Can culture awareness help understand certain parts of scripture

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Biblelogic01

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So in my studies of scripture, and understanding I've been wondering. Is culture awareness needed to have an understanding of some parts of scripture.

Now before I go into this, what I am stating here is just the understanding that I have come to know. I am not telling anyone else that their way is wrong, and I am not telling people that they need to follow or understand as what I've come to follow or understand. I am simply just explaining my thoughts on this.

I have posted on a thread about this, but I really didn't go into detail.

This thread will be rather long, so if you are going to reply without reading through the whole post, then please save time and not reply/post.

So the scriptures we're looking at I'll split into 2 parts.
First
Colossians 2
[SUP]1[/SUP]For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, [SUP]2 [/SUP]that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and[SUP][a][/SUP] of Christ, [SUP]3 [/SUP]in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, [SUP]7 [/SUP]rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it[SUP][b][/SUP] with thanksgiving.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; [SUP]10 [/SUP]and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[SUP][c][/SUP] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, [SUP]12 [/SUP]buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, [SUP]17 [/SUP]which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore,[SUP][e][/SUP] if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— [SUP]21 [/SUP]“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” [SUP]22 [/SUP]which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? [SUP]23 [/SUP]These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.


So in a summary Paul is basically stated to not chase after man's traditions. Which I whole heartedly agree with. God's ways are the only ways.
So here is where culture awareness comes in.
In Colossae, at that time in history there was a religous group called Gnostics, or also called Proto-Gnostics. Basically this religous group believed in all doctrines from multiple different religons if you want to put it this way. They worshiped angels, not God or gods, they follow a specific strict diet, they followed man's philosphies oppose to God's ways. They followed mainly the teachings of Plato, and other philosophers like him. Another one of the things they did is they took the feasts from Torah, and the appointed times from Torah and "pganised" them.
Now not only this, but the Gnostics/Proto-Gnostics also judged and persecuted those who did not believe in their ways. They are very much like a major cult that would have been accepted at the time period, and would attempt to force their ways on others (very much like we see in today's culture on different topics/situations).

So again, overall my understanding is Paul would be warning and teaching against the Gnostics because there had been a church set up in Colossae. Paul knew that they church/christians would come under scrutiny from the Gnostics. Paul was teaching not to fall into their man-made doctrines/teachings/philosophies, but to keep their eye on the salvation and grace that Yeshua has brought us. He's not saying do not follow the feasts of God, but not to follow the ways of man.

Now with this said I'm not saying you have to follow/observe the feasts, that is your own conviction on whether to observe or not. I'm stating that Paul direction was not towards Torah, but man-made doctrines.

Part 2
Galatians 4:8-11
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? [SUP]10 [/SUP]You observe days and months and seasons and years. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

Now I know this is a short exerpt from the passage of Galatians 4.
Here we see Paul starts off talking about how (whoever he is speaking to) before they knew God they basically worship nature. Then the next sentence Paul refers to after the Galatians became known by God, he asks them why they are turning away from God, and going into practices of elemental worship (going back to their old ways).

Who were the Galatians?
Well if you look at where they came from, the people in Galatia came from Gaul which their religous beliefs were Celtic beliefs. Well as well all know from movies and what not and history, the Celts worshipped nature. They had montly/seasonal/yearly festivals. Days the set to worship their nature gods.

So with knowing this, I would believe it is safe to say that Paul was referring to the early Christians in Galatia returning to their pagan roots, and worshipping the elements. Again like in Colossians, I do not believe that Paul is referrencing to the feasts in Torah, but to traditions of man.

Overall with these 2 passages, Paul is teaching against man's traditions. Not traditions that God set up.

Again I am not saying I'm right and others are wrong and I'm right, this is simply just my understanding on what I've learned in studying.

So with this, my question is; Does understanding culture help with studying scripture?

I am not saying or disreguarding the Holy Spirits guidance, I'm just asking a simple question.

.

Blessings :)

 

MarcR

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So in my studies of scripture, and understanding I've been wondering. Is culture awareness needed to have an understanding of some parts of scripture.

