Does God Hate?

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lovespeace123

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Or honestly, is that a more mature teaching?

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Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Mal 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
 

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God hates the things that come from the sinfull nature. The fallen world system we live in today comes from the sinfull man God hates it
james 4:4 you adulterous people, dont you know that friendship with the world is hatred towards God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
another thing is should we hate our mother and father or should we love them? we are told many times to love and that God loves but then there comes something wich seems quite the oposite like, luke 14:26-27 If anyone comes to me and dose not hate his father and mother, his wife and children , his brothers and sisters-yes,even his own life -he nannot be my disciple. and anyone who dose not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
then we have Mathew 5 :43-48 You have heard that it was said love your neighbour and hate your enamy But I tell you love your enamies and pray for those who persacute you, that you may be sons of your father in heaven He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good and sends rain on the rightious and the unrightious If you love those who love you what reward will you get? are not even tax collectors doing that? and if you greet only your brothers what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? be perfect therefoe as your heavenly father is perfect.

anyways just a few thoughts there haha good question though
 
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re: pagie's post

it would be very helpful to get a breakdown of the meanings of the words for 'hate' in the original languages, esp. with that verse about hating one's mother/father. we have just the one word, but in aramaic/greek there may be several, with different shades of meaning.

[too lazy to use the shift key :p]
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When comparing scripture with scripture God doesn't really want us to 'hate' or mother or father. It's more that our love for Him should be such that in comparison to our love for our parents it would almost seem like hate....in other words, our priority should be our love for God and that is what should be unswerving.
 
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I believe it is in comparison to that this world is its present state is passing away that is why we are told friendship with the world is enamy of God, we are a new creation and belong to a new creation and the same I believe is for the statment Jesus made about mother, father, wife, brother, and even ourself, for instaince Jesus says anyone who wants to be my disciple must deny himself pick up his cross and follow me.mathew 16:24
paul says in 1 cor 7:29-31 What I mean brothers is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as though they had none, those who morne as though they did not, those who are happy as though they were not, those who buy something as if it were not theres to keep, those who use the things of this world as if not engrossed in them, for this world in its present form is passing away
not that we hate any one nor that we focus our thoughts in such direction rather quite the oposite we are instructed manny times to love people and in eph 5 men are instructed to love there wives just like christ loved the church so much as to give up his life for her one of the 10 comandments is to Honer your mother and father, so well hahaha I dont know, I see it as the things wich belong to the world gal 6:14 paul says the world has been crucified to me and I to the world.
 
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oh man me and topher talked about this...not only does he hate...but he's been known to feed the fire that causes him to hate...Read Romans 9, and you'll notice that he made some decisions that caused Pharaoh to ignore Gods call to let his people go, not only because he chose to, but because God's influence on Pharaoh's heart...he pushed Pharaoh to disobey Moses, and then he judged Pharaoh...it's twisted :) Lol but he grew up Pharaoh, made him the leader he was, and then while wanting one thing, he influence Pharaoh to withold giving it to him...just so he could prove a point Lol or show his power...and thats the God we worship, so not only does he hate, but he likes to get the point across no matter what it takes...
 
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I Love my God, Don't ask questions yo Romans 9:20-21
 
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Is a teaching about the Hatred/Wrath of God still applicable in our churches?

Yes!! It is the truth and it creates a holy fear of God- the foundation of wisdom. It also breeds reverence and purity- both of which are badly needed in our churches. Unfortunately, Christianity has become 2 miles wide and an inch deep. In our effort to make God "seeker friendly" we have stripped away the truth of who he is and as a consequence, only connect with a flannel gram God - a fuzzy warm bestest pal- who does our bidding and is powerless.
 
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Kyra, I looooove what you said.....and you even wrote it in green as well!! It does seem very shallow theology at times. I would recommend that all christians that desire a balanced view of God to pick up and read books about God's holiness....yes, the Bible would be/should be your main source but there are many other good books on it. I'm currently doing a study with my accountability partner on a book titled The Pursuit of Holiness as well as having read Holiness by Henry Blackaby. I wrote a paper one time talking about truth. I had said that truth is both a silk and a sandpaper. Itching ears just wanna feel the silk next to their skin and that is enough to make them content. But God loved us enough to reveal the entire truth to us even though some of it left us feeling kinda itchy-scratchy, but the itchy-scratchy is just as important as the soft-silky because it is the itchy-scratchy sandpaper part of it that convicts us and helps to bring about change in our own characters and it's the silk that helps us to understand the motivation of the wonderful God behind all of it. The paper I wrote was about 7 to 10 pages long so in an effort to try and keep it simple, I'm just giving you some quick ideas. Do you guys agree or disagree? ....and Merry Christmas to you all, btw!!!.
 
