Do you throw out parts of the bible?

[charisenexcelcis]

Originally Posted by Nuhen

Historically, James and Paul frequently had disagreements and didn't like the other. Their writings reflect this.

I think you should read the book of Acts. There is no "historic disagreement". You constantly disavow that you are a rabble rouser, yet you constantly make these kinds of statements. You are like a child constantly testing the boundaries....

[charisenexcelcis]

Originally Posted by Nuhen

I don't care how "late" they are or whether or not I have support from the church. All I know is that either Paul's writings are Scripture or Yeshua's words are Scripture, because the two contradict.

Not only that, but man's opinion will NEVER be held as Scripture, and numerous places in his writings Paul clarifies they are NOT from G-d but are his own opinions.

Your contradictions are only according to your eclectic manner of interpreting. You know no Greek, no church history, and little scripture. You are neither a Christian or a Jew, but think that you speak authoritatively for both.

[HumbleSaint]

Originally Posted by Nuhen

How do you even know G-d wants us to have a canon? Yeshua's disciple John said there were other writings with the teachings of Yeshua. Are the teachings of Yeshua ALL important, or just the ones in canon?

Furthermore, the book of Jude is just a string of quotes from Enoch, and Jude even calls Enoch a prophet - so clearly Scripture identifies Enoch as a prophet, why are his writings not canonized?

I think the Catholics use the book of Enoch and thats all the reason more for me not to use it because if you look up Revelation 17, it is pretty clear to me that the Roman Catholic Church is the great whore mother of harlets. Now in Jude he did make mention of Enoch prophesying, but whose to say that the book of Enoch is enochs acctualy writting or something that the devil tryied to conterfeit. I think that there is a reason God didn't allow it to be put in the Bible. Like I said I believe God is bigger than that and I believe He has the power to keep His Word from being corrupted. And I don't think we have to go around trying to figure what is inspired and what is not.. what kind of confusion would that be. the Bible says that God is not the author of confusion. I believe that is just another theroy to discreat God's precious Word, to give people an excuse to sin.

[charisenexcelcis]

Originally Posted by Nuhen

How do you even know G-d wants us to have a canon? Yeshua's disciple John said there were other writings with the teachings of Yeshua. Are the teachings of Yeshua ALL important, or just the ones in canon?

Furthermore, the book of Jude is just a string of quotes from Enoch, and Jude even calls Enoch a prophet - so clearly Scripture identifies Enoch as a prophet, why are his writings not canonized?

Canon means a measuring stick. You yourself are using such a measuring stick for what books you accept and what you don't, so I assume that question is rhetorical. You have either not read Jude (which draws much more from Peter than from Enoch) or you haven't read Enoch.

[Jordan9]

Originally Posted by HumbleSaint

I think the Catholics use the book of Enoch and thats all the reason more for me not to use it because if you look up Revelation 17, it is pretty clear to me that the Roman Catholic Church is the great whore mother of harlets. Now in Jude he did make mention of Enoch prophesying, but whose to say that the book of Enoch is enochs acctualy writting or something that the devil tryied to conterfeit. I think that there is a reason God didn't allow it to be put in the Bible. Like I said I believe God is bigger than that and I believe He has the power to keep His Word from being corrupted. And I don't think we have to go around trying to figure what is inspired and what is not.. what kind of confusion would that be. the Bible says that God is not the author of confusion. I believe that is just another theroy to discreat God's precious Word, to give people an excuse to sin.

You think wrong, the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church doesn't accept the Book of Enoch Sacred Scripture. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church (not in communion with Rome) does though

[Nuhen]

Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis

You constantly disavow that you are a rabble rouser, yet you constantly make these kinds of statements. You are like a child constantly testing the boundaries....

So, I take this to mean I'm not allowed to disagree or have my own viewpoint?

[charisenexcelcis]

Originally Posted by Nuhen

So, I take this to mean I'm not allowed to disagree or have my own viewpoint?

It's not your point of view that bothers me. (Look around. We have Cup and Paulnsilas and Mahogeny and so forth.)

[Nuhen]

Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis

It's not your point of view that bothers me. (Look around. We have Cup and Paulnsilas and Mahogeny and so forth.)

Heh. You make a compelling point with Cup :P

[MahogonySnail]

Most bible scholars believe Paul and James were at odds as Nuhan has been saying.

[MahogonySnail]

But Paul's writings are weighter since he was an apostle, but James was not. We can appreciate that if even the apostles like Peter were not understanding God's grace towards gentiles, to be corrected by Paul, how much easier for a mere disciple like James?

