Could signs of worldwide revival be a deception?

[just-me]

I was thinking of how the adversary (the antiChrist) could deceive in making professing Christians think that he was actually the Messiah.
Could it be true that a world peace could be constituted in our lifetime by a doctrine that the Bible calls Balaam, likened to the church in Pergamos in Revelation 2:12-16.

Will professing Christians be overwhelmed, and in awe of the deceiver's immense power?
"And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live." Revelation 13:13-14

Are the thunders actually today's technology that seems sweet to the taste, and then causes bitterness when we begin to digest it?
"And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter." Revelation chapter 10

What deception will need to be in place to cause this?
"And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle:" Revelation 20:8

Has the deceiver already set a precedence of apathy in the church, causing a desire to believe we will be taken up before all this happens? Will we be forced to take the mark because it will be the only means of survival without growing our own stuff?
"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth." Revelation 12:15-16

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Scriptures don't speak of a revival of the Church, but rather a falling away from the faith and the saints being overcome by lies and false doctrine.

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

 

[Sirk]

Seems like satan will use a seemingly easy solution to economic pain to follow him. Satan ain't gonna come with horns and a pitchfork. It'll look like a good idea to those who aren't paying attention.

 

[yaright]

I was thinking of how the adversary (the antiChrist) could deceive in making professing Christians think that he was actually the Messiah.
Could it be true that a world peace could be constituted in our lifetime by a doctrine that the Bible calls Balaam, likened to the church in Pergamos in Revelation 2:12-16.

Will professing Christians be overwhelmed, and in awe of the deceiver's immense power?
"And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live." Revelation 13:13-14

Are the thunders actually today's technology that seems sweet to the taste, and then causes bitterness when we begin to digest it?
"And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter." Revelation chapter 10

What deception will need to be in place to cause this?
"And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle:" Revelation 20:8

Has the deceiver already set a precedence of apathy in the church, causing a desire to believe we will be taken up before all this happens? Will we be forced to take the mark because it will be the only means of survival without growing our own stuff?
"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth." Revelation 12:15-16

I know you did a lot of research, and I don't want to appear like I am indifferent to your effort. The one thing that sticks in my mind is Jesus saying that the antichrist is a person who says Jesus is not the one who is coming, and that the antichrist is here now (then and today). This language isn't about one person, but anyone who would attempt to turn me away from my faith in Jesus. To point my finger in judgement to condemn is not my place to do. Those who do not believe are condemned already, just as christians then and today are/were before the time of repentance.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Scriptures don't speak of a revival of the Church, but rather a falling away from the faith and the saints being overcome by lies and false doctrine.

Daniel 12:7
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

this is correct...however we cannot really know if we are at that point in history yet...many revivals have happened in the past...and it is only through the questionable assumption that we are in the final approach to the end time that anyone can deny that a revival could happen in the near future...

also it seems to me that the 'great apostasy' will be accompanied by revival and unity in the true church...when all of the false teachers and self promoters leave the church will be one in all truth just as jesus prayed before his death in john's gospel...

 

[dcontroversal]

Evil men and seducers will wax worse and worse....and Paul said that two things will take place before the parousia of Jesus and our gathering together unto him......

a. A great apo-hystamie of/from the truth<--the complete apostatization of humanity
b. The man of sin be revealed the SON of PERDITION

 

[just-me]

I think this verse debunks a pretrib rapture, otherwise the beast would have no one to make war against during that time. Maybe this doctrine has taken such a hold that some who claim salvation don't care because they will escape before this all begins. If a pretib rapture will take place, I wonder how many that will be left behind will ask, and converse with others, "why weren't we told it would be this way?" The answer will probably be, "could be they just weren't concerned."

"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." Revelation 13:7

 

[Willie-T]

I know you did a lot of research, and I don't want to appear like I am indifferent to your effort. The one thing that sticks in my mind is Jesus saying that the antichrist is a person who says Jesus is not the one who is coming, and that the antichrist is here now (then and today). This language isn't about one person, but anyone who would attempt to turn me away from my faith in Jesus. To point my finger in judgement to condemn is not my place to do. Those who do not believe are condemned already, just as christians then and today are/were before the time of repentance.

Alright! Someone who seems to read what the Bible actually says.

 

[Sirk]

I think this verse debunks a pretrib rapture, otherwise the beast would have no one to make war against during that time. Maybe this doctrine has taken such a hold that some who claim salvation don't care because they will escape before this all begins. If a pretib rapture will take place, I wonder how many that will be left behind will ask, and converse with others, "why weren't we told it would be this way?" The answer will probably be, "could be they just weren't concerned."

"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." Revelation 13:7

why would we be given preferential treatment over all Christians who came before us? I think the rapture is wishful thinking....especially the pre trib one.

