Jesus is God

[iwant2serve]

There was a question asked to me saying, "Can you be saved and not know Jesus is God". My response was "Yes you can".
I will explain the answer. I have not found where the Bible saysI have to know Jesus is God or understand that he is God to get saved. Many people like myself did not know this when we came to Jesus for salvation. I only knew him (Jesus) as the Son of God, the Savior, the Christ and so on. Once I statred reading and understanding the Bible I saw that scripture revealed him as God as part of the Godhead which includes Father, Son and Holy Spirit and these three are one. Now I do believe that you cannot deny it and call yourself saved either ined it has bee shown to you in the Bible even though you don't understand how it could be.

So my questions are:
When you got saved did you have the knowledge that Jesus is God?
or
Did that knowledge come to you after asking Jesus to save you?
or
Do you believe you have to know this before you can be saved?

 

[Blain]

There was a question asked to me saying, "Can you be saved and not know Jesus is God". My response was "Yes you can".
I will explain the answer. I have not found where the Bible saysI have to know Jesus is God or understand that he is God to get saved. Many people like myself did not know this when we came to Jesus for salvation. I only knew him (Jesus) as the Son of God, the Savior, the Christ and so on. Once I statred reading and understanding the Bible I saw that scripture revealed him as God as part of the Godhead which includes Father, Son and Holy Spirit and these three are one. Now I do believe that you cannot deny it and call yourself saved either ined it has bee shown to you in the Bible even though you don't understand how it could be.

So my questions are:
When you got saved did you have the knowledge that Jesus is God?
or
Did that knowledge come to you after asking Jesus to save you?
or
Do you believe you have to know this before you can be saved?

I doubt that God would deny a heart that wants to have him in it because they didn't have the knowledge Jesus is God. Thats like a babe in Christ not being a real Christian because they have not learned how to be love yet

 

[williamjordan]

As I've said before,

'If all one needs to do is believe that Jesus is, in some round-a-bout sense, the "Son of God" with disregard of the remainder of things the NT has to say about Him then the authors of the NT wasted their time combating many myths/untruths about Christ. What would have been the point for Paul, or any other to write entire letters which entail so much detail about the person and being of Jesus Christ, if all that one needs to believe is that He is, in some sense, the "Son of God"? One must believe that Jesus is the Son of God to the extent that the Apostles also believed and whom they discuss in so much detail throughout the NT, or else your view of Jesus as the "Son of God" is distorted.'

 

[iwant2serve]

As I've said before,

'If all one needs to do is believe that Jesus is, in some round-a-bout sense, the "Son of God" with disregard of the remainder of things the NT has to say about Him then the authors of the NT wasted their time combating many myths/untruths about Christ. What would have been the point for Paul, or any other to write entire letters which entail so much detail about the person and being of Jesus Christ, if all that one needs to believe is that He is, in some sense, the "Son of God"? One must believe that Jesus is the Son of God to the extent that the Apostles also believed and whom they discuss in so much detail throughout the NT, or else your view of Jesus as the "Son of God" is distorted.'

So when you first received Jesus you had all that understanding of him?

 

[Joidevivre]

I sure didn't. I was just a little girl who wanted Jesus to live with me. He was real to me.

But I understood the sacrifice He made for me, and it became real every time I took communion.

It is later in life that I began to understand the Trinity. Children have a problem with abstract thinking. I accepted that He was in my heart. And so He was.

 

[williamjordan]

I think there are multiple ways I could answer this. We approach this with two different theological pressupositions, so without taking this conversation elsewhere I will answer in the simplest way possible.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’" (Matthew 7.21-23)

Immediately upon reading this text one spots an issue. Who are these individuals that Jesus speaks of as referring to Him as "Lord, Lord"? Who are these individuals performing these miracles (driving out demons, et al.) in Jesus' name? These are people who readily identify as Christian, yet Jesus tells them, "I never knew you."

Just because one identifies as Christian does not mean you are saved. There is a difference between intellectual assent and saving faith.

 

[crossnote]

And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. (Mat 16:17)

One may get saved without knowing that Jesus is God, but if after being shown clear teaching from Scripture that He is God and a person continues to deny it, I would say that person's claim to being saved is in serious question.

 

[MyLighthouse]

1. I knew Jesus was Lord, my Messiah, The Christ, the Son of God.
2.You must confess Jesus is Lord as a part of salvation and confessing Jesus is the Son of God is how we know we abide in God.
3."If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Rom 10:9) "Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God." (1 Jn 4:15)

Do you have to believe in a Trinity or Oneness etc., nope.

