where does it say in bible Jesus said hes God???
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sometimes, it's what the BIBLE doesn't say that can be important. For instance, there is NO actual wording that says "GOD helps those who help themselves"....but people ascribe this to the BIBLE...and it is not BIBLICAL at all....
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Infant baptism is NOT mentioned at all....the BIBLE only mentions male babies being circumsized...it is a catholic Dark Ages ritual.
"Money or having lots of money is evil"...the BIBLE says "The LOVE of money is evil...
JESUS says "I Go to prepare a place for YOU..that where I go, there YE may be with ME also"..the BIBLE does NOT say "YOU can bring your dead pets with you to heaven for I will build pens, coops, and zoos to house them in", although many CHRISTIANS actually believe their pets have souls.
The bible does not say that Peter was the 1st Pope. JESUS told Peter (who's name is Cephas, meaning 'stone') "UPON this ROCK, I will build my church" as a response to when Peter answered "THOU art the CHRIST.
The Bible does not say to sprinkle, baptize, dunk or christen animals....although several local churches in my community does it yearly.
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Infant baptism is NOT mentioned at all....the BIBLE only mentions male babies being circumsized...it is a catholic Dark Ages ritual.
"Money or having lots of money is evil"...the BIBLE says "The LOVE of money is evil...
JESUS says "I Go to prepare a place for YOU..that where I go, there YE may be with ME also"..the BIBLE does NOT say "YOU can bring your dead pets with you to heaven for I will build pens, coops, and zoos to house them in", although many CHRISTIANS actually believe their pets have souls.
The bible does not say that Peter was the 1st Pope. JESUS told Peter (who's name is Cephas, meaning 'stone') "UPON this ROCK, I will build my church" as a response to when Peter answered "THOU art the CHRIST.
The Bible does not say to sprinkle, baptize, dunk or christen animals....although several local churches in my community does it yearly.
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Hi Ahmed,
I am willing to discuss this at length with you if you want. Just email me through CC.
Compare these two verses:
Exodus 3:13-14 then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, the God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?”God said to Moses, “I AM has sent me to you.’
John 8:56-58 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”.Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
In the first set of verses in Exodus, God identified himself as the "I AM". This is the self-existent One. The one who did not have a cause and is not dependent upon anyone else for being.
In the second set of verses in John, Jesus Christ identified himself as "I AM".
In addition, Jesus proclaimed his absolute unity with God in these verses:
John 10:29-30 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.I and the Father are One.
There are many other verses that prove Jesus is God. However, they may not meet your criteria of truth if you are Muslim. Usually they require that Jesus himself uttered the words. You must realize that we don't play by Muslim rules, though. I am assuming you are Muslim due to your location which may not be true.
Here are more verses:
John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.For by him all things were created in heaven and the earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities – all things were created through him and for him.And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Matt 1:23 Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name “Immanuel” (which means, God with us).
John 1:1-3In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.He was in the beginning with God.All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.
Colossians 3:1 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God
John 20:26-28 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them.Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.”.Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.”.Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”.
Acts 20:28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Romans 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Philippians 2:5-6Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours inChrist Jesus, who though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
Colossians 1:15-17He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.For by him all things were created, in heaven and in earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities – all things were created through him and for him.And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Colossians 2:8-9 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.For in him the whole fullness of the deity dwells bodily
I Timothy 3:16 Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness:He was manifest in the flesh, indicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed amongst the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
Titus 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son he says, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.
II Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
I John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his son Jesus Christ.He is the true God and eternal life.
I am willing to discuss this at length with you if you want. Just email me through CC.
Compare these two verses:
Exodus 3:13-14 then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, the God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?”God said to Moses, “I AM has sent me to you.’
John 8:56-58 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”.Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
In the first set of verses in Exodus, God identified himself as the "I AM". This is the self-existent One. The one who did not have a cause and is not dependent upon anyone else for being.
In the second set of verses in John, Jesus Christ identified himself as "I AM".
In addition, Jesus proclaimed his absolute unity with God in these verses:
John 10:29-30 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.I and the Father are One.
There are many other verses that prove Jesus is God. However, they may not meet your criteria of truth if you are Muslim. Usually they require that Jesus himself uttered the words. You must realize that we don't play by Muslim rules, though. I am assuming you are Muslim due to your location which may not be true.