 

[JesusLives]

Matthew 24:…23"Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him. 24"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25"Behold, I have told you in advance.

2 Corinthians 11:....13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

Zechariah 14:....3Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. 4In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.

We are told not to believe if someone says Christ has returned and is in such and such a place because satan himself can appear as an angel of light and could be impersonating Jesus and performing these miracles which could cause a false revival....

What would we do today if we saw someone healing people and doing works that Jesus did the first time? Don't you think you might be drawn to that but we are told to be careful and it is why it is so important to know how Jesus returns to earth as stated in...

1Thessalonians 4...15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lor

Acts 1....10And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. 11They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."

Jesus ascended in the clouds and will come again the same way....

Revelation 1.... 7BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen

 

[crossnote]

why would we be given preferential treatment over all Christians who came before us? I think the rapture is wishful thinking....especially the pre trib one.

Rapture wishful thinking? Then what out of the world is this?

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[just-me]

Matthew 24:…23"Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him. 24"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25"Behold, I have told you in advance.

2 Corinthians 11:....13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

Zechariah 14:....3Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. 4In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.

We are told not to believe if someone says Christ has returned and is in such and such a place because satan himself can appear as an angel of light and could be impersonating Jesus and performing these miracles which could cause a false revival....

What would we do today if we saw someone healing people and doing works that Jesus did the first time? Don't you think you might be drawn to that but we are told to be careful and it is why it is so important to know how Jesus returns to earth as stated in...

1Thessalonians 4...15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lor

Acts 1....10And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. 11They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."

Jesus ascended in the clouds and will come again the same way....

Revelation 1.... 7BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen

The dead in Christ will rise first. AMEN I take that as one of the very last signs. Look up, for our redemption draws very close. The tribulation comes first to separate the sheep from the goats, and the wheat from the tares. That involves a sorting, and a sifting.

 

[just-me]

Rapture wishful thinking? Then what out of the world is this?

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

That scripture has to be taken in context with what Jesus said. Jesus isn't coming in the clouds twice, but only once.

Matthew 24:29-31
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Sirk]

Rapture wishful thinking? Then what out of the world is this?

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Im familiar with the passage and I don't know. I realize what it implies and suppose I should take a harder look at it.

 

[just-me]

Im familiar with the passage and I don't know. I realize what it implies and suppose I should take a harder look at it.

1 Corinthians 15:52-53, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, and Matthew 24:29-31 are all the same event.

 

[crossnote]

That scripture has to be taken in context with what Jesus said. Jesus isn't coming in the clouds twice, but only once.

Matthew 24:29-31
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

yes this passage is about Christ 2nd Coming to earth, 1Thess was speaking of our gathering to Him in the air (a mystery revealed to Paul). You must deal with Thess as well as Matt.

 

[just-me]

yes this passage is about Christ 2nd Coming to earth, 1Thess was speaking of our gathering to Him in the air (a mystery revealed to Paul). You must deal with Thess as well as Matt.

The rhetorical question then is, "Is Jesus coming back more than once?" Here is my thought. He is coming back once, and we will meet Him in the air. Right after that, we will descend with Him to earth and fight with Him in Megiddo. Then this will be the beginning of His reign on earth for 1000 years after that battle is won. I read nowhere in scripture that we will go to heaven with Him at this point. Just my thoughts.

 

[crossnote]

The rhetorical question then is, "Is Jesus coming back more than once?"

He's coming back to EARTH once

 

[crossnote]

...with his saints

1 Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

 

[atwhatcost]

I was thinking of how the adversary (the antiChrist) could deceive in making professing Christians think that he was actually the Messiah.
Could it be true that a world peace could be constituted in our lifetime by a doctrine that the Bible calls Balaam, likened to the church in Pergamos in Revelation 2:12-16.

Will professing Christians be overwhelmed, and in awe of the deceiver's immense power?
"And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live." Revelation 13:13-14

Are the thunders actually today's technology that seems sweet to the taste, and then causes bitterness when we begin to digest it?
"And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter." Revelation chapter 10

What deception will need to be in place to cause this?
"And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle:" Revelation 20:8

Has the deceiver already set a precedence of apathy in the church, causing a desire to believe we will be taken up before all this happens? Will we be forced to take the mark because it will be the only means of survival without growing our own stuff?
"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth." Revelation 12:15-16

You're way over there. ---------------------------------------------------->
<--------------------------------------------------------I'm way over here.

Please back up some.

What worldwide revival? I remember no such thing in the Bible. What worldwide peace? I distinctly remember Jesus saying there will be wars and rumor of wars, but that's not his sign, so I assumed there would always be war until Christ return. Even then, he's destroying this heaven and earth, so this earth never sees peace.

You're going to have to back up big time, because I don't get any of this.