Should we obey the health principles of the Old testiment?

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There are specific laws given to the Jews, in the Old Testament about health, should we apply them to our lives today?
We are told not to eat unclean things and not to eat the blood, etc. If it was healthy and beneficial for them wouldn't it be healthy for us?
people have quoted... Act 10
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

But if you read on ...
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean,....

keep reading and it tells you
Act 10:27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.


read all Acts 10:10-31

This vision isn't about the food we eat but about people (Jews and gentiles)
If it was God's health principles for the people that where willing to listen, did God need to put them in the NT again for us to Listen?
 

Grandpa

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Where in the bible does it say that they are Gods health principles?



Matthew 15:11 [SUP] [/SUP]Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

That's the Lord Jesus in the New Testament.
 
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Where in the bible does it say that they are Gods health principles?
now that's a good question. :)

can't wait for the Biblical answer.
 

KohenMatt

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Yes, we should. They're all good instructions that benefit us physically and spiritually (if we consider them in that way).
 

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Eating Kosher is good, eating pig is bad. Any more questions?

Is it unhealthy to eat pork? | Amazing Facts

What's good about the Seventh Day Adventist Church is that, they teach eating clean foods, and vegetarianism (Garden of Eden diet.) Seventh Day Adventist have a history of living longer, because of their diet. Remember the fall of mankind was due to what they ate, forbidden food.
 
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Where in the bible does it say that they are Gods health principles?.
...can't wait for the Biblical answer.
Ezekiel 14:1-20Amplified Bible (AMP)

14 Then came certain of the elders of Israel to me and sat before me.

2 And the word of the Lord came to me:

3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and put the stumbling block of their iniquity and guilt before their faces; should I permit Myself to be inquired of at all by them?

4 Therefore speak to them and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Every man of the house of Israel who takes his idols [of self-will and unsubmissiveness] into his heart and puts the stumbling block of his iniquity [idols of silver and gold] before his face, and yet comes to the prophet [to inquire of him], I the Lord will answer him, answer him according to the multitude of his idols,

5 That I may lay hold of the house of Israel in the thoughts of their own mind and heart, because they are all estranged from Me through their idols.

6 Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Repent and turn away from your idols, and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

7 For anyone of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who separates himself from Me, taking his idols into his heart and putting the stumbling block of his iniquity and guilt before his face, and [yet] comes to the prophet to inquire for himself of Me, I the Lord will answer him Myself!

8 And I will set My face against that [false worshiper] and will make him a sign and a byword, and I will cut him off from the midst of My people; and you shall know (understand and realize) that I am the Lord.

9 [The prophet has not been granted permission to give an answer to the hypocritical inquirer] but if the prophet does give the man the answer he desires [thus allowing himself to be a party to the inquirer’s sin], I the Lord will see to it that the prophet is deceived in his answer, and I will stretch out My hand against him and will destroy him from the midst of My people Israel.

10 And they both shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the iniquity of the [presumptuous] prophet shall be the same as the iniquity of the [hypocritical] inquirer,..."
 
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psychomom

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Ezekiel 14:1-20Amplified Bible (AMP)

14 Then came certain of the elders of Israel to me and sat before me.

2 And the word of the Lord came to me:

3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and put the stumbling block of their iniquity and guilt before their faces; should I permit Myself to be inquired of at all by them?

4 Therefore speak to them and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Every man of the house of Israel who takes his idols [of self-will and unsubmissiveness] into his heart and puts the stumbling block of his iniquity [idols of silver and gold] before his face, and yet comes to the prophet [to inquire of him], I the Lord will answer him, answer him according to the multitude of his idols,

5 That I may lay hold of the house of Israel in the thoughts of their own mind and heart, because they are all estranged from Me through their idols.

6 Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Repent and turn away from your idols, and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

7 For anyone of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who separates himself from Me, taking his idols into his heart and putting the stumbling block of his iniquity and guilt before his face, and [yet] comes to the prophet to inquire for himself of Me, I the Lord will answer him Myself!

8 And I will set My face against that [false worshiper] and will make him a sign and a byword, and I will cut him off from the midst of My people; and you shall know (understand and realize) that I am the Lord.

9 [The prophet has not been granted permission to give an answer to the hypocritical inquirer] but if the prophet does give the man the answer he desires [thus allowing himself to be a party to the inquirer’s sin], I the Lord will see to it that the prophet is deceived in his answer, and I will stretch out My hand against him and will destroy him from the midst of My people Israel.

