Christianity, the most offensive, confusing, violent, hypocritical, faith of all.

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bondservant

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Christianity, the word derives from to be christ like has been the most offensive religion the world has ever known. From bombing abortion clinics, to taking up arms to fight isis in the name of Christ. From the crusades to anti semitisim Christianity is by far the hardest religion to understand. I am a christian and though I take no part in any of the above I ask God to forgive those that do, regardless of what is true and holy saints these are our roots. No wonder our effects on this world are becoming null and void. Not that we should ever give up but the body of Christ needs Christ more than ever before. If we were given the privilege of the great commission, to have stewardship untill the master comes back then we need to repent and ask forgiveness. We need to return to our first love and stop fighting among ourselves. We have become to arrogant, shallow, but most importantly we do not love as we should. Love is the most powerful message we could ever send to this fallen world. I think one of the most important stories in the bible is when Mary, Joseph, and Jesus went to the temple and they lost Jesus......ya see even though they were doing what God had asked and what was good ...their eyes were off Jesus.

Saints let us pray without ceasing for the body of Christ. Peace
 
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The righteousness brought forth by the majority of Christians for 2,000 years far, far, far outweighs the negativity committed by the minority. On another note, killing Satan's minions such as ISIS is not offensive, its mandatory for the survival and sanctity of all societies. And you bring to light bombing abortion clinics but have no problem with abortion. Interesting.
 
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Tintin

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The Crusades? The Crusades? Really? Please some research about the truth behind the Crusades before including that as an example. Also, Jesus was about love, yes, but also truth.
 

Dan58

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There are radicals in every religion, but most Christians don't bomb abortion clinics, and those who fight ISIS do it to remove an evil religion that is intent on murdering innocent people. Remember Jericho? They sacrificed their own children to their gods, and our God ordered Joshua to kill every one of them. Some might say that standing idly by and doing nothing while innocent people are being decapitated is a very non-Christian thing to do. The crusades were for the most part, a defensive battle.

We live in an evil world, and its tough for some Christians to watch unborn babies being killed by the millions. I'm sure it also angers God, so shouldn't it also anger a child of God (Christians)? Loving and praying for your enemies does not mean letting them abuse others. That kind of love is tantamount to endorsing what they do. Can you imagine going over to Syria to deliver a message of love? It would likely be a one way ticket. And remember that Jesus didn't have a message of love for the money changers in the Temple, he chased them out of there with a whip. Perhaps the Christian effect in many parts of the world is becoming null and void because unlike Jesus, we've become extreme pacifist who are content to look the other way whenever evil rears its ugly head? That could be construed as hypocritical?

I just wanted to post another way of looking at it, we all don't share the same pov. Jesus stopped an angry crowd from stoning an adulteress, so I don't think its a stretch for Christians to have a desire to stop Isis from beheading fellow Christians. Our God is not a wuss and I don't think He expects us to be wimps. jmo

 
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Christianity, the word derives from to be christ like has been the most offensive religion the world has ever known. From bombing abortion clinics, to taking up arms to fight isis in the name of Christ. From the crusades to anti semitisim Christianity is by far the hardest religion to understand. I am a christian and though I take no part in any of the above I ask God to forgive those that do, regardless of what is true and holy saints these are our roots. No wonder our effects on this world are becoming null and void. Not that we should ever give up but the body of Christ needs Christ more than ever before. If we were given the privilege of the great commission, to have stewardship untill the master comes back then we need to repent and ask forgiveness. We need to return to our first love and stop fighting among ourselves. We have become to arrogant, shallow, but most importantly we do not love as we should. Love is the most powerful message we could ever send to this fallen world. I think one of the most important stories in the bible is when Mary, Joseph, and Jesus went to the temple and they lost Jesus......ya see even though they were doing what God had asked and what was good ...their eyes were off Jesus.

Saints let us pray without ceasing for the body of Christ. Peace
Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. :mad:
 
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Tintin

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Christianity, the word derives from to be christ like has been the most offensive religion the world has ever known. From bombing abortion clinics, to taking up arms to fight isis in the name of Christ. From the crusades to anti semitisim Christianity is by far the hardest religion to understand. I am a christian and though I take no part in any of the above I ask God to forgive those that do, regardless of what is true and holy saints these are our roots. No wonder our effects on this world are becoming null and void. Not that we should ever give up but the body of Christ needs Christ more than ever before. If we were given the privilege of the great commission, to have stewardship untill the master comes back then we need to repent and ask forgiveness. We need to return to our first love and stop fighting among ourselves. We have become to arrogant, shallow, but most importantly we do not love as we should. Love is the most powerful message we could ever send to this fallen world. I think one of the most important stories in the bible is when Mary, Joseph, and Jesus went to the temple and they lost Jesus......ya see even though they were doing what God had asked and what was good ...their eyes were off Jesus.

Saints let us pray without ceasing for the body of Christ. Peace
Yes, Christianity needs to lead the way with love and truth, but your examples are terrible, grossly-misinformed and ridiculous.
 

p_rehbein

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If we go back to Post Flood times........and begin the body count from there......which religion/faith would have the highest total?
 

breno785au

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OP, do you mean to say that some of the people can be the most offensive, confusing, violent and hypocritical? Looking to myself here on some of those.
 
