The Role of the Woman

[Misty77]

Feminism is the political, social, and economic equality of the sexes. Period.

New-wave feminism has successfully convinced most that Feminism=Pro-choice. Actually, the majority of feminists from the late nineteenth century were pro-life. Feminists for Life carries on that tradition by stating, "Abortion isn't proof that women are free; it's proof that women are desperate."

Man-haters are a category all to themselves. I respect them about as much as the sorority girl who claims feminism along with her treasure hoard of fads like veganism or horn-rimmed glasses.

And by the way, Jesus was a feminist in that He was radical in His treatment of women and elevated them to a status they had not previously held.

 

[zoii]

I really cant accept the value that the man has to be the head of a marriage - its a partnership. I cant accept that a womans place is to be subordinant to her husband. I cant accept that a wifes place is to be submissive sexually to her husbands needs. Whether you agree with me or not I cant help seeing it as a version of women as servants. I feel so strongly about some of the statements made about a womans role it pretty well convinces me to go to a sperm bank, have my children and love them, and avoid the necessary servitude to men and avoid the risks of abuse domestic violence and issues that seem to come with the package of being tied to a man.

 

[PeterJens]

I really cant accept the value that the man has to be the head of a marriage - its a partnership.

Speaking from experience, the truth is whatever the theory is, emotional love, means a marriage is always a partnership, and though the man or woman might believe they are the decision maker, it is always a compromise, and things are never what they seem. Look at your own parents and you will see.

There are some fundamental principles at work though. Women tend to love their husbands and desire they love them back than men do in expressing themselves. Men tend to be task orientated and get on and do the grind, and put up with rediculous situations even when it is destroying them.

But as humans men need women as much as women need men. In this partnership we make families and the next generation. Now these compromises will forever be the biggest risk you ever take and also the greatest joy if it works out. It is worth far more than bailing out on love, and going to a sperm bank, because raising children alone really makes so much more sense.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

All your conclusions are false, as is often the case with you. I've never been married. Nobody left. I share relevant statistics, studies, and observations which radical feminism has negatively and materially wrought across Western Civilization since the late 1960s.

For some reason, probably your leftist programming, this causes you to engage in the fallacy of ad hominem. It's unfortunate that drawing false conclusions and projecting fabricated ad hominem at people somehow helps you make sense of the world primarily because it reveals how lost you really are intellectually and in your personal worldview which, of course, makes you a liability toward correcting the serious sweeping problems caused by radical feminism.

Bachelor Nation: 70% of Men Aged 20-34 Are Not Married

I've just come to the conclusion that one of two things have happened. Either you were married and she left and thus you blame feminism and everything else under the sun to resolve yourself of not making said marriage work or thta you are just impossible for women to stay with in the first place.

 

[JFSurvivor]

I learned something tonight: don't look at others with "scripture eyes" becuase scripture is like a mirror. Look at them with your heart or with Gods eyes so you see the good as opposed to their sinfullness. This applies to women. if you look at women with JUST SCRIPTURE EYES you could end up seeing an ugly picture if you so choose. The Bible is like a mirror because it shows the good, the bad and the ugly. We are not called to judge based on the good, the bad and the ugly. We are called to love. How can women be loved of they are constantly being told they aren't wise enough or too emotional? (Btw this can apply to normal everyday life as well)

 

[birdie]

men and women - always a popular subject

I guess all Christians are women in the sense that they are called the bride of Christ in parable language.

 

[CeileDe]

I really cant accept the value that the man has to be the head of a marriage - its a partnership. I cant accept that a womans place is to be subordinant to her husband. I cant accept that a wifes place is to be submissive sexually to her husbands needs. Whether you agree with me or not I cant help seeing it as a version of women as servants. I feel so strongly about some of the statements made about a womans role it pretty well convinces me to go to a sperm bank, have my children and love them, and avoid the necessary servitude to men and avoid the risks of abuse domestic violence and issues that seem to come with the package of being tied to a man.

So you are saying you can't accept the bible?

 

[CeileDe]

I learned something tonight: don't look at others with "scripture eyes" becuase scripture is like a mirror. Look at them with your heart or with Gods eyes so you see the good as opposed to their sinfullness. This applies to women. if you look at women with JUST SCRIPTURE EYES you could end up seeing an ugly picture if you so choose. The Bible is like a mirror because it shows the good, the bad and the ugly. We are not called to judge based on the good, the bad and the ugly. We are called to love. How can women be loved of they are constantly being told they aren't wise enough or too emotional? (Btw this can apply to normal everyday life as well)

Umm, you are wrong on judging as well. If you read scripture we can judge others.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Umm, you are wrong on judging as well. If you read scripture we can judge others.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." That pretty much means YOU better be squeaky clean before you judge someone else's way of life.. when Jesus said these words, he was talking to the people who wanted to stone a prostitute. They were judging her for her lifestyle, but how could THEY judge HER when their own lifestyles and decisions were probably just as sinful as her's were? The ONLY one who can judge others is JESUS.. not a single person on earth right now is Jesus.