Now before I go into this, what I am stating here is just the understanding that I have come to know. I am not telling anyone else that their way is wrong, and I am not telling people that they need to follow or understand as what I've come to follow or understand. I am simply just explaining my thoughts on this.

I have posted on a thread about this, but I really didn't go into detail.

This thread will be rather long, so if you are going to reply without reading through the whole post, then please save time and not reply/post.

So the scriptures we're looking at I'll split into 2 parts.
First
Colossians 2
[SUP]1[/SUP]For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, [SUP]2 [/SUP]that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and[SUP][a][/SUP] of Christ, [SUP]3 [/SUP]in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, [SUP]7 [/SUP]rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it[SUP][b][/SUP] with thanksgiving.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; [SUP]10 [/SUP]and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[SUP][c][/SUP] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, [SUP]12 [/SUP]buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, [SUP]17 [/SUP]which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore,[SUP][e][/SUP] if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— [SUP]21 [/SUP]“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” [SUP]22 [/SUP]which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? [SUP]23 [/SUP]These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.


So in a summary Paul is basically stated to not chase after man's traditions. Which I whole heartedly agree with. God's ways are the only ways.
So here is where culture awareness comes in.
In Colossae, at that time in history there was a religous group called Gnostics, or also called Proto-Gnostics. Basically this religous group believed in all doctrines from multiple different religons if you want to put it this way. They worshiped angels, not God or gods, they follow a specific strict diet, they followed man's philosphies oppose to God's ways. They followed mainly the teachings of Plato, and other philosophers like him. Another one of the things they did is they took the feasts from Torah, and the appointed times from Torah and "pganised" them.
Now not only this, but the Gnostics/Proto-Gnostics also judged and persecuted those who did not believe in their ways. They are very much like a major cult that would have been accepted at the time period, and would attempt to force their ways on others (very much like we see in today's culture on different topics/situations).

So again, overall my understanding is Paul would be warning and teaching against the Gnostics because there had been a church set up in Colossae. Paul knew that they church/christians would come under scrutiny from the Gnostics. Paul was teaching not to fall into their man-made doctrines/teachings/philosophies, but to keep their eye on the salvation and grace that Yeshua has brought us. He's not saying do not follow the feasts of God, but not to follow the ways of man.

Now with this said I'm not saying you have to follow/observe the feasts, that is your own conviction on whether to observe or not. I'm stating that Paul direction was not towards Torah, but man-made doctrines.

Part 2
Galatians 4:8-11
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? [SUP]10 [/SUP]You observe days and months and seasons and years. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

Now I know this is a short exerpt from the passage of Galatians 4.
Here we see Paul starts off talking about how (whoever he is speaking to) before they knew God they basically worship nature. Then the next sentence Paul refers to after the Galatians became known by God, he asks them why they are turning away from God, and going into practices of elemental worship (going back to their old ways).

Who were the Galatians?
Well if you look at where they came from, the people in Galatia came from Gaul which their religous beliefs were Celtic beliefs. Well as well all know from movies and what not and history, the Celts worshipped nature. They had montly/seasonal/yearly festivals. Days the set to worship their nature gods.

So with knowing this, I would believe it is safe to say that Paul was referring to the early Christians in Galatia returning to their pagan roots, and worshipping the elements. Again like in Colossians, I do not believe that Paul is referrencing to the feasts in Torah, but to traditions of man.

Overall with these 2 passages, Paul is teaching against man's traditions. Not traditions that God set up.

Again I am not saying I'm right and others are wrong and I'm right, this is simply just my understanding on what I've learned in studying.

So with this, my question is; Does understanding culture help with studying scripture?

I am not saying or disreguarding the Holy Spirits guidance, I'm just asking a simple question.

.

Blessings :)

I believe that Paul is addressing the same issue in Colossae and Laoodicea as in Galatia; namely, the Judaizers.

The difference seems to be that in Galatia, the Judaizers had much more success and influence; while the churches in Collossae and Laodicea tended to resist them.

