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Gr8grace

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Jesus Christ said, "it is finished." Before He physically died.

In John 19, John writes, "and Jesus knowing all things had been accomplished." This is before His physical death.





If His physical death paid the price for sins, how could Jesus say this if He was still physically alive?
 

valiant

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Jesus Christ said, "it is finished." Before He physically died.

In John 19, John writes, "and Jesus knowing all things had been accomplished." This is before His physical death.


If His physical death paid the price for sins, how could Jesus say this if He was still physically alive?
because He had completed living the perfect life in the will of God required for Him to be fit to be a sacrifice (Heb 10.1-10) and had got together a body of men to fulfil God's purposes.
 
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Gr8grace

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because He had completed living the perfect life in the will of God required for Him to be fit to be a sacrifice (Heb 10.1-10) and had got together a body of men to fulfil God's purposes.
So, when He said " it is finished." He basically meant," My perfect life is finished?"
 

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It is finished. Paid in full.
 
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Gr8grace

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It is finished. Paid in full.
But if it was His physical death that paid the price. How could it be paid in full if He was still alive at that time?
 

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He knew that he had healed all He came to heal, performed the miracles He was to perform and taught what He was sent to teach. His work while walking among people was done. The work done on EARTH.

Now on the cross He would finish what was necessary in the spiritual realm for our sins to be forgiven - that His blood would be shed, and presented to the Father as atonement for our sins.
 
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atwhatcost

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Jesus Christ said, "it is finished." Before He physically died.

In John 19, John writes, "and Jesus knowing all things had been accomplished." This is before His physical death.





If His physical death paid the price for sins, how could Jesus say this if He was still physically alive?
Mom had cancer and fought hard to live despite the doctors telling her there was no cure. Three days before she died, she had her mom (Gram) tell us (her kids) not to see her anymore because she wanted us to remember who she was, not what she looked like then. She knew it was finished.

Decades later, Gram went through a series of devastating health problems, the last, but not worse, was a major stroke. She was unconscious for three weeks, but she woke up for a short while and told her son not to do anything more to save her life. She knew it was finished.

Dad has dementia, so he can't think clearly. He can think though. A few weeks ago, he had that episode that said it's time to put him in a care center. Even when he wasn't clear on why, or what happens, (yet he knew some of what happened), he knows this is the end of life as he knows it, and it's only going to get worse after that. He will finish twice. He is finishing his memories/mind. His body will go after that. Even without his whole mind left, he knows he is finished.

Jesus was on a cross. His wrist ached up through his fingers and down into his chest from the pain of those nails fastening him onto the cross. Likewise, his ankles ached to his toes and up into his abdomen from the pain of holding him up, so he could take a breath. When my whole body aches, I twitch minor muscles to look for a tiny part of my body that doesn't hurt. It's usually a pinkie or toe-pinkie that doesn't hurt, but I dwell on that one small part that doesn't hurt. Jesus could not, because his pinkie and toe-pinkie and every muscle in his body ached with a pain I've never felt. Worse than that was the weight of every sin whosoever will believe he carried, more painful because he had never sinned. Worse than that, his Father could not look on him anymore, because he was no longer perfect. The one and only time in the eternity of the Godhead that the Godhead wasn't communing together. He who had never been alone was utterly alone.

You don't think he knew it was finished? Mom had mixed feelings about it being finished. She still had four kids and the youngest was only 5. Gram was more relieved, since she was in her 90's, lived through the death of two husbands, two children, and two siblings. Dad doesn't get his relief since he's not fully cognizant, but it he's not happy at all about what he's going through. Jesus would be back in communion with the Godhead soon, so it strikes me he had nothing but relief. I kind of imagine his "It is finished" was mostly joyful mixed in with a barge full of sin heaped on him.
 
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Worse than that, his Father could not look on him anymore, because he was no longer perfect. The one and only time in the eternity of the Godhead that the Godhead wasn't communing together. He who had never been alone was utterly alone.
Bingo. This is what paid the full price.

It is why He could say "it is finished." and yet still be physically alive.

Most believers don't understand that Jesus and His Perfect humanity died a substitutionary spiritual death for the payment of sins.

My God, My God, why have you forsaken me? It was the First and only time in all of eternity that the Son, did not have the FATHER. And the Son SCREAMED this and never opened His mouth through all the physical suffering.

Jesus and His substitutionary spiritual death on the cross, during the three hours of darkness, paid the full price for sins. It was not His physical death that paid the price.

 

Dan58

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It just means that his purpose was completed; "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do" (John 17:4). The job came to an end, he did what he came to do, and died.

Genesis 2:1.......... Physical creation finished
John 19:30........... Spiritual reconciliation finished
Revelation 21:6... Divine purpose done
 
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Bingo. This is what paid the full price.

