Geocentric model: stationary Earth. Is it the Biblical and logical view?

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I have set the LORD always before me:
because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
(Psalm 16:8)
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therefore the universe revolves around David.
or not.
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So you think that is about David's physical transplantation?
 
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yep. and fleas naturally take a dog-centric view.
doesn't make it correct.
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Actually, fleas take a flea-centric view.

Dog-centric views are for dogs.

Let's keep the views appropriate to creation here.
 
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Problem with geocentric proposals is the claim special and general relativity is wrong.
Let me point out one scientific problem, atomic clocks. Atomic clocks are so accurate now you can show if time is relative to your velocity or position over a body of large mass, ie relative gravity, it can now be measured.

They have measured the effect, by synchronizing clocks together and then making one travel at a speed for a defined time and then comparing the clocks again. This shows a difference.
You can do this also with clocks together in a room, raise one 1ft or 30 cm above the other, and the times change.

So the question then comes, if gravity or velocity have this effect, then we are not in a purely Newtonian world.
Now the other problem with a stationary earth is the speed galaxies would need to be moving at billions of light years away to rotate around the world in 24hrs. It is far simpler to assume they are actually stationary, and it is earth that is rotating as you observe with the light of the sun hitting earth as it spins.

Now the justification of such an idea of a stationary earth is to support the importance of God.
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Actually, it's to support the truth of God's word written.

He certainly does not need supporting in such a world, or does it make sense of what we know about moving objects on the planet. Importance is about intent not position.
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However, the importance of the truth of God's word written cannot be minimized.
 
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I have another mathematical equation here....

To calculate circumference you must take the diameter x pie

the sun is 92,960,000 miles from the earth..... x 2 = 185,920,000 miles would be the diameter

185,920,000 x 3.147 (pie) = 585,090,240 miles it would have to travel around the earth to get 1 (one) 24 hour day/night cycle

that would be 24,378,760 miles per hour or 406,312.6 miles per minute or 6,771.87 miles a second.....

The sun would have to be traveling 24,378,760 miles an hour to make one complete revolution around the earth within 24 hours.....

Just some numbers to ponder......
 
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The Geocentric view is the only acceptable view in my mind. At first, I wasn't sure, but now I'm more than sure. Of course I will open myself to a host of scorn and contempt, but that hasn't stopped me from believing in the Bible, when "smart people" told me the Bible isn't true.

Job 26: 7
He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon nothing.

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.


Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

Habakkuk 3:11 The sun and moon STOOD STILL in their habitation...


Has anyone felt an earth quake? If you did, you felt the earth move right? According to a Sun centered Universe, the Earth is traveling 30 kilometers a second. There is no proof of this happening. Throw dirt straight in the air, it falls back to the area which it was thrown. Planes do not have to make adjustments to their flights plans based upon the rotation of the Earth, because the earth is not in motion!

For those that are about to release the blood hounds on me, remember Albert Einstein said, either theory will work. I choose the Geocentric model since it is Biblical and makes sense in my mind.

Albert Einstein quote:
"The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS could be used with equal justification. The two sentences, 'the sun is at rest and the earth moves,' or 'the sun moves and the earth is at rest,' would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS."

Web pages to look at for reference..
www.geocentrism.com Is It Possible?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvwMc1jcR7Y
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The Earth is not the center of the solar system....but it is the center of the Universe.
 
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The Earth is not the center of the solar system....but it is the center of the Universe.
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Physically, how does that work. . .the solar system is the center of the universe?
 
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Elin said:
Physically, how does that work. . .the solar system is the center of the universe?
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Not sure why the solar system can't be in the center of the universe since we have absolutely no idea where the boundary of the universe is. There is no way to tell if it or it isn't is there?
 
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Not sure why the solar system can't be in the center of the universe since we have absolutely no idea where the boundary of the universe is. There is no way to tell if it or it isn't is there?
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Good thought. . .it's always expanding.
 
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Not sure why the solar system can't be in the center of the universe since we have absolutely no idea where the boundary of the universe is. There is no way to tell if it or it isn't is there?
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well, the Milky Way Galaxy, which is the home of our sun and the little planets whirling around it, is a run of the mill galaxy, as galaxies go, and God saw fit to put Terra Firma on the outer reaches of it

The earth's solar system ( what a sun with whirling planets is called) is at the edge of a sprial arm called the Orion Arm and is about 2/3rds of the wayt from the center of the Milky Way to the edge of starlight. (from "Hubble Site)

HUBBLE SITE don't be afraid to go there.....

so.........
 
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and for you? I offer this:

F L A T
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Well...I personally know a man who orbited the moon....I think like 19 times. Interesting how people will peddle anything for a buck.
 
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Well...I personally know a man who orbited the moon....I think like 19 times. Interesting how people will peddle anything for a buck.
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are you confusing this with one of the Transformer movies?
 
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Elin said:
posthuman said:
I have set the LORD always before me:
because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
(Psalm 16:8)
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therefore the universe revolves around David.
or not.
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So you think that is about David's physical transplantation?
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actually, i think it's pretty obvious from the verse that this is not talking about corporeal relative physical position vectors.

else, how could the Lord be both "always before" the psalmist, and also "at his right hand" ?

so if this verse is speaking figuratively, Psalm 104:5 can also be figurative, i think.
 
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are you confusing this with one of the Transformer movies?
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haha...maybe! Truthfully...I've worked for Frank Borman on many occasions. We never have talked about nasa tho.
 
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well I had to look Frank Borman up....that's pretty impressive! I honestly did not know that the moon had been flown around...landed on...but not around

us Canadians have too much snow and ice to fret over
 
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actually, i think it's pretty obvious from the verse that this is not talking about corporeal relative physical position vectors.

else, how could the Lord be both "always before" the psalmist, and also "at his right hand" ?

so if this verse is speaking figuratively, Psalm 104:5 can also be figurative, i think.
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Yeah. . .and?
 
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And. . .???
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And it is true as the Bible says it is.

Psalm 93:1

[SUP]1 [/SUP]The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
 
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