The worm that dies not
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"better" is an arbitrary label. In other words; some manuscripts are called
better only because they are older rather than actually proven to be
superior.
Anyway, though the reliability of Mark's version is contested, I am unaware
of challenges to Isaiah's version.
†. Isa 66:22-24 . . All humanity will come to worship me from week to week
and from month to month. And as they go out, they will see the dead bodies
of those who have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them will
never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by
will view them with utter loathing.
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"better" is an arbitrary label. In other words; some manuscripts are called
better only because they are older rather than actually proven to be
superior.
Anyway, though the reliability of Mark's version is contested, I am unaware
of challenges to Isaiah's version.
†. Isa 66:22-24 . . All humanity will come to worship me from week to week
and from month to month. And as they go out, they will see the dead bodies
of those who have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them will
never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by
will view them with utter loathing.
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Many commentators say that Mk 9:44 is not found in the 'better' manuscripts.
I don't know about worms but I know some threads never die due to people's
vain imaginations
I don't know about worms but I know some threads never die due to people's
vain imaginations
And that is like the slogan verse of most posters on this board no?
Its been confirmed again and again to not be in any of the earlier manuscripts, and so using your words, I suppose theres a lot more vain imaginations running about here then his single verse here.
Thats if you would count it in the same way equally as the other.
Im guessing not though LOL
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I think he just wants to find out the significance in leaving Manna as Moses gave and the leaving it until the morning and how to rightfully see something as it could pertain in Christ.
They were instructed to lay it up here for generations to come
Exodus 16:33-34 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omer full of manna therein, and lay it up before the LORD, to be kept for your generations. As the LORD commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept.
The leaving of the body of the one hanged was not to be left all night such as is shown in Duet 21:23 some folks love to see if they can catch more in these things.
Could be just as simple as not hoarding as Joseph was similarly instructed to do in a famine.
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I love this picture to catch a comparitive picture of redemption in, like if you jump from blotting out sins and as a cloud (at the end when Christ was taken up) is the "through whom" we have redemption (even the forgiveness of sins). Made white in the blood of the Lamb, our sins as scarlet (put on him) and his righteousness (on us).
Isaiah 44:22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy trangessions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
John 1:29 ....Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Through him is preached the forgiveness of sins
Mat 27:28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
Sins as scarlet, he who knew no sin made sin (that we could be the righteousness of God in Him)
Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Which reminds me of what followed after (let us reason together)
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; andwith his stripes we are healed.
This is sort of cool though, repeating here sins, cloud redemption
Isaiah 44:22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: returned unto me; for I have redeemed thee
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Isaiah 44:22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy trangessions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
John 1:29 ....Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Through him is preached the forgiveness of sins
Mat 27:28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
Sins as scarlet, he who knew no sin made sin (that we could be the righteousness of God in Him)
Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Which reminds me of what followed after (let us reason together)
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; andwith his stripes we are healed.
This is sort of cool though, repeating here sins, cloud redemption
Isaiah 44:22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: returned unto me; for I have redeemed thee
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
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I might have missed this one if someone posted it sorry, I saw leasts but I dont think this is the same description.
Its just how it words it there, in respects to giving birth (to her children)
And as she is ready to give birth she attaches herself to a tree.
Just there, I always thought that was cool.
Its just how it words it there, in respects to giving birth (to her children)
And as she is ready to give birth she attaches herself to a tree.
Just there, I always thought that was cool.
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Why are others dogmatic on the stoning of the woman caught in adultery verses not in the earlier manuscripts?
Are they as ignorant, or as vainly imaginative as you would like to make InSpiritInTruth over a verse?
Just asking, because everyone else here regardless of which side (and who are many) use the other (and daily) and they are not made out to be imaginary idiots who are dogmatic about that text right?
Because they both use the same picture against one another and ironically have no room to throw a stone LOL
That is funny though if you think about it.
The verse about stoning the woman is not there and both sides use that verse (for ther own points heavily) and all is silent there (for who can speak up)? But they themselves continue using it right? So why would InSpiritIntruth (hearing this for the first time) be held to the same standard neither side (in what is common knowledge) continues in? His is over some obscure verse he is just considering, but to try and force the idiot over a singular verse (which may or may not be in there) in light of the other two stances seems a bit hypocrital.
I cant say either way because I never understood the whole deal on the worm stuff as I saif, I did like the one defintion when someone was trying to explain something to me but it never went anywhere.
Are they as ignorant, or as vainly imaginative as you would like to make InSpiritInTruth over a verse?