"But we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life." (1 Cor 8:16)

God and Jesus are one as we are one with them.

 

[sparkman]

I am not defining who is saved and who is not saved, but I would make this point:

Romans 10: [SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

The underlined portion is from Joel 2:32 and the word Lord is translated YHVH so it's definitely talking about God.

Personally I knew Jesus was God when I was saved. But I was doctrinally wrong about other things, so I do believe God is merciful to doctrinal misunderstandings. He was with me anyways. We grow in knowledge.

 

[LoveLea]

1 John 4:1-3Testing the Spirits
1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.…
John 1:1The Beginning
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God
John 1:14The Word Made His Dwelling among Us
14And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[crossnote]

And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. (Mat 16:17)

One may get saved without knowing that Jesus is God, but if after being shown clear teaching from Scripture that He is God and a person continues to deny it, I would say that person's claim to being saved is in serious question.

Eventually, one needs to ...

I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM He you will die in your sins."
(Joh 8:24)

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
(Joh 5:18)

 

[atwhatcost]

There was a question asked to me saying, "Can you be saved and not know Jesus is God". My response was "Yes you can".
I will explain the answer. I have not found where the Bible saysI have to know Jesus is God or understand that he is God to get saved. Many people like myself did not know this when we came to Jesus for salvation. I only knew him (Jesus) as the Son of God, the Savior, the Christ and so on. Once I statred reading and understanding the Bible I saw that scripture revealed him as God as part of the Godhead which includes Father, Son and Holy Spirit and these three are one. Now I do believe that you cannot deny it and call yourself saved either ined it has bee shown to you in the Bible even though you don't understand how it could be.

So my questions are:
When you got saved did you have the knowledge that Jesus is God?
or
Did that knowledge come to you after asking Jesus to save you?
or
Do you believe you have to know this before you can be saved?

I was raised Catholic before I was saved, so, yeah, I knew Jesus was God.

On the other hand, I can give you some famous names who God judged righteous who didn't know:
Adam
Eve
Abel
Seth
Noah
Abraham
Isaac,
Jacob
Joseph

(See where I'm going here? lol)

But I do think when you find out who Jesus is, you do have to ultimately accept he is God, or you're not all that saved. (Then that becomes denying the Savior, which is oxymoron to being saved by the Savior.) Then again, that just means we agree.

 

[LoveLea]

It is clear scripture says yes.....
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM He you will die in your sins."
(Joh 8:24)

What God says is true. No arguing with God.

 

[flob]

In coming to Him, and asking Him to come into you, forgive you for your sins, cleanse you, give you a new life, give you His life (His life is eternal life), believing into Him, you at least implicitly know and believe He's God, the I AM. Who else would He be? And you're also, by calling on Him, believing that He's living. Alive. Resurrected. If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord
(who else is Lord?), and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you'll be saved. For with the mouth there's confession to salvation, and with the heart, believing to righteousness. Justification

 

[iwant2serve]

So to thoes who keep postig scriptures that Jesus is God have a total misunderstanding of this post. This is not to prove Jesus is God and no one is denying that he is God. Just as the scriptures that are being posted that he is God many can be posted that he is the Son of God.
Do you have to have the understanding that Jesus is God for him to save you.
The title Lord does not mean God it means ruler or owner of, the title Christ does not mean God but it means anontied one, Savior m4eand one who saves from evil, deliver from danger to safety.
Funny thing is many say you have to believe Jesus is God yet have little to no understanding o fthe Godhead, does that disqualify them from being saved as well?

 

[sparkman]

So to thoes who keep postig scriptures that Jesus is God have a total misunderstanding of this post. This is not to prove Jesus is God and no one is denying that he is God. Just as the scriptures that are being posted that he is God many can be posted that he is the Son of God.
Do you have to have the understanding that Jesus is God for him to save you.
The title Lord does not mean God it means ruler or owner of, the title Christ does not mean God but it means anontied one, Savior m4eand one who saves from evil, deliver from danger to safety.
Funny thing is many say you have to believe Jesus is God yet have little to no understanding o fthe Godhead, does that disqualify them from being saved as well?

Actually, Lord in some places like Romans 10:13 refers to YHVH so it is a direct appeal to the deity of Christ. Go back to the original OT quotation in Joel 2.

However, I do believe that individuals can have doctrinal confusion and still be saved. Whether that includes a precise understanding of the deity of Christ is the issue. God works with them on those issues. The Holy Spirit leads one to truth.

