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    Default Geocentric model: stationary Earth. Is it the Biblical and logical view?

    The Geocentric view is the only acceptable view in my mind. At first, I wasn't sure, but now I'm more than sure. Of course I will open myself to a host of scorn and contempt, but that hasn't stopped me from believing in the Bible, when "smart people" told me the Bible isn't true.

    Job 26: 7
    He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon nothing.

    Ecclesiastes 1:5
    The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.


    Joshua 10:12-13
    Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

    Habakkuk 3:11 The sun and moon STOOD STILL in their habitation...


    Has anyone felt an earth quake? If you did, you felt the earth move right? According to a Sun centered Universe, the Earth is traveling 30 kilometers a second. There is no proof of this happening. Throw dirt straight in the air, it falls back to the area which it was thrown. Planes do not have to make adjustments to their flights plans based upon the rotation of the Earth, because the earth is not in motion!

    For those that are about to release the blood hounds on me, remember Albert Einstein said, either theory will work. I choose the Geocentric model since it is Biblical and makes sense in my mind.

    Albert Einstein quote:
    "The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS could be used with equal justification. The two sentences, 'the sun is at rest and the earth moves,' or 'the sun moves and the earth is at rest,' would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS.
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    Web pages to look at for reference..
    www.geocentrism.com Is It Possible?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvwMc1jcR7Y

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    Default Re: Geocentric model: stationary Earth. Is it the Biblical and logical view?

    *facepalm* *headdesk*

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    Default Re: Geocentric model: stationary Earth. Is it the Biblical and logical view?

    uhm, dirt falls down in the same spot because it is also moving. If you are in the back of a (large enough) car and jump straight up, you don't fall off, you fall / land at the same place because you are moving at the same speed as the car
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwjd_kilden View Post
    uhm, dirt falls down in the same spot because it is also moving. If you are in the back of a (large enough) car and jump straight up, you don't fall off, you fall / land at the same place because you are moving at the same speed as the car
    Try jumping the direction of orbit, than jumping the opposite of orbit. Wouldn't you jump further in the opposite direction?

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    Well.....it takes 17 hours to fly from Dallas to Sydney Australia and only 15 hours to fly back from Sydney Australia to Dallas at 575 miles an hour.....

    575 miles an hour is 575 miles an hour no matter what direction you are flying in...soooooooo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kinda View Post
    Try jumping the direction of orbit, than jumping the opposite of orbit. Wouldn't you jump further in the opposite direction?
    Ummmm....your logic is failing....when you are in a car TRAVELING down the road and you throw something out the window it sails right along with the car...because BOTH are moving.....

    When in a plane going 575 miles an hour do you perceive that you are flying 575 miles an hour? Yet if the plane came to a grinding halt what would happen?.....just like a bug on the window you would go splat why? Because you are moving 575 miles an hour! Nice try, but this proves nothing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinda View Post
    The Geocentric view is the only acceptable view in my mind. At first, I wasn't sure, but now I'm more than sure. Of course I will open myself to a host of scorn and contempt, but that hasn't stopped me from believing in the Bible, when "smart people" told me the Bible isn't true.

    Job 26: 7
    He stretches out the north over the void, and hangs the earth upon nothing.

    Ecclesiastes 1:5
    The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.


    Joshua 10:12-13
    Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

    Habakkuk 3:11 The sun and moon STOOD STILL in their habitation...


    Has anyone felt an earth quake? If you did, you felt the earth move right? According to a Sun centered Universe, the Earth is traveling 30 kilometers a second. There is no proof of this happening. Throw dirt straight in the air, it falls back to the area which it was thrown. Planes do not have to make adjustments to their flights plans based upon the rotation of the Earth, because the earth is not in motion!

    For those that are about to release the blood hounds on me, remember Albert Einstein said, either theory will work. I choose the Geocentric model since it is Biblical and makes sense in my mind.

    Albert Einstein quote:
    "The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS could be used with equal justification. The two sentences, 'the sun is at rest and the earth moves,' or 'the sun moves and the earth is at rest,' would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS.
    "

    Web pages to look at for reference..
    www.geocentrism.com Is It Possible?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvwMc1jcR7Y
    The Bible is true, but I don't think it teaches geocentricism. Take a look at this article, it discusses those verses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kinda View Post
    The Geocentric view is the only acceptable view in my mind.
    I hate to point this out, but it is actually irrelevent. All you are talking about is reference points. If you are the reference point then the universe is moving and you are stationary. If the sun in the reference point, then the earth is travelling around the sun etc.

    The only dispute historically was the idea that everything revolved around the earth with the earth being the most important feature, which is gravity and rotation it is not.

    Secondly, everything in space is hanging in nothing, because space ( 3d space) with nothing in it is what defines space.

    So what are you saying that is so controversial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJens View Post
    I hate to point this out, but it is actually irrelevent. All you are talking about is reference points. If you are the reference point then the universe is moving and you are stationary. If the sun in the reference point, then the earth is travelling around the sun etc.

    The only dispute historically was the idea that everything revolved around the earth with the earth being the most important feature, which is gravity and rotation it is not.

    Secondly, everything in space is hanging in nothing, because space ( 3d space) with nothing in it is what defines space.

    So what are you saying that is so controversial?

    the sun is the centre of the solar mass the earth is the centre of the universe mass - the earth does not move and www.galileowaswrong.com and also see under Geocentrism www.johnsalza.com - wincam

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    ***Reply to dcontroversial***


    I'm not astrophysisis (spelling), but I would assume that is due to head wind, jetstream, or what not? Disagree? They are not accounting for Orbit, but for wind patterns.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJens View Post
    I hate to point this out, but it is actually irrelevent. All you are talking about is reference points. If you are the reference point then the universe is moving and you are stationary. If the sun in the reference point, then the earth is travelling around the sun etc.