That's why the tone in Galations is admonition and exhortation; while the tone in Colossians is exhortation and encouragement.
 
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Biblelogic01

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I believe that Paul is addressing the same issue in Colossae and Laoodicea as in Galatia; namely, the Judaizers.

The difference seems to be that in Galatia, the Judaizers had much more success and influence; while the churches in Collossae and Laodicea tended to resist them.

That's why the tone in Galations is admonition and exhortation; while the tone in Colossians is exhortation and encouragement.
I see what you're saying on this, and that can be more understanding in Colossae because from my understanding a Judaizer is a sect of gnostics (that's just from my understanding on some studying I've done).
But in Galatians, the wording is different as to what they were looking to/worshipping.
There is no recolection of elemental worship in Torah, which is why that passage in Galatians I believe Paul may have been speaking about their old culture, because Celtic culture is based off of elemental worship.

You do bring a good point and I understand it.

Again I'm just speaking my mind on the topic. I don't think Paul was directly talking about the feasts in Torah is my main point on these topics, which lead to the question about culture awareness at the time in history. Like when I read scripture I try to put myself in the listener's shoes. For example as if I was one of the people in Colossae, or Galatia at that time period. I also do that when I read other books, it's just how I understand things.
 
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I see what you're saying on this, and that can be more understanding in Colossae because from my understanding a Judaizer is a sect of gnostics (that's just from my understanding on some studying I've done).
But in Galatians, the wording is different as to what they were looking to/worshipping.
There is no recolection of elemental worship in Torah, which is why that passage in Galatians I believe Paul may have been speaking about their old culture, because Celtic culture is based off of elemental worship.

You do bring a good point and I understand it.

Again I'm just speaking my mind on the topic. I don't think Paul was directly talking about the feasts in Torah is my main point on these topics, which lead to the question about culture awareness at the time in history. Like when I read scripture I try to put myself in the listener's shoes. For example as if I was one of the people in Colossae, or Galatia at that time period. I also do that when I read other books, it's just how I understand things.
A favorite preacher of mine calls it, "Putting on our sandals." when we read.
 
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......[SUP]5 [/SUP]For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, [SUP]7 [/SUP]rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it[SUP][b][/SUP] with thanksgiving.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; [SUP]10 [/SUP]and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power..........
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore,[SUP][e][/SUP] if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— [SUP].......[/SUP]So in a summary Paul is basically stated to not chase after man's traditions. Which I whole heartedly agree with. God's ways are the only ways.......
Galatians 4:8-11
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But then, indeed, when you did not know God,
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you served those which by nature are not gods. [SUP]........[/SUP]
Here we see Paul starts off talking about how (whoever he is speaking to) before they knew God
>>>they basically worship nature. ........
.....So with this, my question is; Does understanding culture help with studying scripture?
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not even understanding english helps with studying scripture, as noted above by >>>

remember how did the disciples know that yahshua is MESSIAH !? and the 'scholars' DIDn'T KNOW !?

remember what yahshua himself said, how they knew??? (hint: simon peter... blessed art thou...)

and in many other ways and all through HIS WORD.... even yochanan the immerser said >> "no man can receive (get, have, understand, grasp) ANYTHING unless it is GRANTED from the FATHER IN HEAVEN...."

and so it is today, as always, just as yahshua says, just as it is written.
 
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not even understanding english helps with studying scripture, as noted above by >>>

remember how did the disciples know that yahshua is MESSIAH !? and the 'scholars' DIDn'T KNOW !?

remember what yahshua himself said, how they knew??? (hint: simon peter... blessed art thou...)

and in many other ways and all through HIS WORD.... even yochanan the immerser said >> "no man can receive (get, have, understand, grasp) ANYTHING unless it is GRANTED from the FATHER IN HEAVEN...."

and so it is today, as always, just as yahshua says, just as it is written.
I'm not fully sure where you're coming from on this.
Like I agree with what you're saying, but I'm trying to understand what you're trying to state towards the OP.

