just know that Gods power of love is sooo strong! Obviously he tolerates...and tolerates...and tolerates. Til someday He is going to say LISTEN! And...um...I'm glad my soul is saved when He does! I hush now! Lol...God bless you all! Good day in love!
I hush now! Lol...God bless you all! Good day in love! The pre trib rapture of the Church. I didn't see judgment there.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-16
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-16
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
You're way over there. ---------------------------------------------------->
<--------------------------------------------------------I'm way over here.
Please back up some.
What worldwide revival? I remember no such thing in the Bible. What worldwide peace? I distinctly remember Jesus saying there will be wars and rumor of wars, but that's not his sign, so I assumed there would always be war until Christ return. Even then, he's destroying this heaven and earth, so this earth never sees peace.
You're going to have to back up big time, because I don't get any of this.
<--------------------------------------------------------I'm way over here.
Please back up some.
What worldwide revival? I remember no such thing in the Bible. What worldwide peace? I distinctly remember Jesus saying there will be wars and rumor of wars, but that's not his sign, so I assumed there would always be war until Christ return. Even then, he's destroying this heaven and earth, so this earth never sees peace.
You're going to have to back up big time, because I don't get any of this.
"For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." 1 Thessalonians 5:3
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Well you are probably familiar with Amillennium view which seems to be in vogue. I am coming from more of a Dispensational view (and I don't mean Hal Lindsey or sensationalism) but a view that sees Israel and the Church as having distinct dealings by God especially with future events and it's a view that takes a more literal approach to Scriptures than Amillennials.
See books by Ryrie, Walvoord, Chafer, Pentecost etc., and then compare them with Amillennium writers or your view and of course most of all with Scripture.
See books by Ryrie, Walvoord, Chafer, Pentecost etc., and then compare them with Amillennium writers or your view and of course most of all with Scripture.
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Scripture to consider that we (if this is referring to believers as saints) who are still alive will see these things, and with all this is;
"I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;" Daniel 7:21
Revelation 13:4-7
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
If we are gone before all this happens, then we can believe in a pretrib rapture. There won't be anyone here for the beast to make war with if we are all gone. I think a "pretrib rapture theory" causes the church to be somewhat apathetic.
"I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;" Daniel 7:21
Revelation 13:4-7
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
If we are gone before all this happens, then we can believe in a pretrib rapture. There won't be anyone here for the beast to make war with if we are all gone. I think a "pretrib rapture theory" causes the church to be somewhat apathetic.
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This covers the sleepers, the dead in Christ, and the ones still alive. That trump is the same trump (I'm assuming, and maybe I shouldn't, but what's another choice?) on the mountain when God came to call up Moses to give him the law. It's God as best we see his glory in this form. What's left but to judge? Why isn't this the end of the big shabang? Why bother letting nonbelievers hang around some more? Kind of like the rich man looking at Lazarus being cuddled by God. He knew this before he died. The nonbelievers know this. Nothing changed with the rich man other than the big glimpse of "Man! That was a stupidest decision." But, it's too late. He has to live with that forever.
How is this different for anyone else left if God only collects his people? There is no more purpose on earth. No God, no glory, no purpose.
How is this different for anyone else left if God only collects his people? There is no more purpose on earth. No God, no glory, no purpose.
Notice after ch4 Revelation is mainly in OT terminology, idioms, illusions and phrases thus pointing to the fact that God is dealing again with the Jews. The Church is gone during the Wrath...
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
whose context is not hell but the rapture.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
whose context is not hell but the rapture.
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You're quoting from Scripture describing the midpoint of the Tribulation. The only believers here then will not be Spirit-indwelled believers, but those who come to faith in Christ after the present-day church is removed to heaven to enjoy the Wedding Feast of the Lamb. Still, those Tribulation saints will be sealed, though not indwelled, by a sign to their foreheads that I speculate will not visible to any but other believers. Therefore, the answer to you question is an absolute and unequivocal "No!"
No, they are the words of the antichrist.
The deception of unbelief, which has always been with us.
See, I knew this is where you were going. No, the Rapture is not a "deception. It is God's promise to His church.
No, the believers of the Tribulation will refuse the mark, even knowing it will cost them their head. The unbeliever at that time masquerading as a believer will take the mark and be exposed, thereby assuring his/her destruction at Christ's return.
No, they are the words of the antichrist.
The deception of unbelief, which has always been with us.
See, I knew this is where you were going. No, the Rapture is not a "deception. It is God's promise to His church.
No, the believers of the Tribulation will refuse the mark, even knowing it will cost them their head. The unbeliever at that time masquerading as a believer will take the mark and be exposed, thereby assuring his/her destruction at Christ's return.