[Nuhen]

Originally Posted by MahogonySnail

But Paul's writings are weighter since he was an apostle, but James was not. We can appreciate that if even the apostles like Peter were not understanding God's grace towards gentiles, to be corrected by Paul, how much easier for a mere disciple like James?

Shouldn't all Scripture be weighted equally?

And if James' canonical writings contradict Paul's canonical writings, that implies that G-d's Word is flawed.

[MahogonySnail]

Scripture is not weighted equally, the prophets and psalms outweigh others for example. The bible is a collection of books. In a collection you get some good some not as good.

[Nuhen]

I disagree with that. G-d's Word is G-d's Word, and it is all just as important as the rest. G-d doesn't make things "not so good".

[HumbleSaint]

well this has been an interesting discussion but I'm going to hit the sack ist 2:00 am were I'm at and you guys have a different time schedule. I will remember you in my prayers though. I can't help but get concerned when you question God's Holy Word. I think it is all important and sacred. And I still haven't figured out why nuhen is leaving the "o" out of God.

[MahogonySnail]

That's so that God doesn't find out he's saying his name.

[MahogonySnail]

I disagree with that. G-d's Word is G-d's Word, and it is all just as important as the rest. G-d doesn't make things "not so good".

Job and Ecclesiastes , not as good as Ezekial or Jeremiah. The others that we can't spell aren't called "minor prophets" because of their singing key.

Hey, who am I talking to ? You're the guy that ignores 3/4 of the new testament anyway. What I'm saying is something that most Christians can't even comprehend.

[Stuey]

Originally Posted by MahogonySnail

It's ironic that James and Revelation are probably the two least used books of the bible. James because it sort of argues against "saved by faith alone", and Revelation because it's too hard to understand and contains threats of having ones name taken out of the book of life, which doesn't sit well with those who think they are always saved, they can't hack any concepts of them possibly losing something they think they have.

I think your right on this one.

I think I'd also suggest that where you think the books contradict is simply a lack of understanding on your part. For example the we are saved by faith so works are meaningless kind of message you get from some churches perhaps? They are inseperable, James makes this quite clear.

If you guys think a particular part contradicts post it up. Someone who knows their bible well like snail or greatkraw should be able to explain it.

[charisenexcelcis]

Originally Posted by Stuey

I think your right on this one.

I think I'd also suggest that where you think the books contradict is simply a lack of understanding on your part. For example the we are saved by faith so works are meaningless kind of message you get from some churches perhaps? They are inseperable, James makes this quite clear.

If you guys think a particular part contradicts post it up. Someone who knows their bible well like snail or greatkraw should be able to explain it.

Paul makes it clear also. "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Eph 2:10

[Nuhen]

Originally Posted by MahogonySnail

Job and Ecclesiastes , not as good as Ezekial or Jeremiah. The others that we can't spell aren't called "minor prophets" because of their singing key.

Hey, who am I talking to ? You're the guy that ignores 3/4 of the new testament anyway. What I'm saying is something that most Christians can't even comprehend.

They are called minor prophets by men, not by G-d. And anyway, they are "minor" prophets because their writings are much shorter than those of the "major" prophets. As to Job/Ecclesiastes vs. Ezekiel/Jeremiah, that's personal opinion and has no affect on the Word.

And the irony about you constantly pointing out the fact that I reject 3/4 of the NT as inspired (I do NOT ignore it, I've said a thousand times that Paul's writings have good lessons to learn from, I just reject them as Scripture) is that you ignore 3/4 (it's actually a lot larger than that, I just don't know the exact ratio) of the entire BIBLE. I just don't believe 3/4 of 1/4 (emphasis) of the bible is inspired.

[aspen]

Originally Posted by HumbleSaint

I think the Catholics use the book of Enoch and thats all the reason more for me not to use it because if you look up Revelation 17, it is pretty clear to me that the Roman Catholic Church is the great whore mother of harlets. Now in Jude he did make mention of Enoch prophesying, but whose to say that the book of Enoch is enochs acctualy writting or something that the devil tryied to conterfeit. I think that there is a reason God didn't allow it to be put in the Bible. Like I said I believe God is bigger than that and I believe He has the power to keep His Word from being corrupted. And I don't think we have to go around trying to figure what is inspired and what is not.. what kind of confusion would that be. the Bible says that God is not the author of confusion. I believe that is just another theroy to discreat God's precious Word, to give people an excuse to sin.

The Catholics do not use the Book of Enoch. You are going to have to find some other reason not to read it, besides the Harlot

....good grief