It is why He could say "it is finished." and yet still be physically alive.

Most believers don't understand that Jesus and His Perfect humanity died a substitutionary spiritual death for the payment of sins.

My God, My God, why have you forsaken me? It was the First and only time in all of eternity that the Son, did not have the FATHER. And the Son SCREAMED this and never opened His mouth through all the physical suffering.

Jesus and His substitutionary spiritual death on the cross, during the three hours of darkness, paid the full price for sins. It was not His physical death that paid the price.

As someone who hates physical pain, but lives in chronic pain, it's hard for me to grasp the physical pain was the least of what Jesus experienced on that cross.
 

valiant

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So, when He said " it is finished." He basically meant," My perfect life is finished?"
I think that final cry included the fact the price of sin had been fully paid. He had ben dying throughout the day. Now He knew He was at His last breath. tetelestai was written across a bill to show that it had been paid. Thus by crying tetelestai He was saying 'the price has been paid', and He then consented to His death.
 
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Gr8grace

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As someone who hates physical pain, but lives in chronic pain, it's hard for me to grasp the physical pain was the least of what Jesus experienced on that cross.
Yeah, it something we will never know as believers. to think that the physical aspect of it(can't really think of anything worse than the cross) was not even comparable to being separated from His Father.

Our finite minds can't comprehend what Jesus Christ really saved us from.

Isa 53:11~~New American Standard Bible
As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, As He will bear their iniquities.
 
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DesiredHaven

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John 17:4
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Amen,

Who declares the end from the beginning (its is finished)
even as he himself is the beginning and the end

And the Lamb of God who cometh into the world (for the purpose of dying)

From everlasting unto everlasting even in that sense of things

He (to whom we come for that rest) finished the work

Says also,

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said,
As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest:
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,
whose names are not written in the book of life of
the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
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Jesus, as He Himself came right out and said, came "to destroy the work of the devil", not to pay for our sins. Us not having to pay the penalty for our sin was not the specific job He came to do... it was an added beneficial result for us.

What He did was to "become sin".... thus, when He died, sin also would have to die right along with Him, no longer being able to have any power over us..... because, sin would not be resurrected when He was. (Remember how he told us that when a man died, his wife was no longer subject to him?)

So, what He meant was, "It is done... Satan has been tricked into giving all sin to me, letting me now BE all the sin of the world.... thinking that by doing this I would REALLY be crushed for all time...... But, now that I AM sin, my job is finished, all sin will die with me, whether in a few seconds, or in a few hours."
 
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Jesus and His substitutionary spiritual death on the cross, during the three hours of darkness, paid the full price for sins. It was not His physical death that paid the price.

Not true, for the wage of sin is death. It was necessary for Him to die physically and also be raised up again physically.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Colossians 1:21-22
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
[SUP]22 [/SUP]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:


Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

1 Corinthians 15:17
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
 
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Jesus Christ said, "it is finished." Before He physically died.

In John 19, John writes, "and Jesus knowing all things had been accomplished." This is before His physical death.





If His physical death paid the price for sins, how could Jesus say this if He was still physically alive?
I believe that at the moment Jesus uttered, "It is finished!" He declared to the Father and to all within hearing that that was the point at which all sin and all diseases and curses and death and condemnation had been fully laid on Him. It was done. He then was free to give up His spirit, which He did immediately thereafter.
 
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Gr8grace

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Not true, for the wage of sin is death. It was necessary for Him to die physically and also be raised up again physically.
Food for thought. the wage of sin is death. Is this physical death or spiritual death? If it is physical death, then why the need for hell and the Lake of fire after unbelievers physically die? Their physical death should be payment enough.

Jesus(humanity) physically died, so we could have a physical(body) resurrection.

The anguish of His soul and being forsaken of the Father paid the price for sin.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Colossians 1:21-22
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
[SUP]22 [/SUP]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:


Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

1 Corinthians 15:17
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.[/QUOTE]
 
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Jesus, as He Himself came right out and said, came "to destroy the work of the devil", not to pay for our sins. Us not having to pay the penalty for our sin was not the specific job He came to do... it was an added beneficial result for us.

What He did was to "become sin".... thus, when He died, sin also would have to die right along with Him, no longer being able to have any power over us..... because, sin would not be resurrected when He was. (Remember how he told us that when a man died, his wife was no longer subject to him?)

So, what He meant was, "It is done... Satan has been tricked into giving all sin to me, letting me now BE all the sin of the world.... thinking that by doing this I would REALLY be crushed for all time...... But, now that I AM sin, my job is finished, all sin will die with me, whether in a few seconds, or in a few hours."
The priority of Jesus was to glorify his Father. There are countless benefits to us through Him for this. And He did countless works for us and this world through His glorifying His Father.