10 And they both shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the iniquity of the [presumptuous] prophet shall be the same as the iniquity of the [hypocritical] inquirer,..."

okaaay...not seeing the answer to the question, though. :)

i don't happen to eat foods on the 'bad' list, but perhaps for different reasons.
 
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okaaay...not seeing the answer to the question, though. :)

i don't happen to eat foods on the 'bad' list, but perhaps for different reasons.
thank you (a relief for your sake ) , there's others who fight against the Scripture, the true answer,
but
if
you
look in the TORAH, you will see yahweh's instructions to his people , and his promise that if they do as he says not one will be sick --- and it was true, and it is true to this day. the exceptions are simply that- exceptions for reasons known or unknown (yahweh knows).

for example, in 1902 only 1 in 100 people in the usa were in need of medicine /doctor's help.
today, because of disobedience, over 60 in 100 are on medicine/ doctor's help.

most of those are easy to cure, though it takes a complete lifestyle change, but many refuse to be cured - they are the 'hypocritical inquirers' in the Scripture.

many do not have the 'option', btw, and for those the guilt will not rest on them..... those responsible for the oppression or otherwise in control of their lives will bear the guilt....
...

[h=3]Deuteronomy 28 - Blessings for Obedience - If you fully - Bible ........
.... [SUP]61[/SUP] The .....
[/h] Lord will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in
this ...

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Grandpa

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Ezekiel 14:1-20Amplified Bible (AMP)

14 Then came certain of the elders of Israel to me and sat before me.

2 And the word of the Lord came to me:

3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their hearts and put the stumbling block of their iniquity and guilt before their faces; should I permit Myself to be inquired of at all by them?

4 Therefore speak to them and say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Every man of the house of Israel who takes his idols [of self-will and unsubmissiveness] into his heart and puts the stumbling block of his iniquity [idols of silver and gold] before his face, and yet comes to the prophet [to inquire of him], I the Lord will answer him, answer him according to the multitude of his idols,

5 That I may lay hold of the house of Israel in the thoughts of their own mind and heart, because they are all estranged from Me through their idols.

6 Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Repent and turn away from your idols, and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

7 For anyone of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who separates himself from Me, taking his idols into his heart and putting the stumbling block of his iniquity and guilt before his face, and [yet] comes to the prophet to inquire for himself of Me, I the Lord will answer him Myself!

8 And I will set My face against that [false worshiper] and will make him a sign and a byword, and I will cut him off from the midst of My people; and you shall know (understand and realize) that I am the Lord.

9 [The prophet has not been granted permission to give an answer to the hypocritical inquirer] but if the prophet does give the man the answer he desires [thus allowing himself to be a party to the inquirer’s sin], I the Lord will see to it that the prophet is deceived in his answer, and I will stretch out My hand against him and will destroy him from the midst of My people Israel.

10 And they both shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the iniquity of the [presumptuous] prophet shall be the same as the iniquity of the [hypocritical] inquirer,..."
Oh. So it would take an old testament prophet to answer this question biblically because they forgot to write it down? That was quite the oversight. I wonder how many other things they forgot to write down?

I wasn't inquiring of any old testament prophets by the way. I really don't ever do that.

I wanted false people to show from the bible that they are in fact, not false.
 

Grandpa

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Is there still a blessing contained in working at Old Testament principles or is that over now? Are we Christians or do we practice Judaism in the flesh? Is practicing Judaism in the flesh glorifying to God? Is there extra blessing to have Christ plus our work at the Old Testament???

Hebrews 7:12-28
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
[SUP]21 [/SUP](For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.


Maybe its scientific and not spiritual. Its scientifically better to be a legalist because you will live longer. When you live in Grace you wonder why people want to extend their stay down here. Maybe a legalist needs to live longer to give them extra time to finally come to the Revelation of Christ.

I wish I could give people the Revelation of Christ. But there is only One who can do that.

Ephesians 1:3-6

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

[SUP]6 [/SUP]To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.


I wonder why people would rather go back to the Law of a Carnal Commandment rather than seeking the Power of an Endless Life??? Was it because they never understood Christianity to begin with???

Its kind of a paradox.

Romans 9:30-33

[SUP]30 [/SUP]What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

[SUP]31 [/SUP]But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

[SUP]32 [/SUP]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

[SUP]33 [/SUP]As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Turned out to be kind of a long post... oh well...
 