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One must remember that the term "Christianity" is a rather wide one.

There are Christians who profess faith in Jesus Christ, but don't possess it. They are tares and goats.

Christ will sort out the tares from the wheat, and the goats from the sheep, when He returns.

Matt 13: [SUP]24 [/SUP]He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, [SUP]25 [/SUP]but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds[SUP][a][/SUP] among the wheat and went away. [SUP]26 [/SUP]So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And the servants[SUP][b][/SUP] of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ [SUP]28 [/SUP]He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ [SUP]29 [/SUP]But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”

I John 3:15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

By the way, similar slanders against Christianity are used by atheists. I point them to the millions of deaths that were caused by atheistic regimes such as communistic nations and their leadership.

Regards,

Robert
 
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Christianity, the word derives from to be christ like has been the most offensive religion the world has ever known. From bombing abortion clinics, to taking up arms to fight isis in the name of Christ. From the crusades to anti semitisim Christianity is by far the hardest religion to understand. I am a christian and though I take no part in any of the above I ask God to forgive those that do, regardless of what is true and holy saints these are our roots. No wonder our effects on this world are becoming null and void. Not that we should ever give up but the body of Christ needs Christ more than ever before. If we were given the privilege of the great commission, to have stewardship untill the master comes back then we need to repent and ask forgiveness. We need to return to our first love and stop fighting among ourselves. We have become to arrogant, shallow, but most importantly we do not love as we should. Love is the most powerful message we could ever send to this fallen world. I think one of the most important stories in the bible is when Mary, Joseph, and Jesus went to the temple and they lost Jesus......ya see even though they were doing what God had asked and what was good ...their eyes were off Jesus.

Saints let us pray without ceasing for the body of Christ. Peace
well good then...y'all are watching out for the rest of us....
 
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Jesus did say that he did not come to bring peace, but a sword.......!
 
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I take no part in any of the above I ask God to forgive those that do, regardless of what is true and holy saints these are our roots. No wonder our effects on this world are becoming null and void.
so, if someone comes to your home and wants to rape and murder your wife, you will pray for them as they do it?

Read the OT and get a glimpse of what God really thinks about evil

Nothing has changed...God is the same and still has the same things to say...He made a way...but when Jesus comes back, it is not going to be to shake hands with those who who shake their fist against Him

I get what you are saying...but check again....love is just a four letter word these days...you bet people are not getting real with God...I bet Christians who are persecuted and killed for their faith get real pretty quick though

Sitting on a church pew and being unable to find the book of John describes far too many nominal Christians, but berating them does not seem to work either
 

posthuman

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does anyone really think that no violence or wrong has ever been done in the name of any other religion?

i am glad to offend the world, but it isn't for the reasons in the OP.

You will be hated by everyone because of me,
but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

(Matthew 10:22)

Watch out that you are not deceived.
For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.'
Do not follow them.

(Luke 21:8)
 
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You do speak a lot of truth, BondServant. But as you can see by simply reading, we still haven't "got it" yet.
 

valiant

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Christianity, the word derives from to be christ like
Actually it doesn't. It was the name first given to those who worshiped Christ in Antioch. But we must distinguish TRUE Christianity (those who have truly committed themselves to Christ and truly seek to follow the teachings of Christ - the minority) from nominal Christianity (those who are culturally 'Christians' because it is their culture who often don't really care about the teachings of Jesus Christ). The latter are not really a part of true Christianity at all.


has been the most offensive religion the world has ever known.
An absurd statement. The whole of the pre-Christian world was full of continuing atrocities, all carried out in the name of religion. Islam was established at the point of the sword, and has been so maintained ever since. In contrast Christianity was established by peace loving testimony to Christ for 300 years. It only became partly bastardised as a consequence of the interference of the Roman emperors which made 'being a Christian' a road to political power. That was not true Christianity..

From bombing abortion clinics,
Excuse me while I finish priming this bomb (not really). Come on all of you. Admit that you spend most of your time bombing abortion clinics. Its surprising there are any left. (Actually I wouldn't know how to prime a bomb, but never mind).

Of course some may feel that it is only a few fanatics who bomb abortion clinics. They may even claim they have never thought of doing it. Some may even claim that they see it as wrong and repudiate those who do it. You never know. The thing is, can we believe them? Turn out your pockets everyone. Bomb check!!!!

to taking up arms to fight isis in the name of Christ.
I was not aware that anyone was fighting ISIS in the name of Christ. I thought our governments were assisting those who did not want to be beheaded so that they could preserve their lives, and were doing it in the name of morality. (They include Muslims, Christians, large numbers of humanists, and so on).

Although why anyone should want to hurt those nice ISIS people just because their hobby is collecting peoples' heads I cannot think.