I don't really know how a seeker would rationalize the sinlessness of Christ without understanding his deity, though. And his sinlessness is a fundamental aspect of being our sin offering.

 

[iwant2serve]

It is clear scripture says yes.....
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM He you will die in your sins."
(Joh 8:24)

What God says is true. No arguing with God.

To take a scripture out of the bible and make a case based on the words I am He does not prove nothing. Read the context of the passage and you will see Jesus mention the Father as well as himself as the Son.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true.
[SUP]18[/SUP]I am One that bear witness of Myself, and the Father that sent Me beareth witness of Me.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then they said unto Him, “Where is thy father?” Jesus answered, “Ye neither know Me, nor My Father. If ye had known Me, ye should have known My Father also.”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]These words spoke Jesus in the treasury as He taught in the temple, and no man laid hands on Him, for His hour was not yet come.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then Jesus said again unto them, “I go My way, and ye shall seek Me, and shall die in your sins. Whither I go, ye cannot come.”
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Then said the Jews, “Will he kill himself, because he saith, ‘Whither I go ye cannot come’?”
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And He said unto them, “Ye are from beneath; I am from above. Ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]I said therefore unto you that ye shall die in your sins; for if ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins.”
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Then they said unto Him, “Who art thou?” And Jesus said unto them, “Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

There are many scriptures that teach us Jesus is God no one is denying that fact. So whe nyou read the post read it as it is written not as you already have come to a conclusion that it is from a false doctrine.

 

[michael56]

There was a question asked to me saying, "Can you be saved and not know Jesus is God". My response was "Yes you can".
I will explain the answer. I have not found where the Bible saysI have to know Jesus is God or understand that he is God to get saved. Many people like myself did not know this when we came to Jesus for salvation. I only knew him (Jesus) as the Son of God, the Savior, the Christ and so on. Once I statred reading and understanding the Bible I saw that scripture revealed him as God as part of the Godhead which includes Father, Son and Holy Spirit and these three are one. Now I do believe that you cannot deny it and call yourself saved either ined it has bee shown to you in the Bible even though you don't understand how it could be.

So my questions are:
When you got saved did you have the knowledge that Jesus is God?
or
Did that knowledge come to you after asking Jesus to save you?
or
Do you believe you have to know this before you can be saved?

I went to trinitarian churches of various denominations for over 20 years and did not believe Jesus was God himself for that was never preached from the pulpit. I would assume that being the case the ministers did not believe it was necessary to believe jesus is God to be saved. The internet however is mostly very different from the average church. People there do mostly demand such a belief at some point to inherit eternal life

 

[atwhatcost]

So to thoes who keep postig scriptures that Jesus is God have a total misunderstanding of this post. This is not to prove Jesus is God and no one is denying that he is God. Just as the scriptures that are being posted that he is God many can be posted that he is the Son of God.
Do you have to have the understanding that Jesus is God for him to save you.
The title Lord does not mean God it means ruler or owner of, the title Christ does not mean God but it means anontied one, Savior m4eand one who saves from evil, deliver from danger to safety.
Funny thing is many say you have to believe Jesus is God yet have little to no understanding o fthe Godhead, does that disqualify them from being saved as well?

The title Lord means many things. It is the English language that lowers it to just one word.

And, as for if our understanding of the Godhead disqualifies us from salvation, we're all doomed. I think it's impossible to figure out clearly on earth in these bodies. Kind of why I usually call him "God," unless it's one of those moments when one aspect of the Godhead is being discussed. I know God is triune. I know the meaning of triune, but three of what in one of what I can't get.

 

[valiant]

I think the disciple were saved before they came to realise that Jesus was God. They knew that e was someone special in relationship to God and grew into that knowledge as they walked with Him, listened to Him and observed Him which was why He delayed the vital question until Caesarea Philippi. What they knew was that He was from God and was special.

It is my view that someone who has not been well taught might be spoken to by the Holy Spirit, and recognise that Jesus was 'something special' with regard to relationship with God and might respond to Him and be saved, this then leading to the deeper understanding of Who He is. (He may know that He is God in his heart but not immediately in his mind). If God is leading someone to Himself I don't think that He needs all the is and ts dotted and crossed immediately. But that must certainly be a consequence of the final process if it is of God.

It is not of course for me to tell God what to do. But His ways are not our ways. The Scripture is of course designed to then lead such a person into full truth once he has made his commitment. I would not place much confidence in someone's conversion if they were able to deny that He is God. But I can see that there might be an incubation period before people with little background might need time before the full truth dawns on them.