OSAS doctrine denies the faith

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The doctrine of OSAS denies the faith by denying the words of God, which is denying Jesus Christ the very Word of God. Let me explain.

It is written by Grace you are saved through faith, and also in Romans 5:2 “By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. As it is also written, the children of faith are counted for the seed. And we see in Hebrews 11:6 “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”

Just as it is written the just shall live by faith, and we are justified by faith in Jesus Christ, which is also faith in the very Word of God. Just as Jesus said
Matthew 4:4 “But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Just as we are to abide in Christ, and in His words by faith.

And this is where the
lies of OSAS doctrine begins to be exposed for what it is, which is not of faith in what Gods words say are true.


Not many Christians will argue against salvation not being based on Grace through faith and belief in Jesus Christ. But some believe that faith is not connected or expressed in our own actions or any works on our part. And some even believe one cannot lose that salvation by faith no matter what, leaving the notion wide open that one can
sin without any consequence of losing salvation.


This is what Jude warned of in
Jude 1:4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”


But if you do not abide in the obedience of the faith, but in unbelief, then how can you please God? After all were not the branches of Israel broken off because of unbelief?


Romans 11:20-22 “
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.”


That sure sounds like a
warning to abide in faith doesn’t it? For we stand by faith, but some say you cannot fall.


Abiding in that faith means abiding in the faith of Jesus, but also abiding in His words by faith, meaning every God breathed word spoken by the Holy Spirit. But again, the
error of OSAS denies the words of God by saying you cannot fall from salvation, which is based on faith. But some will say, well if they fall they were never really saved in the first place. But go back to the definition of what saved means in scripture, which is by grace through faith.


But then they might say, well they were never really born again of the Holy Spirit. But the words of God covers that as well in Hebrews 6:4-8 “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth
thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”


But many will deny these words are true. They will try to twist it’s meaning by saying it is out of context, or a poor translation, or it’s not directed to us, or it’s not in the original text, or your interpreting the scriptures wrong, blah, blah, blah.

But folks, these verses are a
warning for those who turn back, and fall away from the faith.

And those who deny those Holy Spirit inspired words, also deny there is to even be a falling away from the faith. And to deny the words of God, is to deny Jesus Christ. Be not deceived by the doctrines of devils.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”
 
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lol.

Osas is based on FAITH in christ.

Anyone who denys osas, denys faith.

You people need to get real. and stop having faith in yourself (hence why you reject Osas) and start trusting God.
 
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Dear InSpiritinTruth:

Yes, I agree. It is not just about having a "belief" alone.

One must obey the words of Jesus Christ, too.

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48).
 
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The doctrine of OSAS denies the faith by denying the words of God, which is denying Jesus Christ the very Word of God. Let me explain.

It is written by Grace you are saved through faith, and also in Romans 5:2 “By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. As it is also written, the children of faith are counted for the seed. And we see in Hebrews 11:6 “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”

Just as it is written the just shall live by faith, and we are justified by faith in Jesus Christ, which is also faith in the very Word of God. Just as Jesus said
Matthew 4:4 “But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Just as we are to abide in Christ, and in His words by faith.

And this is where the
lies of OSAS doctrine begins to be exposed for what it is, which is not of faith in what Gods words say are true.


Not many Christians will argue against salvation not being based on Grace through faith and belief in Jesus Christ. But some believe that faith is not connected or expressed in our own actions or any works on our part. And some even believe one cannot lose that salvation by faith no matter what, leaving the notion wide open that one can
sin without any consequence of losing salvation.


This is what Jude warned of in
Jude 1:4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”


But if you do not abide in the obedience of the faith, but in unbelief, then how can you please God? After all were not the branches of Israel broken off because of unbelief?


Romans 11:20-22 “
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.”


That sure sounds like a
warning to abide in faith doesn’t it? For we stand by faith, but some say you cannot fall.


Abiding in that faith means abiding in the faith of Jesus, but also abiding in His words by faith, meaning every God breathed word spoken by the Holy Spirit. But again, the
error of OSAS denies the words of God by saying you cannot fall from salvation, which is based on faith. But some will say, well if they fall they were never really saved in the first place. But go back to the definition of what saved means in scripture, which is by grace through faith.


