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Is that so?
so when did God restor life to the dead bones (israel)
when did God punish the heaten who treated Israel bady?
When did God set up the throne of David, where he rules with a rod of iron?
when do people go up every year to worship this king, and if they do not. God punishes them by withholding rain?
when has there ever been a time that neighbor does not have to teach neighbor about God because they all know who and what God is?
when did the great tribulation, which will make ww1 and 2 look like a picnic occur?
when has all israel been saved?
I have about a housand other questions, but this may be a good start.
so when did God restor life to the dead bones (israel)
when did God punish the heaten who treated Israel bady?
When did God set up the throne of David, where he rules with a rod of iron?
when do people go up every year to worship this king, and if they do not. God punishes them by withholding rain?
when has there ever been a time that neighbor does not have to teach neighbor about God because they all know who and what God is?
when did the great tribulation, which will make ww1 and 2 look like a picnic occur?
when has all israel been saved?
I have about a housand other questions, but this may be a good start.
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to be saved your right (to get the eternal promise)
but scripture says they are still Gods people. and to be beloved.
Romans 11: [SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable
but scripture says they are still Gods people. and to be beloved.
Romans 11: [SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable
Exodus 21 - Is this servant still serving his master? Same Hebrew word is used here (Owlam, H5769)... But just wait, I will show you in scripture that God Judgments on Israel/Judea will also be forever. It will take me a bit to find it, stay tuned.
21 “Now these are the judgments which you shall set before them: 2 If you buy a Hebrew servant, he shall serve six years; and in the seventh he shall go out free and pay nothing. 3 If he comes in by himself, he shall go out by himself; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him.4 If his master has given him a wife, and she has borne him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself. 5 But if the servant plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ 6 then his master shall bring him to the judges. He shall also bring him to the door, or to the doorpost, and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him forever.
21 “Now these are the judgments which you shall set before them: 2 If you buy a Hebrew servant, he shall serve six years; and in the seventh he shall go out free and pay nothing. 3 If he comes in by himself, he shall go out by himself; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him.4 If his master has given him a wife, and she has borne him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself. 5 But if the servant plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ 6 then his master shall bring him to the judges. He shall also bring him to the door, or to the doorpost, and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him forever.
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ie, as long as that master lives (is in existance) he will serve him. if he stopped serving him for any reason before either of them died, then he was in sin, and going against Gods command.
does the land of canaan still exist? Nice try, but it does not go against what was said and what was promised.
Same conditions apply to Israel. You are just looking at the promise from one angle, not the whole promise.
I don't think this is the one scripture I'm looking for, I'll keep looking but I can't spend all day looking for it..but stay tuned in.
Deut. 13
12 “If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the Lord your God gives you to dwell in, saying,13 ‘Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the inhabitants of their city, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods”’—which you have not known— 14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed among you, 15 you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 16 And you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of the street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder, for the Lord your God. It shall be a heap forever; it shall not be built again. 17 So none of the accursed things shall remain in your hand, that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of His anger and show you mercy, have compassion on you and multiply you, just as He swore to your fathers,18 because you have listened to the voice of the Lord your God, to keep all His commandments which I command you today, to do what is right in the eyes of the Lord your God.
I don't think this is the one scripture I'm looking for, I'll keep looking but I can't spend all day looking for it..but stay tuned in.
Deut. 13
12 “If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the Lord your God gives you to dwell in, saying,13 ‘Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the inhabitants of their city, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods”’—which you have not known— 14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed among you, 15 you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 16 And you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of the street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder, for the Lord your God. It shall be a heap forever; it shall not be built again. 17 So none of the accursed things shall remain in your hand, that the Lord may turn from the fierceness of His anger and show you mercy, have compassion on you and multiply you, just as He swore to your fathers,18 because you have listened to the voice of the Lord your God, to keep all His commandments which I command you today, to do what is right in the eyes of the Lord your God.
Deut. 5:29 - Condition, what if they don't keep all His commandments?
29 Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!
32 “Therefore you shall be careful to do as the Lord your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. 33 You shall walk in all the ways which the Lord your God has commanded you, that you may live and that it may be well with you, and that you may prolong your days in the land which you shall possess.
29 Oh, that they had such a heart in them that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might be well with them and with their children forever!
32 “Therefore you shall be careful to do as the Lord your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. 33 You shall walk in all the ways which the Lord your God has commanded you, that you may live and that it may be well with you, and that you may prolong your days in the land which you shall possess.
Joshua 4:7- Where are these stones today?
7 Then you shall answer them that the waters of the Jordan were cut off before the ark of the covenant of the Lord; when it crossed over the Jordan, the waters of the Jordan were cut off. And these stones shall be for a memorial to the children of Israel forever.”
7 Then you shall answer them that the waters of the Jordan were cut off before the ark of the covenant of the Lord; when it crossed over the Jordan, the waters of the Jordan were cut off. And these stones shall be for a memorial to the children of Israel forever.”
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your right, it does apply. As long as the land and the nation of israel exists. the promise still stands, or God reniged on his own promise. and he is in sin, as he disobeyed his own promise.
this does not negate the fact God much later gave conditions for them to possess the land (lev 26) and gave them conditions to be restored to the land (lev 26)
But no condition was given in the origional promise. God said, I WILL (unconditional).. he did not say if you do this, I will. (conditional)
still do not see it. That would still apply today. if not. then God did not mean what he said.
You still have the problem of God saying through paul that modern day israel is an enemy when it comes to the gospel. but beloved because of Gods promise which are irrevocable. If it no longer stands (it has been done away with) then there is no need for God to say they are still beloved,
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ever read lev 26: it explains what would happen.
It never says the land will stop being theres, if also gives conditions for return.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
[SUP]41 [/SUP]and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
[SUP]42 [/SUP]then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember;
I will remember the land.