Just asking, because everyone else here regardless of which side (and who are many) use the other (and daily) and they are not made out to be imaginary idiots who are dogmatic about that text right?
Because they both use the same picture against one another and ironically have no room to throw a stone LOL
That is funny though if you think about it.
The verse about stoning the woman is not there and both sides use that verse (for ther own points heavily) and all is silent there (for who can speak up)? But they themselves continue using it right? So why would InSpiritIntruth (hearing this for the first time) be held to the same standard neither side (in what is common knowledge) continues in? His is over some obscure verse he is just considering, but to try and force the idiot over a singular verse (which may or may not be in there) in light of the other two stances seems a bit hypocrital.
I cant say either way because I never understood the whole deal on the worm stuff as I saif, I did like the one defintion when someone was trying to explain something to me but it never went anywhere.
Try this in reference to the OP. Notice that the worm is possessive. "Their worm."
I have studied this to a certain extent. "Their worm" goes with them into hell where the fire is not quenched. It is interesting that the color of red is within this worm, and that Psalm 22 talks about it in comparison to Jesus in that prophecy. "I am a worm."
"Their worm," when digging into it, is hell even without the fire. The very thought of "their worm" (maybe even some who read this) causes mega discomfort when thinking about it in reality, because it's certainly real, or will be.
This is what "their worm" in hell represents. "Their worm" is closely linked to being constantly reminded of what should have been repented of, but there will be no place found for repentance. It will not let go for eternity.
Hebrews 12:15-17
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
We see this root of bitterness see in CC every day, one way or another. Usually it comes in the form of debunking God's law, wanting it to vanish with any accountability on our part. What's the purpose? To drive a wedge between God's children. If we don't repent now, what will the end result be?
"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"
If the gospel demands me to negate certain parts of God's word, then I am following the wrong god who continues to change. This is more serious than we can spiritual visualize, as it seems.
I have studied this to a certain extent. "Their worm" goes with them into hell where the fire is not quenched. It is interesting that the color of red is within this worm, and that Psalm 22 talks about it in comparison to Jesus in that prophecy. "I am a worm."
"Their worm," when digging into it, is hell even without the fire. The very thought of "their worm" (maybe even some who read this) causes mega discomfort when thinking about it in reality, because it's certainly real, or will be.
This is what "their worm" in hell represents. "Their worm" is closely linked to being constantly reminded of what should have been repented of, but there will be no place found for repentance. It will not let go for eternity.
Hebrews 12:15-17
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
We see this root of bitterness see in CC every day, one way or another. Usually it comes in the form of debunking God's law, wanting it to vanish with any accountability on our part. What's the purpose? To drive a wedge between God's children. If we don't repent now, what will the end result be?
"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"
If the gospel demands me to negate certain parts of God's word, then I am following the wrong god who continues to change. This is more serious than we can spiritual visualize, as it seems.
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You will lose me here Just-me I dont know what possesive things are, Im pretty dumb that way, and besides I havent even looked at this worm stuff. As I stated earlier i avoided it.
I compare things for myself but I dont know where this is going, I havent even a grip on where (either way) this is going (whether in a good or bad way or if there be any other).
I use a different aproach often and aproach things differently then some here.
But I dont know how any of that relates to how they quote the woman caught in adultery continuously (between themselves) verses but seek to make a fool of InSpirit because one verse supposedly not there either.
Give the man a chance to get on the computer and look at the problem. Folks coming in like that just cuts my ear off to them in that doing. Its happening so often I am rethinking who I am actually listening to anymore because its more insultive (not you, you have actually won me over because of the way you handle yourself) that you can be assured I could even learn a thing or two there.
But I dont understand where the worm deal is going to be able to say anything either way so I cant even say anything either way. I was sort of posting around it, and looking at comparing the mornings around other things.
Someone can start talking about their dream (and scripture) and I will zoom in on scripture (and try to get past the other). I can overpass a lot and give something a certain amount of time to see if it self corrects or leads elsewhere.
I compare things for myself but I dont know where this is going, I havent even a grip on where (either way) this is going (whether in a good or bad way or if there be any other).
I use a different aproach often and aproach things differently then some here.
But I dont know how any of that relates to how they quote the woman caught in adultery continuously (between themselves) verses but seek to make a fool of InSpirit because one verse supposedly not there either.
Give the man a chance to get on the computer and look at the problem. Folks coming in like that just cuts my ear off to them in that doing. Its happening so often I am rethinking who I am actually listening to anymore because its more insultive (not you, you have actually won me over because of the way you handle yourself) that you can be assured I could even learn a thing or two there.