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Since you have posted this response I have been thinking about it and I agree with you. There are two sides to truth, and when taken in, it does change us. You are right, there is a smooth side and a rough side to the truth and many people usually refuse to accept the "scratchy". Not just on big issues but on small issues as well.

One positive point in my own life, I have increasingly found that the "ugly" or "scratchy" truth actually increases my faith. Mainly because if God is willing to tell me the hard stuff- because He is honest- I know He means it when He tells me the "good".

Merry Christmas!
 
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Kyra said:
Is a teaching about the Hatred/Wrath of God still applicable in our churches?

Yes!! It is the truth and it creates a holy fear of God- the foundation of wisdom. It also breeds reverence and purity- both of which are badly needed in our churches. Unfortunately, Christianity has become 2 miles wide and an inch deep. In our effort to make God "seeker friendly" we have stripped away the truth of who he is and as a consequence, only connect with a flannel gram God - a fuzzy warm bestest pal- who does our bidding and is powerless.
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why do you insist on the king james witch you say is Gods word, should we insist its not Gods word because its not in greek or Aramaic
 
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jjkg said:
Kyra, I looooove what you said.....and you even wrote it in green as well!! It does seem very shallow theology at times. I would recommend that all christians that desire a balanced view of God to pick up and read books about God's holiness....yes, the Bible would be/should be your main source but there are many other good books on it. I'm currently doing a study with my accountability partner on a book titled The Pursuit of Holiness as well as having read Holiness by Henry Blackaby. I wrote a paper one time talking about truth. I had said that truth is both a silk and a sandpaper. Itching ears just wanna feel the silk next to their skin and that is enough to make them content. But God loved us enough to reveal the entire truth to us even though some of it left us feeling kinda itchy-scratchy, but the itchy-scratchy is just as important as the soft-silky because it is the itchy-scratchy sandpaper part of it that convicts us and helps to bring about change in our own characters and it's the silk that helps us to understand the motivation of the wonderful God behind all of it. The paper I wrote was about 7 to 10 pages long so in an effort to try and keep it simple, I'm just giving you some quick ideas. Do you guys agree or disagree? ....and Merry Christmas to you all, btw!!!.
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jjkg said:
When comparing scripture with scripture God doesn't really want us to 'hate' or mother or father. It's more that our love for Him should be such that in comparison to our love for our parents it would almost seem like hate....in other words, our priority should be our love for God and that is what should be unswerving.
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You have to be careful Raymond. If you mix hatred and zeal together, you might find a destructive spirit that does that want 'all men to be saved'. If you mix it with a little 'do not avenge, vengeance is mine, I will repay' - they you have the right cocktail.

The truth is Jesus - those who accept Him become children and have the opportunity to become sons (and begin to inherit the kingdom). Those who do intentionally REJECT him are spiritual marks, men/women who condemnation is reserved for. I'll note that has to be the correct preaching of Christ...his sacrifice on the Cross (Christ and Him crucified).

I agree with you about fear of God being the beginning of wisdom, not that it matters - it is in scripture. I asked if God hates, because our current church only preaches love and sweet things, and this church is diabetic from all the sugar. Sad thing is that loving the wrong things (world) incurs the wrath of God and we are strengthened by grace and not 'ceremonial foods'.

Our spiritual pattern is that we are servants, and that we are sheep to the slaughter and while we keep the doors of our churches open, we have to be strong enough to kick people out. It used to be that many were the afflictions of the righteous, but nowadays we have apostles of ease. <-- :rolleyes:

The original question branched from our current churches fascination with sinners. We were called to call them to repentance, but many churches seem to want to comfort them. Because of this, there is sin in churches, division, and lack of holiness. The real reason for it is because people do not want to be persecuted, reviled, hated for living holy lives. They want sweetness in church and out. There are no walls between the church and men, we are all becoming one - when we should be separate.

However, when things get fiery like they may get in/because of this recession, you see God is actually clearing his threshing floor. He can tell the genuine from the fake by trials - some fiery. I believe in the end, if you have not set it in your mind that you may suffer for what you believe, you will fade.

Sam
 
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Where is Jerry Falwell when you need him? He missed on some things, but the man was separate and holy - or at least that's what I judged Him as.

Sam
 
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