The purpose of Christ
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You talking about Jesus as being a straw-man? He is stating a difference, one being opposite of the other.
Matthew 5:17-19,
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Evidently you want to be the least in the Kingdom of heaven. Straw woman.
Your comprehension of the English language seems to be lacking in this respect.
I'll quote a different version for your understanding.
"Do not think that I have come to loosen Torah or the prophets. I have not come to loosen but to fulfill then through proper meaning."
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16
Is there something that you don't understand about the word "all?"
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Ephesians 4:7-10
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
[SUP]9 [/SUP](Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
The captivity of sin had dominion over us in the past. Christ has captured that captivity, and has taken away that captivity to sin. He has made a way out from it's repression, and destitution that it causes. God's words have never held us captive, our own iniquity has. Our transgressions that held us in captivity have been eliminated and revealed to us by God's law. Through Christ we are free from that which has been revealed. Not the law of God, but what we see in ourselves via the law.
False doctrine is blaming the law instead of what the law reveals as transgressions against God.
"Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." Galatians 3:19
James calls this the glass/mirror that we look into. Repentance of what is revealed by the law brings to us the "law of liberty" through Christ Jesus. Notice in verse 25 that we are to continue. If the law that illuminates transgression has been made void by Christ, then we have no standard to go by in order to continue in the "law of liberty."
James 1:22-25
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
[SUP]9 [/SUP](Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
The captivity of sin had dominion over us in the past. Christ has captured that captivity, and has taken away that captivity to sin. He has made a way out from it's repression, and destitution that it causes. God's words have never held us captive, our own iniquity has. Our transgressions that held us in captivity have been eliminated and revealed to us by God's law. Through Christ we are free from that which has been revealed. Not the law of God, but what we see in ourselves via the law.
False doctrine is blaming the law instead of what the law reveals as transgressions against God.
"Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." Galatians 3:19
James calls this the glass/mirror that we look into. Repentance of what is revealed by the law brings to us the "law of liberty" through Christ Jesus. Notice in verse 25 that we are to continue. If the law that illuminates transgression has been made void by Christ, then we have no standard to go by in order to continue in the "law of liberty."
James 1:22-25
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
The purpose of Christ
The question underlines the problem of the questioner. Jesus did not have a purpose, he is the open hand of God saying come and know me. How well any of us know ourselves or our fellow man shows how hard this really is.
Look at the church and the fights even among the deciples about how this is actually worked out.
Now the proposal here is the new covenant is not different from the old covenant but a fulfillment. The problem is these are all shadows of Gods nature and our failure.
You are called to be a child of God, but to most christians this means which set of acceptable rules do I need to follow.
Until you know why this fails, you will never understand the heart of the Lord and mans failure.
The question underlines the problem of the questioner. Jesus did not have a purpose, he is the open hand of God saying come and know me. How well any of us know ourselves or our fellow man shows how hard this really is.
Look at the church and the fights even among the deciples about how this is actually worked out.
Now the proposal here is the new covenant is not different from the old covenant but a fulfillment. The problem is these are all shadows of Gods nature and our failure.
You are called to be a child of God, but to most christians this means which set of acceptable rules do I need to follow.
Until you know why this fails, you will never understand the heart of the Lord and mans failure.
A thought occurred to me in regard to this subject.
I went with my wife to a parents evening and the subject was how do you love your child.
It proposed that you had to choose to love your child and then how this love could be shown.
What struck me was the idea that parents do not automatically love and defend their children, go rediculously over the top about how cute and fantastic it is that their child smiled or made a noise, or grasped something.
The real problem they were trying to address was the cost, the lack of sleep, frustration, time involved and the need to be totally integrated with this learning and open human.
The course implied there were rules you could follow etc rather than address the essential nature of the relationship and failures and stresses involved.
I went with my wife to a parents evening and the subject was how do you love your child.
It proposed that you had to choose to love your child and then how this love could be shown.
What struck me was the idea that parents do not automatically love and defend their children, go rediculously over the top about how cute and fantastic it is that their child smiled or made a noise, or grasped something.
The real problem they were trying to address was the cost, the lack of sleep, frustration, time involved and the need to be totally integrated with this learning and open human.