Like I said in post #5, when I read I like to put myself in the listener's shoes.
Now (and again this is just me personally), if I'm going to put myself in someone's shoes that far back in history, I would like to know/understand the culture around that person and the background. Which lead me to this understanding.

I'm not telling people to go out and do this, if that's what your getting at.
 

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I think what Jeff is saying is to rely on Holy Spirit to reveal meaning of scripture to you. Which yes, is true but there's nothing wrong in understanding cultures etc. of the time to increase understanding, IMO.
 
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Biblelogic01

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I think what Jeff is saying is to rely on Holy Spirit to reveal meaning of scripture to you. Which yes, is true but there's nothing wrong in understanding cultures etc. of the time to increase understanding, IMO.
Ok, and that makes it more understanding wording it like that, which I whole-heartedly agree with. I guess my question should have been more along the lines of what you just stated as far as it help increase the understanding.
 
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P.S.
I'm horrible with wording sometimes.
My fiance reminds me of it daily :/
Lol, but it's a good thing she understands what I'm trying to say though. :D
 
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So in my studies of scripture, and understanding I've been wondering. Is culture awareness needed to have an understanding of some parts of scripture.

Now before I go into this, what I am stating here is just the understanding that I have come to know. I am not telling anyone else that their way is wrong, and I am not telling people that they need to follow or understand as what I've come to follow or understand. I am simply just explaining my thoughts on this.

I have posted on a thread about this, but I really didn't go into detail.

This thread will be rather long, so if you are going to reply without reading through the whole post, then please save time and not reply/post.

So the scriptures we're looking at I'll split into 2 parts.
First
Colossians 2
[SUP]1[/SUP]For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, [SUP]2 [/SUP]that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and[SUP][a][/SUP] of Christ, [SUP]3 [/SUP]in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, [SUP]7 [/SUP]rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it[SUP][b][/SUP] with thanksgiving.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; [SUP]10 [/SUP]and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[SUP][c][/SUP] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, [SUP]12 [/SUP]buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, [SUP]17 [/SUP]which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore,[SUP][e][/SUP] if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— [SUP]21 [/SUP]“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” [SUP]22 [/SUP]which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? [SUP]23 [/SUP]These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.


So in a summary Paul is basically stated to not chase after man's traditions. Which I whole heartedly agree with. God's ways are the only ways.
So here is where culture awareness comes in.
In Colossae, at that time in history there was a religous group called Gnostics, or also called Proto-Gnostics. Basically this religous group believed in all doctrines from multiple different religons if you want to put it this way. They worshiped angels, not God or gods, they follow a specific strict diet, they followed man's philosphies oppose to God's ways. They followed mainly the teachings of Plato, and other philosophers like him. Another one of the things they did is they took the feasts from Torah, and the appointed times from Torah and "pganised" them.
Now not only this, but the Gnostics/Proto-Gnostics also judged and persecuted those who did not believe in their ways. They are very much like a major cult that would have been accepted at the time period, and would attempt to force their ways on others (very much like we see in today's culture on different topics/situations).

So again, overall my understanding is Paul would be warning and teaching against the Gnostics because there had been a church set up in Colossae. Paul knew that they church/christians would come under scrutiny from the Gnostics. Paul was teaching not to fall into their man-made doctrines/teachings/philosophies, but to keep their eye on the salvation and grace that Yeshua has brought us. He's not saying do not follow the feasts of God, but not to follow the ways of man.

Now with this said I'm not saying you have to follow/observe the feasts, that is your own conviction on whether to observe or not. I'm stating that Paul direction was not towards Torah, but man-made doctrines.

Part 2
Galatians 4:8-11
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? [SUP]10 [/SUP]You observe days and months and seasons and years. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

Now I know this is a short exerpt from the passage of Galatians 4.
Here we see Paul starts off talking about how (whoever he is speaking to) before they knew God they basically worship nature. Then the next sentence Paul refers to after the Galatians became known by God, he asks them why they are turning away from God, and going into practices of elemental worship (going back to their old ways).