But I dont understand where the worm deal is going to be able to say anything either way so I cant even say anything either way. I was sort of posting around it, and looking at comparing the mornings around other things.
Someone can start talking about their dream (and scripture) and I will zoom in on scripture (and try to get past the other). I can overpass a lot and give something a certain amount of time to see if it self corrects or leads elsewhere.
I'm convinced the worm even "their worm" represents sin, sin is shown as red, scarlet like crimson. And I also believe sin (sin nature/carnally minded/flesh) heart and mind thereof; is the "mark" of the man/ beast...scarlet colored beast and also shown in Red Dragon.
When we are cleansed by the Lord we are washed and made white, clean, no longer red so to speak.
I believe these things not because some man showed me, but because the Lord shows me these things by His Spirit. People can believe what they want, just as I speak what I believe.
When we are cleansed by the Lord we are washed and made white, clean, no longer red so to speak.
I believe these things not because some man showed me, but because the Lord shows me these things by His Spirit. People can believe what they want, just as I speak what I believe.
Yes natural meat spoils, but the spiritual Manna does not (Holy One would not see corruption)
Also, Jesus said this....John 6:27 "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."
So no spoilage with that MANNA, But thanks for the input Marc.
Also, Jesus said this....John 6:27 "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."
So no spoilage with that MANNA,
But thanks for the input Marc.
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The way I might reason with it to try to get it to work is a cut off point of some kind yeah. I might try to see how it fits into the contrast between things which were only images of the true and true. Even as Christ (the true manna) is incorruptible (in that sense) or differently, depends. Dont know, I havent really took anymore then a passing glance at 3 AM this morning, but that might be similarly how I might aproach it, I get blessed when I consider some of these things in different ways for years I have done that, whereas lots of folks seem to want to kill that in others, for me its life reaching for, handling, considering, thinking on every detail I love the scriptures and how the Holy Ghost propels you into that comparing mode, its second nature to do that now.
I can hit and miss, but I dont stop doing it because I could, I have learned to curb my zeal in wanting to share from out of that time except for in those things I know I can defend from more then a couple of angles. Just put them out one way, and wait, then put them out again differently (but still confirming accordingly). In order to do that you must compare things and do so a variety of different ways, I will reccognize that in another belever and want to hang with them because thats a normal way of how I understand the Holy Ghost teaching someone.
Doesnt mean I will always get everything (cause I always need to get a thing for my own self) but its why I can be lax towards hits or misses, and because it isnt so much about being right but that you are reaching, comparing and seeking him even in these things which I find attractive in any believer (that way). To be around other believers who are comfortable with doing the same.
That sort of thing.
I can hit and miss, but I dont stop doing it because I could, I have learned to curb my zeal in wanting to share from out of that time except for in those things I know I can defend from more then a couple of angles. Just put them out one way, and wait, then put them out again differently (but still confirming accordingly). In order to do that you must compare things and do so a variety of different ways, I will reccognize that in another belever and want to hang with them because thats a normal way of how I understand the Holy Ghost teaching someone.
Doesnt mean I will always get everything (cause I always need to get a thing for my own self) but its why I can be lax towards hits or misses, and because it isnt so much about being right but that you are reaching, comparing and seeking him even in these things which I find attractive in any believer (that way). To be around other believers who are comfortable with doing the same.
That sort of thing.
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That's right, you have to desire it, seek it, knock, ask the Lord to open it up to you. He has the keys that can unlock all the doors, but He can also conceal things, seal them up, and lock doors till the time He decides. He opens doors that no man can shut, and shuts doors that no man can open.
Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
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Yeah amen Bro, like those of Berea,
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.
Then said I, (whose name is wonderful counselor)
Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Then opened hetheir understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
They are they which testify of me
I thought it was cute that he conceals a thing
(and that it is the glory of God to do that)
And because as I have said before (even if I was kidding around) that some of the greatest of dads are those who play hide and seek with their kids (seek me). I dont know, it seems more like this inbuilt thing dads do or something lol
You would know more then I would your a dad, moms just arent as cool at it or something.
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.
Then said I, (whose name is wonderful counselor)
Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Then opened hetheir understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
They are they which testify of me
I thought it was cute that he conceals a thing
(and that it is the glory of God to do that)
And because as I have said before (even if I was kidding around) that some of the greatest of dads are those who play hide and seek with their kids (seek me). I dont know, it seems more like this inbuilt thing dads do or something lol
You would know more then I would your a dad, moms just arent as cool at it or something.