The course implied there were rules you could follow etc rather than address the essential nature of the relationship and failures and stresses involved.
So many today say that Jesus does it all, and works is only from oneself and not of faith. I say it depends on how a person is taking that. First off, our every breath is given to us, and our heart beats with involuntary muscles. We have no say so about our life's end unless we invoke something else in order to stop living. It's God's call only, or at least it should be. Faith without works is dead, and works without faith proves nothing except a self image of righteousness. On the same token, if one says that they have faith without works, their faith is in vain. It's ones perspective under even given truthful circumstance.
So what are we supposed to do in order to receive the gift of salvation from God through His only begotten Son, Yeshuah Messiah, (Jesus the true Christ)? John the baptist tells it how it's done.
"For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." Matthew 3:3
Jesus doesn't build our road for him to ride in on. We do, and it better be straight so He can come to us without delay. This compares with not taking the time to let the dough rise with leaven when you are to be separated from the slavery of sin in haste, represented by Egypt as the world and the Passover by the blood.
So what are we supposed to do in order to receive the gift of salvation from God through His only begotten Son, Yeshuah Messiah, (Jesus the true Christ)? John the baptist tells it how it's done.
"For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." Matthew 3:3
Jesus doesn't build our road for him to ride in on. We do, and it better be straight so He can come to us without delay. This compares with not taking the time to let the dough rise with leaven when you are to be separated from the slavery of sin in haste, represented by Egypt as the world and the Passover by the blood.
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elin, hopefully and with great joy expecting , you have met or will meet yahshua hamashiach (jesus messiah savior king)
before you die and before judgment day, and you will be (or are) forgiven/cleansed of all sin
and given eternal life in HIM;
however,
your posts(no matter who you're responding to)
indicate something more like a strictly programmed response system, not
someone alive in christ jesus.
before you die and before judgment day, and you will be (or are) forgiven/cleansed of all sin
and given eternal life in HIM;
however,
your posts(no matter who you're responding to)
indicate something more like a strictly programmed response system, not
someone alive in christ jesus.
Thanks. . .I have the same good hope for you.
However, this personal experience you report is not surprising, considering. . .
My posts deal with the bare facts of NT Biblical truth,
because it is those bare facts which are trying to be covered over
with a thin veil of diversionary warm pious religious sentiments.
These bare facts of NT Biblical truth are never addressed,
but rather are just turned into the straw man of spiritual wantingness.
Seems the practitioners of such diversion do not realize that all the warm pious religious sentiments
of their supposedly superior truncated truth do not spiritually trump the facts of NT Biblical truth,
which Biblical facts they experience as a "programmed response," much preferring the more warm
pious religious sentiments of their truncated gospel.
That ain't the Holy Spirit.
Indeed. . .my posts are "programmed" according to the NT writings. . .not deviating from them.
Would that their warm pious "religious" sentiments were the same.
Theirs is the wrong measuring rod and plumb line for the gospel,
which can only be the NT word of God written--all of it,
and it is not surprising, but expected, that facts which are plumb
according to the NT word of God written do not appeal to you.
It's not about being "programmed," it's about the program itself. . .
the NT gospel or a truncated gospel.
However, this personal experience you report is not surprising, considering. . .
My posts deal with the bare facts of NT Biblical truth,
because it is those bare facts which are trying to be covered over
with a thin veil of diversionary warm pious religious sentiments.
These bare facts of NT Biblical truth are never addressed,
but rather are just turned into the straw man of spiritual wantingness.
Seems the practitioners of such diversion do not realize that all the warm pious religious sentiments
of their supposedly superior truncated truth do not spiritually trump the facts of NT Biblical truth,
which Biblical facts they experience as a "programmed response," much preferring the more warm
pious religious sentiments of their truncated gospel.
That ain't the Holy Spirit.
Indeed. . .my posts are "programmed" according to the NT writings. . .not deviating from them.
Would that their warm pious "religious" sentiments were the same.
Theirs is the wrong measuring rod and plumb line for the gospel,
which can only be the NT word of God written--all of it,
and it is not surprising, but expected, that facts which are plumb
according to the NT word of God written do not appeal to you.
It's not about being "programmed," it's about the program itself. . .
the NT gospel or a truncated gospel.
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