So as I said in my previous post everything in this font I took from my notes.
7) "We need to fear God. 'Fear of God gave me respect'"
What do you think of this? I interpreted it like this, "We should do what God says because we are afraid of being punished." I don't think that's exactly what God wants. Is it?
8) Following Christ means to deny ourselves and our feelings.
*We don't have to be robotic
I can see this...kinda. I understand that following Christ means denying yourself and your feelings sometimes. However other times won't you WANT to follow Christ? Won't you FEEL like following Him? Also I don't understand how this wouldn't make us robotic. ICOC really drilled in the fact that feelings were bad and unfortunately for me I had a lot of them.
I think I still believe a lot of the lies told to me there...and I want to get this straightened out...thus this thread. I also have believed lies not only about God but about myself. I felt like I was bad for feeling and being angry at the people who abused me. I thought I wasn't doing good enough for God and I though He was always angry at me and that he wanted to make my life miserable. I don't want to believe these lies anymore so any responses will help either in this thread or in the previous one. Thanks!
9) We need to give up everything to follow Him.
Yeah...but we also gain a lot...like love and freedom so why dwell on what we give up? What do you think?
10) 2 Corinthians 7:8
Worldly sorrow: "Oh woe is me! I'm terrible!" (Focus on self)
Godly Sorrow: Makes God sad. Sees perspective. (humility)
I understand this concept however I don't like how it was used in ICOC. When I was in tears after they had me write out my sins, went through the medical account of Jesus and told me that my sins put him on the cross I cried and their response was, "You're feeling worldly sorrow right now. You should feel godly sorrow." Is that really how you should use it? I guess I'm confused because I feel like when something horrific happens to you like abuse you really can't help but feel...pain...I wouldn't classify it as worldly sorrow but I would classify it as hurt. I think when I cried because of what happened it was not due to abuse but I was hurt. I felt bad. I felt like I hurt God and messed up so bad that he could never love me. I don't know what you could classify that as but I don't think it was worldly sorrow. What do you think? Like I said, when we sin I think this wonderful. When we sin we should not take on a woe-is-me attitude. We need to be like "I messed up and I'm sorry and I regret it. But I plan to do better. I want to do better for you God because I love you." I hope that makes sense.
11) Godly perspective- This hurts but in the end it's going to be ok because God loves me or that hurt but good came from it, thanks to God. Praise Jesus.
Worldly perspective- I hate what happened! Nothing good came! Pity me!
This I do and don't understand. I think as humans we have emotions and we need to express those in a healthy manner. This includes acknowledging that they are there. If you are angry be like, " Father God, I'm angry at this person because they did this. It hurts a lot and I don't know what to do. Please help." Then you go and process your emotions however you do that best. Write, play music, draw, whatever you need to do. And be in constant prayer. I also feel like it's ok to say "I hate what happened. What happened was not ok. God, please show me the good in this because right now I can't see it. I'm just mad." What do you think? I feel like this is like "ok no emotions allowed for you! Have a nice day!" I think you can eventually get to a Godly perspective but that takes time, prayer and processing of EMOTIONS.
That's all I can find for now.
Thanks for reading!
7) "We need to fear God. 'Fear of God gave me respect'"
What do you think of this? I interpreted it like this, "We should do what God says because we are afraid of being punished." I don't think that's exactly what God wants. Is it?
8) Following Christ means to deny ourselves and our feelings.
*We don't have to be robotic
I can see this...kinda. I understand that following Christ means denying yourself and your feelings sometimes. However other times won't you WANT to follow Christ? Won't you FEEL like following Him? Also I don't understand how this wouldn't make us robotic. ICOC really drilled in the fact that feelings were bad and unfortunately for me I had a lot of them.
I think I still believe a lot of the lies told to me there...and I want to get this straightened out...thus this thread. I also have believed lies not only about God but about myself. I felt like I was bad for feeling and being angry at the people who abused me. I thought I wasn't doing good enough for God and I though He was always angry at me and that he wanted to make my life miserable. I don't want to believe these lies anymore so any responses will help either in this thread or in the previous one. Thanks!
9) We need to give up everything to follow Him.
Yeah...but we also gain a lot...like love and freedom so why dwell on what we give up? What do you think?
10) 2 Corinthians 7:8
Worldly sorrow: "Oh woe is me! I'm terrible!" (Focus on self)
Godly Sorrow: Makes God sad. Sees perspective. (humility)
I understand this concept however I don't like how it was used in ICOC. When I was in tears after they had me write out my sins, went through the medical account of Jesus and told me that my sins put him on the cross I cried and their response was, "You're feeling worldly sorrow right now. You should feel godly sorrow." Is that really how you should use it? I guess I'm confused because I feel like when something horrific happens to you like abuse you really can't help but feel...pain...I wouldn't classify it as worldly sorrow but I would classify it as hurt. I think when I cried because of what happened it was not due to abuse but I was hurt. I felt bad. I felt like I hurt God and messed up so bad that he could never love me. I don't know what you could classify that as but I don't think it was worldly sorrow. What do you think? Like I said, when we sin I think this wonderful. When we sin we should not take on a woe-is-me attitude. We need to be like "I messed up and I'm sorry and I regret it. But I plan to do better. I want to do better for you God because I love you." I hope that makes sense.
11) Godly perspective- This hurts but in the end it's going to be ok because God loves me or that hurt but good came from it, thanks to God. Praise Jesus.
Worldly perspective- I hate what happened! Nothing good came! Pity me!
This I do and don't understand. I think as humans we have emotions and we need to express those in a healthy manner. This includes acknowledging that they are there. If you are angry be like, " Father God, I'm angry at this person because they did this. It hurts a lot and I don't know what to do. Please help." Then you go and process your emotions however you do that best. Write, play music, draw, whatever you need to do. And be in constant prayer. I also feel like it's ok to say "I hate what happened. What happened was not ok. God, please show me the good in this because right now I can't see it. I'm just mad." What do you think? I feel like this is like "ok no emotions allowed for you! Have a nice day!" I think you can eventually get to a Godly perspective but that takes time, prayer and processing of EMOTIONS.
That's all I can find for now.
Thanks for reading!