Though I'm sure some have the delusion that they are..lol..

 

[CeileDe]

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." That pretty much means YOU better be squeaky clean before you judge someone else's way of life.. when Jesus said these words, he was talking to the people who wanted to stone a prostitute. They were judging her for her lifestyle, but how could THEY judge HER when their own lifestyles and decisions were probably just as sinful as her's were? The ONLY one who can judge others is JESUS.. not a single person on earth right now is Jesus.


Though I'm sure some have the delusion that they are..lol..

John 7:24 “Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

1 Corinthians 5:11-13 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.

1 Timothy 5:20 20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

 

[ember]

I do not compare men and women. I read the bible take out what the bible says a role of a woman is and try to apply it to my life. II Corinthians 10:12, "For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and COMPARING THEMSELVES AMONG THEMSELVES, ARE NOT WISE."

God did not make Eve from one of Adam’s foot bones, for Adam to trample over; nor did He make Eve from a bone of Adam’s head, for her to rule over the man. God made Eve from a bone right out of man’s side a help meet at his side

No men and women are not equal (being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value) and they are not meant to be men and women each have different qualities that make them needed and important. That does not mean the should not be equal in the work force or in the eyes of the law.

All you did was copy/paste from the repressive teaching of your ultra anti-female church

I have read enough there to know that the church you have represented here, is waaaay outside of most Baptist churches...but then again, your church is independent and answers to no one...which is always a big problem IMO

I have nothing against you personally, but the copy/paste of your op is not a fair representation of women, the marriage relationship or Christians in general. I do realize some agree with you...but then again, you agree with you....or at least your church

 

[ember]

I am not taking offense, but you really do not know what I have been through and I have had responsibilities since a young age that most don't even have to deal with and so I have always been more mature than others my age. Granted, I am not married and God created me this way for a purpose. In all my friendships and relationships I have always taken the submissive approach and I don't feel that is wrong. Now, I realize marriage is different. I hope you don't think I am a pushover because I stand up for what I believe in and almost got suspended because I took a stand on abortion being murder. I don't really think there is anything wrong with how I see things. I do apologize if I sound harsh, but I know that I am allowing God to mold me into what he wants for my life.

Don't blame your life or what you consider you may have 'gone through' on God. That, is a fallacy that many choose to hide under in order to fail to take action and knowingly follow Christ while having the fortitude to facillitate CHANGE in their perspective and understanding of their position in Christ.

I don't think you understand what submission really means. I don't know you...being a pushover has absolutely nothing to do with this op...if anything, I think you are naive.

You sound passive...which is the last place a Christian should stand.

You know very well you do not sound harsh. Please.

 

[ember]

Listen carefully. Feminism is about gaining power over governments, institutions, societies, and people for the explicit benefit of females. Period.

The present feminist legal contracts being served up by leftist Western governments are voluntary male slave agreements that resemble the ancient slave agreements that existed in antiquity in which a person would voluntarily enslave themselves to an owner. But at least in ancient Israel, a person who had legally enslaved themselves to another would have the opportunity to gain their freedom during the Jubilee.

I'm not "going back to Egypt" as the saying goes. God wants me to be a free man and not a legally contracted and government controlled slave of another person.

The statistics are clear. In leftist Western Civilization, marriage is now in steep decline and non-immigrant birthrates are declining. Wait until male birth control comes to market. Then you'll see the birth rate fall as rapidly as marriage has.

Feminism is about government and societal power over non-females for the benefit of females. Equality is nothing more than a marketing slogan that doesn't align with the reality. Men know it and are increasingly going their own way in droves rather than enter into what amounts to a human slave contract.

Argue all you like, but it's in a steep nose dive now and will eventually crash. It's just a matter of time. Men are increasingly refusing to sign agreements slaving themselves out. Interestingly, the ability of government to continue borrowing and handing out the money to single mothers in the form of welfare and social services will be severely curtailed at about the same time. A severe economic crisis is also taking form down the line. A spectacular socio-political firework show will eventually result complete with riots and possibly revolutionary groups like existed in the 60's. Very exciting stuff. Enjoy it since you helped create it.

OK...we get it...you think everything is about feminism

It isn't.

The Bible says that the world system is against God...feminists take the last seat on the bus...or maybe not at all...but I'll let you have the last seat to appease you

No one is arguing about feminism but you.