Who were the Galatians?
Well if you look at where they came from, the people in Galatia came from Gaul which their religous beliefs were Celtic beliefs. Well as well all know from movies and what not and history, the Celts worshipped nature. They had montly/seasonal/yearly festivals. Days the set to worship their nature gods.

So with knowing this, I would believe it is safe to say that Paul was referring to the early Christians in Galatia returning to their pagan roots, and worshipping the elements. Again like in Colossians, I do not believe that Paul is referrencing to the feasts in Torah, but to traditions of man.

Overall with these 2 passages, Paul is teaching against man's traditions. Not traditions that God set up.

Again I am not saying I'm right and others are wrong and I'm right, this is simply just my understanding on what I've learned in studying.

So with this, my question is; Does understanding culture help with studying scripture?

I am not saying or disreguarding the Holy Spirits guidance, I'm just asking a simple question.

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Blessings :)

Apparently, it has worked well for you... so why are you doubting it now? It did help understand context, so yes.
 

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Not only is cultural context helpful, I think that it is vital in fully understanding scripture.
 
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I think learning such things can be a hindrance just as often as it is a help.

I know many young preachers that just don't seem to "get it" when it comes to Scripture because they are too focused on the scholarly connections and implications rather than the spiritual connections and implications.

To a discerning person, the added knowledge helps in discerning Truth.
To most, the added knowledge gets in the way of the Truth.

When a person specializes on a topic, they begin seeing that topic within every other topic. Like a Calvinist who sees Calvinism on every page of the Word, or a Dispensationalist who sees dispensationalism on every page, or a psychologist who see psychological profiles on every page, or a mathematician who sees formulas on every page...
Sometimes the learning becomes a distraction.
 

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I think learning such things can be a hindrance just as often as it is a help.

I know many young preachers that just don't seem to "get it" when it comes to Scripture because they are too focused on the scholarly connections and implications rather than the spiritual connections and implications.

To a discerning person, the added knowledge helps in discerning Truth.
To most, the added knowledge gets in the way of the Truth.

When a person specializes on a topic, they begin seeing that topic within every other topic. Like a Calvinist who sees Calvinism on every page of the Word, or a Dispensationalist who sees dispensationalism on every page, or a psychologist who see psychological profiles on every page, or a mathematician who sees formulas on every page...
Sometimes the learning becomes a distraction.
Yep and the word of the day is balance ☺
 
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I think what Jeff is saying is to rely on Holy Spirit to reveal meaning of scripture to you. Which yes, is true but there's nothing wrong in understanding cultures etc. of the time to increase understanding, IMO.
yes, simply. like paul said of all his education which surpassed anyone else's ,
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as it is written to look at the members of the body, "not many" educated... "not many" rich, "not many" high up on the various emotional/societal/religious scales....

look at this forum, those who reject revelation that jesus and all the apostles walked in, that even yochanan the immerser proclaimed is necessary to receive anything,
those who reject revelation insist instead on <man's> study, knowledge, wisdom, education, programs, doctrines etc etc etc
and they reject jesus and those who proclaim jesus revelation/ resurrection / truth in all life and on this forum.

or as it is written in scripture "look in the assembly" (that is IF you can find the assembly; keep seeking, keep seeking, don't stop seeking; trust only GOD and JESUS and revelation from Him to reveal the TRUTH about everything..... ) ... AND watch others on the forum who reject revelation.... watch, and pray....
 

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So in my studies of scripture, and understanding I've been wondering. Is culture awareness needed to have an understanding of some parts of scripture.

Now before I go into this, what I am stating here is just the understanding that I have come to know. I am not telling anyone else that their way is wrong, and I am not telling people that they need to follow or understand as what I've come to follow or understand. I am simply just explaining my thoughts on this.

I have posted on a thread about this, but I really didn't go into detail.

This thread will be rather long, so if you are going to reply without reading through the whole post, then please save time and not reply/post.