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(1) yahweh blesses those who bless his people, forever... not just a little while.

(2) for you, neither.

(3) nothing in the flesh is profitable. "the flesh profits nothing".

(4) hypocritical questions. if you serve Christ, you always obey the Father.

(1)Is there still a blessing contained in working at Old Testament principles or is that over now?

(2) Are we Christians or do we practice Judaism in the flesh?

(3) Is practicing Judaism in the flesh glorifying to God?

(4) Is there extra blessing to have Christ plus our work at the Old Testament???
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Don't you think it had a lot to do with lack of refrigiration?
 
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If you are eating certain foods out of obligation to the old covenant then that would be trying to get acceptance from GOD through obedience to the old covenant and JESUS said that the words that he spoke are Spirit and they are life and man shall not live on bread alone(physical bread).

But if you are eating them because it agrees with your digestion then that would be ok because it's nothing wrong with a person taking care of their body.
 

KohenMatt

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I choose to follow these laws out of obedience to the God who saved me in thankfulness for what He did. It just so happens that all of these instructions are good and a blessing as well.
 
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There are specific laws given to the Jews, in the Old Testament about health, should we apply them to our lives today?
Actually, the laws in the OT were not given for health, they were given to teach the meaning of sin, which is spiritual defilement.

God gave mankind every living thing that moves as his food (Ge 9:3).

And in the NT, all food is clean (Ro 14:14).

The Mosaic regulations were temporary--to teach the meaning of spiritual defilement (sin),
cleansing (forgiveness through faith), penalty for sin (death), holiness (set apart--from sin, and to God).

As Gen 9:3 and Ro 14:14 show, the food laws were not about health, they were about the meaning of (spiritual) defilement.
 
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sparkman

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I used to keep the clean/unclean meat laws as part of the rules the Sabbathkeeping cult I belonged to taught.

I used to think I'd rather die than eat "unclean meats" if I had nothing else available. What foolishness.

One thing I know for sure though..we are not Jews under the Old Covenant.

The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and the nation of Israel (Ex. 31:12-17).The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for anyone (2 Cor. 3:4-18, Gal. 3:17-25, Heb. 8:13-9:4).Christians are under the New Covenant, which has higher demands and different commandments (Luke 22:20, Heb. 9:15; Jn. 13:34, 15:12, 17; Rom 13:10).The chief of those commandments is to love others as Christ loved us (Jn.13:34).

In regards to meats, if you believe the Bible concerning it, apparently they are not unclean. See underlined portion.


Mark 7: 14And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: 15There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.”[SUP]e[/SUP] 17And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. 18And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, 19since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?”[SUP]f[/SUP] (Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. 21For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. 23All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Romans 14: 14I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.

Is there some possible health value in avoiding the clean/unclean meat laws? Possibly. Is it required under the New Covenant? No. Are some Christians using false criteria to create their own righteousness system outside of faith in Jesus Christ? Yes.

I was one good little Pharisee when I believed those things. By the way, clean/unclean laws, Sabbathkeeping, tithing, festival observance are pretty easy things compared to working on major sins like Christ mentioned above.

Regards,

Robert
 
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Biblelogic01

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You just openned a can of worms on this one.

Overall I look at it in what I've seen in people's lives.

I know some people who have decided to go from eating unclean/non-kosher, to when they started eating clean/kosher there was a bunch of health benefits that came with. They got sick less and other things.

The biggest one I've seen is 1 my mom's diabetes went away, and then my dad's heart condition went from really bad to extremely healthy only in a matter of weeks, or a couple months.

Me personally I started eating "Kosher" in high school because a sports nutritionist told me to do so. It cuts out the majority of bad fats and cholesterols out of your diet (not all, but most of them).

I wasn't Torah observant until a few years after that though.

Best thing to do is not post a thread on it, but to consult God and His counselling, He will be the only one to give you the correct answer, and I believe you may already know it

Blessings :D
 

Grandpa

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(3) nothing in the flesh is profitable. "the flesh profits nothing"..
So you agree with Elin, then? So do I.

(4) hypocritical questions. if you serve Christ, you always obey the Father
You have obeying the Father confused with working at the Old Testament. They aren't the same thing.

Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Matthew 11:28-31
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
 
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sassylady

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This vision is about people.

Doctors now know that there are sound medical reasons for not eating the unclean foods listed in the OT. I wouldn't say it is a sin to eat them but not wise to do so.