But then they might say, well they were never really born again of the Holy Spirit. But the words of God covers that as well in Hebrews 6:4-8 “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth
thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”


But many will deny these words are true. They will try to twist it’s meaning by saying it is out of context, or a poor translation, or it’s not directed to us, or it’s not in the original text, or your interpreting the scriptures wrong, blah, blah, blah.

But folks, these verses are a
warning for those who turn back, and fall away from the faith.

And those who deny those Holy Spirit inspired words, also deny there is to even be a falling away from the faith. And to deny the words of God, is to deny Jesus Christ. Be not deceived by the doctrines of devils.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”
I agree with this. The Lord Jesus also said "remain in me and I will remain in you"
 
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Exactly. There are so many red flag warnings for the believer to continue in Christ and His Word within the BIble, it would make one think they were in a russian airport. One has to willingly put on a blind fold to ignore them all or they have to do a bunch of theological gymnastics with the text to change what the Bible says.

I say this, not to wound our opponents, but I say this in love so as to lead them to the Truth.
 
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I agree with this. The Lord Jesus also said "remain in me and I will remain in you"
lol, Jesus said if we are faithless, he is faithfull he can not deny himself

Jesus said he will leave the flock to get the sheep who walked away.

God said he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

God said whoever places their FAITH in him will never perish, but HAS eternal life. He also said they have the eternal seal of the spirit. which guarantees their inheritance (eph 1)

He told the church to remain in him, and he would remain in that local church, he did not say that about induvidual people. that places salvation based on our power and our strength and not gods.
 
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Exactly. There are so many red flag warnings for the believer to continue in Christ and His Word within the BIble, it would make one think they were in a russian airport. One has to willingly put on a blind fold to ignore them all or they have to do a bunch of theological gymnastics with the text to change what the Bible says.

I say this, not to wound our opponents, but I say this in love so as to lead them to the Truth.

the red flags are against legalists like yourself. who try to save yourself by your own righteounsess and reject the righteousness of Christ given in all. to all and on all WHO HAVE FAITH>
 
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The doctrine of OSAS denies the faith by denying the words of God, which is denying Jesus Christ the very Word of God. Let me explain.

It is written by Grace you are saved through faith, and also in Romans 5:2 “By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. As it is also written, the children of faith are counted for the seed. And we see in Hebrews 11:6 “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”

Just as it is written the just shall live by faith, and we are justified by faith in Jesus Christ, which is also faith in the very Word of God. Just as Jesus said
Matthew 4:4 “But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Just as we are to abide in Christ, and in His words by faith.

And this is where the
lies of OSAS doctrine begins to be exposed for what it is, which is not of faith in what Gods words say are true.


Not many Christians will argue against salvation not being based on Grace through faith and belief in Jesus Christ. But some believe that faith is not connected or expressed in our own actions or any works on our part. And some even believe one cannot lose that salvation by faith no matter what, leaving the notion wide open that one can
sin without any consequence of losing salvation.


This is what Jude warned of in
Jude 1:4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”


But if you do not abide in the obedience of the faith, but in unbelief, then how can you please God? After all were not the branches of Israel broken off because of unbelief?


Romans 11:20-22 “
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.”


That sure sounds like a
warning to abide in faith doesn’t it? For we stand by faith, but some say you cannot fall.


Abiding in that faith means abiding in the faith of Jesus, but also abiding in His words by faith, meaning every God breathed word spoken by the Holy Spirit. But again, the
error of OSAS denies the words of God by saying you cannot fall from salvation, which is based on faith. But some will say, well if they fall they were never really saved in the first place. But go back to the definition of what saved means in scripture, which is by grace through faith.


But then they might say, well they were never really born again of the Holy Spirit. But the words of God covers that as well in Hebrews 6:4-8 “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth
thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”


But many will deny these words are true. They will try to twist it’s meaning by saying it is out of context, or a poor translation, or it’s not directed to us, or it’s not in the original text, or your interpreting the scriptures wrong, blah, blah, blah.