So the scriptures we're looking at I'll split into 2 parts.
First
Colossians 2
[SUP]1[/SUP]For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, [SUP]2 [/SUP]that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and[SUP][a][/SUP] of Christ, [SUP]3 [/SUP]in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, [SUP]7 [/SUP]rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it[SUP][b][/SUP] with thanksgiving.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; [SUP]10 [/SUP]and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[SUP][c][/SUP] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, [SUP]12 [/SUP]buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, [SUP]14 [/SUP]having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, [SUP]17 [/SUP]which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore,[SUP][e][/SUP] if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— [SUP]21 [/SUP]“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” [SUP]22 [/SUP]which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? [SUP]23 [/SUP]These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.


So in a summary Paul is basically stated to not chase after man's traditions. Which I whole heartedly agree with. God's ways are the only ways.
So here is where culture awareness comes in.
In Colossae, at that time in history there was a religous group called Gnostics, or also called Proto-Gnostics. Basically this religous group believed in all doctrines from multiple different religons if you want to put it this way. They worshiped angels, not God or gods, they follow a specific strict diet, they followed man's philosphies oppose to God's ways. They followed mainly the teachings of Plato, and other philosophers like him. Another one of the things they did is they took the feasts from Torah, and the appointed times from Torah and "pganised" them.
Now not only this, but the Gnostics/Proto-Gnostics also judged and persecuted those who did not believe in their ways. They are very much like a major cult that would have been accepted at the time period, and would attempt to force their ways on others (very much like we see in today's culture on different topics/situations).

So again, overall my understanding is Paul would be warning and teaching against the Gnostics because there had been a church set up in Colossae. Paul knew that they church/christians would come under scrutiny from the Gnostics. Paul was teaching not to fall into their man-made doctrines/teachings/philosophies, but to keep their eye on the salvation and grace that Yeshua has brought us. He's not saying do not follow the feasts of God, but not to follow the ways of man.

Now with this said I'm not saying you have to follow/observe the feasts, that is your own conviction on whether to observe or not. I'm stating that Paul direction was not towards Torah, but man-made doctrines.

Part 2
Galatians 4:8-11
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? [SUP]10 [/SUP]You observe days and months and seasons and years. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

Now I know this is a short exerpt from the passage of Galatians 4.
Here we see Paul starts off talking about how (whoever he is speaking to) before they knew God they basically worship nature. Then the next sentence Paul refers to after the Galatians became known by God, he asks them why they are turning away from God, and going into practices of elemental worship (going back to their old ways).

Who were the Galatians?
Well if you look at where they came from, the people in Galatia came from Gaul which their religous beliefs were Celtic beliefs. Well as well all know from movies and what not and history, the Celts worshipped nature. They had montly/seasonal/yearly festivals. Days the set to worship their nature gods.

So with knowing this, I would believe it is safe to say that Paul was referring to the early Christians in Galatia returning to their pagan roots, and worshipping the elements. Again like in Colossians, I do not believe that Paul is referrencing to the feasts in Torah, but to traditions of man.

Overall with these 2 passages, Paul is teaching against man's traditions. Not traditions that God set up.

Again I am not saying I'm right and others are wrong and I'm right, this is simply just my understanding on what I've learned in studying.

So with this, my question is; Does understanding culture help with studying scripture?

I am not saying or disreguarding the Holy Spirits guidance, I'm just asking a simple question.

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Blessings :)

I agree with the above. I was into hebrew roots (HR) for ten years, and for example what you mentioned here, which some HR proponents are teaching, or at least similar to it, I believe they are basically right about that. And, yes, culture awareness does help us to understand certain scriptures. That does not mean that judaizing was not a problem in Paul's days, for it was. And it is a problem in the HR circles today. It is primarily in the hard work of rightly distinguishing law and gospel where most HR go wrong.
 
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In agreement with Sophia, I want to say:

I consider myself a scholar. For myself, I see great benefit in being a scholar. I make no apology for being a scholar.



But no amount of scholarship can substitute for or equal the value of the Holy Spirit's gift of understanding!

Jn 16:13-14
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
KJV