From the crusades
At least initially the aim was to defend those who were being slaughtered because they were Christians. Although it is true that most who were later involved in the crusades (with exceptions) were simply using them as an excuse to gain power and wealth. Religion was their excuse. And who were they fighting? Muslims who had taken over the land by force. They too had made religion an excuse to gain power and wealth. So who were most guilty?

to anti semitisim
Anti-Semitism is inexcusable (as is anti-anyone who is not belligerent). But most religions were anti-Semitic, especially in less tolerant days. (And vice-versa). Sadly we live in a fallen world. But I suspect that most on here are more pro-Semitic than anti-Semitic.

Christianity is by far the hardest religion to understand.
Its easy really. At the heart are those who have repented of sin and come to Jesus Christ to save them. They are being made more Christ-like day by day. But the vast majority do not truly follow Christ. They therefore live by the world's standards. That is what we would expect. It is not real Christianity. It is a sham.


I am a christian and though I take no part in any of the above I ask God to forgive those that do, regardless of what is true and holy saints these are our roots.
I am not quite sure what this sentence means, but your sentiment here is correct. I think we all agree with you where the violence is unjustified.

No wonder our effects on this world are becoming null and void.
Fortunately Christ is still at work and His efforts are not null and void. Truth has always had to combat hypocrisy.

Not that we should ever give up but the body of Christ needs Christ more than ever before.
But outward Christianity is NOT the body of Christ. The body of Christ is only composed of those who are truly HIS. A motley lot I agree, but that is why we need Christ. The early church were by heir own admission a sinful lot. How did they need Christ less than us?

If we were given the privilege of the great commission, to have stewardship untill the master comes back then we need to repent and ask forgiveness.
We can all agree on that :) But I am not responsible for the sins of others (apart from a need to help my brothers and sisters in any way I can).

We need to return to our first love and stop fighting among ourselves.
Well if you have left your first love, you certainly must return to it. But who are you to judge your brothers and sisters in Christ?

We have become to arrogant, shallow, but most importantly we do not love as we should.
A danger for us all. But who do you refer to as 'we'? Are you in any positions to say what WE are?

Love is the most powerful message we could ever send to this fallen world.
Which is why Jesus proclaimed it, and calls on us to proclaim it too. But MOST IMPORTANT is that we proclaim God's saving love.

I think one of the most important stories in the bible is when Mary, Joseph, and Jesus went to the temple and they lost Jesus......ya see even though they were doing what God had asked and what was good ...their eyes were off Jesus.
But they were not doing what God asked when they neglected their son. Thereby Joseph and Mary SINNED. The goodness revealed in the aim of the enterprise, was countered by the sin committed in completing it. This is something we must all be aware of.

Saints let us pray without ceasing for the body of Christ. Peace
we can all say Amen to that.
 
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posthuman

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as you can see by simply reading, we still haven't "got it" yet.
yes, we all quickly say "the tares and the goats don't represent me" and all - and it is true some of these are only deceivers, but also some are deceived - our brothers and sisters carried away. in either case, the name of Christ is slandered because of evil done falsely in His name, and we should weep because of that -

amen, pray that the saints are strengthened and kept in Him, that they do not shame their Master, but honor Him. and pray He come quickly, His winnowing fork in His hand, to mete out justice, separating His sheep from the goats, and bring His own into His arms, so all may see and know His light and truth
 

Jackson123

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Christianity, the word derives from to be christ like has been the most offensive religion the world has ever known. From bombing abortion clinics, to taking up arms to fight isis in the name of Christ. From the crusades to anti semitisim Christianity is by far the hardest religion to understand. I am a christian and though I take no part in any of the above I ask God to forgive those that do, regardless of what is true and holy saints these are our roots. No wonder our effects on this world are becoming null and void. Not that we should ever give up but the body of Christ needs Christ more than ever before. If we were given the privilege of the great commission, to have stewardship untill the master comes back then we need to repent and ask forgiveness. We need to return to our first love and stop fighting among ourselves. We have become to arrogant, shallow, but most importantly we do not love as we should. Love is the most powerful message we could ever send to this fallen world. I think one of the most important stories in the bible is when Mary, Joseph, and Jesus went to the temple and they lost Jesus......ya see even though they were doing what God had asked and what was good ...their eyes were off Jesus.

Saints let us pray without ceasing for the body of Christ. Peace

there is different between the real Christian and an organization named them self christian.

Real Christian not kill/inquisition, or antisemitism.
 

p_rehbein

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To Bondservent: Are you discussing this thread on that other Christian site you belong to? Just wondering.
 
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atwhatcost

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The Crusades? The Crusades? Really? Please some research about the truth behind the Crusades before including that as an example. Also, Jesus was about love, yes, but also truth.
Thank you. I was thinking the same thing.

Add to that, I'm not entirely sure I disagree with bombing abortion clinics. Setting them on fire is less dangerous, but the idea is to stop some women from automatically going with, "let's get rid of this bit of protoplasm." And fighting against ISIS seems like a good deal, since our (American's) government dropped that ball way too soon.

God annihilated nations. I'm thinking that makes him not-a-pacifist.

So, thanks for saying one of a few thoughts I had when I read the original post.