Men know it and are increasingly going their own way in droves rather than enter into what amounts to a human slave contract.

oh baloney...most men do not see things as you do....if this is all you talk about, then that is your own little world...it's not reality

 

[JFSurvivor]

Umm, you are wrong on judging as well. If you read scripture we can judge others.

Show me a verse.

 

[JFSurvivor]

John 7:24 “Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

1 Corinthians 5:11-13 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.

1 Timothy 5:20 20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

OK so John 7:24- Jesus was talking to the pharisees here and telling them to judge him correctly. This is not a command for us.

1 Corinthians 5:11-13- This is talking about other Christians. Not non-believers.

1 Timothy 5:20- again, talking about other Christians, not non-believers.

 

[cmarieh]

Don't blame your life or what you consider you may have 'gone through' on God. That, is a fallacy that many choose to hide under in order to fail to take action and knowingly follow Christ while having the fortitude to facillitate CHANGE in their perspective and understanding of their position in Christ.

I don't think you understand what submission really means. I don't know you...being a pushover has absolutely nothing to do with this op...if anything, I think you are naive.

You sound passive...which is the last place a Christian should stand.

You know very well you do not sound harsh. Please.

I don't blame God on anything and never once suggested it. I consider it a blessing because during that time God allowed me to learn and enjoy some of the tasks I was responsible for. No one person knows who they are in Christ as God should be changing them into whoever God wants them to be. I do know what submission is as I submit myself to God every morning. That is to surrender oneself to another. I am by no means a passive person, I choose whether to respond to something or not. I pray before I make any decision and I do not appreciate being judged on anything I have stated here. I choose to submit to God and allow God to mold me into what he wants and I don't believe that has anything to do with being passive or naive if anything that is true submission.

 

[TwilightSparkle]

John 7:24 “Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

1 Corinthians 5:11-13 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.

1 Timothy 5:20 20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

Frst off think BEFORE you post verses celie. All those verses you are applying out of context.If you want to understand a verse read the chapter if you want to understand the chapter, read the book if you want to understand the books read the bible and ask god to show you understanding which comes with time as well as experience.

Now onto your verses

John 7:24 This is when jesus goes to the festival of tabernacles. The crowd around him says that jesus is demon possessed. Jesus points out that if they circumcise a boy on the Sabbath to not break mosaic law (which was given to them BY GOD) why are they angry when jesus is doing a miracle on the same day that HE created for them. Therefore showing that his motives were good and god driven as always and that they shouldn't judge someones actions unless they understand the motives behind them. So in appearance it might be a violation to heal a man on the Sabbath yet it is right to do works of necessity and mercy.

1 Corinthians 5:11-13: In context that verse was part of this letter to the church of Corinth during is third missionary trip. He was writing in regards to the man sleeping with his fathers wife who was also a prominent church leader. So when he says purge the evil from among you, hes referring to the church to remove this man while also emphasizing that we should not judge those outside the church because they are lost but we need to keep those inside the church accountable. Furthermore, the six sins in verse 11 encompass five areas of our behavior; sex, money, possession, drink and tongue. The church of Christ must be uniquely distinctive in these areas and if anyone within the church does not actively seek to adhere to that distinction or the Christian way of life (basically if they choose to ignore it and not better themselves) then and in that instance must they be removed BY THE CHURCH. So we as individuals cannot cast others out

1 Timothy 5:20: That is talking to widows elder and slaves. Your specific verse is saying that if someone particularly elders (in my NIV translation) it is saying to hold the elders accountable for their persistent sins. And that the church should be aware of this as to not follow that individual as a role model, And also that elders should not act in constant sinfulness and that if they do, then they aren't really elders and need to be taken from their position at that point.

So advice for all Christians when using scripture KNOW THE CONTEXT OF YOUR VERSES. And ceile, i now find your arguments and verses henceforth invalid and inaccurate and unsupportive

 

[TwilightSparkle]

John 7;24 umm...yeah jesus was actually talking to the crowd not the pharisees. Just a little clarification

 

[JFSurvivor]

John 7;24 umm...yeah jesus was actually talking to the crowd not the pharisees. Just a little clarification

Well lookie there! You're right! Thanks for that!

 

[TwilightSparkle]

I would like to piggyback off this for a second. Id say we need to use scripture eyes to see ones sinfulness but rather than us it to boost our egos and put others down. We should and are supposed to use that in tandem with love to help others and to shape our perceptions to become more biblical AND loving. For example if I compare you to the bible i might see that youre prideful. Now we have two choices 1) We identify with you and politely point it out and encourage to help you grow OR 2) we just say that im better than you and be done. I would argue we NEED scripture eyes but like that john verse we need not judge by appearance but work to help whats underneath for their benefit because tis right