    The only dispute historically was the idea that everything revolved around the earth with the earth being the most important feature, which is gravity and rotation it is not.

    Secondly, everything in space is hanging in nothing, because space ( 3d space) with nothing in it is what defines space.

    So what are you saying that is so controversial?
    Well, you are smarter than the average bear. Most would assume I completely ignorant to say such things. So, a balance view should be promoted, rather than scorned. It just so happens that the most popular view is wrong, as usual. All you have to do is look at the President. I voted for Gary Johnson by the way.... Anyways, thanks for intelligent reply!

    I think if you look at the world around you, it is very natural to see a Geocentric view. Who the hell sees the world from the Sun's perspective? Solar Flares?

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    Default Re: Geocentric model: stationary Earth. Is it the Biblical and logical view?

    Einstein did say that.
    The Bible does state that.

    We are his ultimate creation, so to think we sit still, and everything revolves around His masterpiece isn't out of the realm of possibility.

    I've read where scientists say that it only takes one or two instruments to prove the planet is completely stationary.
    Sadly, we can't run to Target to pick it up to try it though.

    Fascinating subject, l cant say either way. Did my research...and have my opinions.
    Some also try to say the earth is flat.
    So we have to investigate nutcase theories, considering none of us have spaceships( l think?) to truly prove anything.
    All we have is mans word.
    Science as a whole lies to us, intentionally and sometimes unintentionally......and is constantly trying to disprove God exists .......so, who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kinda View Post
    I'm not astrophysisis (spelling) .......
    Clearly !

    Whilst kinda respecting the poster,
    it is unfortunate that this type of thinking does great damage to Christians and their message.
    Geocentrics, flat-earthers, some creationists, even climate-change deniers - invite ridicule and destroy credibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinda View Post
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    I'm not astrophysisis (spelling), but I would assume that is due to head wind, jetstream, or what not? Disagree? They are not accounting for Orbit, but for wind patterns.

    Lets look at it....

    The speed of a plane traveling at 575 miles an hour is 925.373 kilometers an hour

    The rotation (supposed) of the earth at 45 degrees in 1180 kilometers an hour, at the equator 1670 kilometers an hour....

    Lets do the math shall we.....

    1180kph-925.313kph=254.687

    254.687kph x 17 hours =4329.679 kilometers over 17 hours

    4329.679k divided by 925.373kph (575 miles an hour) = 4.6791 hours

    This is if you are flying in a straight line and obviously the numbers will be variable because of crossing the equator and the difference in the circumference of the earth and the variable speed at which it rotates....plus you are not flying in a straight line.......and actually the return trip is a little under 15 hours.....

    So...if it was just wind that cause the difference how fast would that wind have to be......?

    If I remember right the wind speed was a little over 90 kilometers and hour on the way down.......

    90 times 17 is 1530 kilometers over 17 hours

    1530 kilometers is roughly 951 miles

    951 divided by 575mph =1.65 hours.....

    Very Interesting for sure..........

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    Cast not your pearls before swine simply means don't argue with the unreceptive!

    The OP is not about cosmology; it is about stirring strife and wasting time; and we are all too ready to step into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kinda View Post
    Well, you are smarter than the average bear.
    Ok Looked a bit at he website you quoted. I did a degree in physics so I know a bit about the subject.
    The controversial point is quite important. The first is special theory of relativity is wrong. The second is the big bang theory has a big hole in it which dark energy and dark matter are designed to fill.

    Now I know about the problem of dark energy etc. but this problem could be solved is if gravity behaves differently at very large scales.

    The problem of idea of a geocentric universe is at first insane, because we know the earth going round the sun is observable fact. If there is a problem shown up with GPS and the speed of light, then that is very significant.

    I am therefore very interested. Anything that is measurable matters, because you can construct experiments to confirm or deny the proposition. The accusation is scientists are biased, which again is 100% true, especially is they are atheists.
    One reason for the multiple universe idea is because science was leading them to the conclusion the universe could only exist because one constant had to exist at a value so precise 10^20+ that it only could happen if it was planned.

    But that hypothosis had to be rejected because that would mean religion mattered. I will look into this further, but currently I am a little sceptical, but I am always open to ideas if they make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterJens View Post
    Ok Looked a bit at he website you quoted. I did a degree in physics so I know a bit about the subject.
    The controversial point is quite important. The first is special theory of relativity is wrong. The second is the big bang theory has a big hole in it which dark energy and dark matter are designed to fill.

    Now I know about the problem of dark energy etc. but this problem could be solved is if gravity behaves differently at very large scales.

    The problem of idea of a geocentric universe is at first insane, because we know the earth going round the sun is observable fact. If there is a problem shown up with GPS and the speed of light, then that is very significant.

    I am therefore very interested. Anything that is measurable matters, because you can construct experiments to confirm or deny the proposition. The accusation is scientists are biased, which again is 100% true, especially is they are atheists.
    One reason for the multiple universe idea is because science was leading them to the conclusion the universe could only exist because one constant had to exist at a value so precise 10^20+ that it only could happen if it was planned.

    But that hypothosis had to be rejected because that would mean religion mattered. I will look into this further, but currently I am a little sceptical, but I am always open to ideas if they make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Well.....it takes 17 hours to fly from Dallas to Sydney Australia and only 15 hours to fly back from Sydney Australia to Dallas at 575 miles an hour.....

    575 miles an hour is 575 miles an hour no matter what direction you are flying in...soooooooo!
    but thats cuz the sun is moving...lol.
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    Throw dirt straight in the air and it comes down in the same place because everything is moving with the earth at the same speed.
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    And put your helmet on...
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