But folks, these verses are a
warning for those who turn back, and fall away from the faith.

And those who deny those Holy Spirit inspired words, also deny there is to even be a falling away from the faith. And to deny the words of God, is to deny Jesus Christ. Be not deceived by the doctrines of devils.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”
Paul called those people who believed that they started their walk by faith, but were made perfect (complete) by works FOOLS...so what does that make one who believes saved by faith, but finished or kept by works?

Fools!
 
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the red flags are against legalists like yourself. who try to save yourself by your own righteounsess and reject the righteousness of Christ given in all. to all and on all WHO HAVE FAITH>
Eternally grateful, let them have their gospel, they have to live and die by it. It is not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and it is not based in the finished work of the cross.
 
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the red flags are against legalists like yourself. who try to save yourself by your own righteounsess and reject the righteousness of Christ given in all. to all and on all WHO HAVE FAITH>

Faith is not a mental acknowledgement. Read Hebrews 11. Faith is described as taking action. Also, James says faith without works is dead. So if one's faith is devoid of any of the fruits of the Spirit then how can they truly have the Spirit?
 
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Eternally grateful, let them have their gospel, they have to live and die by it. It is not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and it is not based in the finished work of the cross.
No to mention that Paul calls ALL those who will believe saved by grace, but made perfect or complete by works......FOOLS, double cursed and preaching a false gospel of a different kind which has no power to save....
 
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Eternally grateful, let them have their gospel, they have to live and die by it. It is not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and it is not based in the finished work of the cross.
Well, your gospel is not of the Bible dear sir. John 12:48 says that God's Word will judge us if we reject His words. So it is not just a belief alone. For even the demons believe and tremble.
 
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Well, your gospel is not of the Bible dear sir. John 12:48 says that God's Word will judge us if we reject His words. So it is not just a belief alone. For even the demons believe and tremble.
More round and round circle jerk theology......the demons do not have FAITH in JESUS and GOD's plan of redemption which is open to humanity and no where offered to demons.....
 
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OSAS is based on faith in man-made teachings.
 
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OSAS is based on faith in man-made teachings.
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAH this coming from someone who promotes Alexander Campbellism....WOW...give that man a cigar and the cake too....because this statement takes the cake of hypocrisy award!
 
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More round and round circle jerk theology......the demons do not have FAITH in JESUS and GOD's plan of redemption which is open to humanity and no where offered to demons.....
That is not the point James was trying to make. James was trying to say that a true faith is going to be followed by works. if not, it is a dead faith. Can a dead faith save anyone?
 
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That is not the point James was trying to make. James was trying to say that a true faith is going to be followed by works. if not, it is a dead faith. Can a dead faith save anyone?

Yeah James was trying to make the point of another man being able to see your faith.....Paul also said that a man is justified BEFORE GOD BY FAITH WITHOUT WORKS....wake up and finally smell the truth!
 
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Paul called those people who believed that they started their walk by faith, but were made perfect (complete) by works FOOLS...so what does that make one who believes saved by faith, but finished or kept by works?

Fools!
This is about faith in what Gods words say are true. OSAS doctrines claims one cannot fall away from the faith, which is totally contrary to the Testimony of Jesus Christ which is the Spirit of prophecy. Therefore it denies Jesus Christ.
 
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Well, as much as love Seabass as a person, I strongly disagree with his view on Soteriology. I do not believe in Works Salvationism. I believe a true believer yields to the work God does within us, so we cannot take the ultimate credit for any good fruit in our lives. For the Bible labels a believer's fruits as being the fruits of the Spirit and not as the fruits of the believer.

Anyways, I say this in love to you Seabass.
And please know I am praying for you to see where I am coming from.
 
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HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAH this coming from someone who promotes Alexander Campbellism....WOW...give that man a cigar and the cake too....because this statement takes the cake of hypocrisy award!

Where have I promoted "Alexander Campbellism" and what is "Alexander Campbellism"?

This accusation comes from one, who in the time I have been on this forum, has not proved any his man-made teachings so he makes personal attacks over and over and over again. You could not biblically prove the heresy of OSAS if you life depended on it.