Here are more verses:
John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.For by him all things were created in heaven and the earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities – all things were created through him and for him.And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Matt 1:23 Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name “Immanuel” (which means, God with us).
John 1:1-3In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.He was in the beginning with God.All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.
Colossians 3:1 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God
John 20:26-28 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them.Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.”.Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.”.Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”.
Acts 20:28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Romans 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Philippians 2:5-6Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours inChrist Jesus, who though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
Colossians 1:15-17He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.For by him all things were created, in heaven and in earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities – all things were created through him and for him.And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Colossians 2:8-9 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.For in him the whole fullness of the deity dwells bodily
I Timothy 3:16 Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness:He was manifest in the flesh, indicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed amongst the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
Titus 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son he says, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.
II Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
I John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his son Jesus Christ.He is the true God and eternal life.
S
Hi Ahmed,
An additional point is that the title Son of God does not negate the deity of Christ.
Here is a quote taken from a communication by Grace to You that explains the cultural context of the title:
The title "Son of God" when applied to Christ in Scripture always speaks of His essential deity and absolute equality with God, not His voluntary subordination. The Jewish leaders of Jesus' time understood this perfectly. John 5:18 says they sought the death penalty against Jesus, charging Him with blasphemy "because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."
In that culture, a dignitary's adult son was deemed equal in stature and privilege with his father. The same deference demanded by a king was afforded to his adult son. The son was, after all, of the very same essence as his father, heir to all the father's rights and privileges--and therefore equal in every significant regard. So when Jesus was called "Son of God," it was understood categorically by all as a title of deity, making Him equal with God and (more significantly) of the same essence as the Father. That is precisely why the Jewish leaders regarded the title "Son of God" as high blasphemy.
If Jesus' sonship signifies His deity and utter equality with the Father, it cannot be a title that pertains only to His incarnation. In fact, the main gist of what is meant by "sonship" (and certainly this would include Jesus' divine essence) must pertain to the eternal attributes of Christ, not merely the humanity He assumed.
An additional point is that the title Son of God does not negate the deity of Christ.
Here is a quote taken from a communication by Grace to You that explains the cultural context of the title:
The title "Son of God" when applied to Christ in Scripture always speaks of His essential deity and absolute equality with God, not His voluntary subordination. The Jewish leaders of Jesus' time understood this perfectly. John 5:18 says they sought the death penalty against Jesus, charging Him with blasphemy "because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."
In that culture, a dignitary's adult son was deemed equal in stature and privilege with his father. The same deference demanded by a king was afforded to his adult son. The son was, after all, of the very same essence as his father, heir to all the father's rights and privileges--and therefore equal in every significant regard. So when Jesus was called "Son of God," it was understood categorically by all as a title of deity, making Him equal with God and (more significantly) of the same essence as the Father. That is precisely why the Jewish leaders regarded the title "Son of God" as high blasphemy.
If Jesus' sonship signifies His deity and utter equality with the Father, it cannot be a title that pertains only to His incarnation. In fact, the main gist of what is meant by "sonship" (and certainly this would include Jesus' divine essence) must pertain to the eternal attributes of Christ, not merely the humanity He assumed.
Jesus didn't need to say it. It was a forgone conclusion according to the truth of prophecy for those that knew the scriptures, or thought they did. Jesus' actions and teachings prove it, along with where He was born, and on and on. Here is scripture that indicates that scripture wasn't as well understood then as many thought they did.
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?" John 3:10
Same for today.
John 5:44-47
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?" John 3:10
Same for today.
John 5:44-47
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
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The word Trinity is not found in the Bible. The concept certainly is, though.
The concept reconciles five different truths taught in Scripture:
1. God is One
2. God the Father is God
3. Jesus Christ is God
4. The Holy Spirit is God
5. These Three are distinct Persons
The only way all of these individual truths can be resolved is through the Trinity doctrine, call it whatever you want to. Triune nature of God, Godhead or whatever.
By the way the word "Tawhid" is not found in the Quran either
Here's a good article on the Trinity:
200 Words: Why We Believe in the Trinity | The Cripplegate
Here's a good article on the Deity of Christ:
200 Words: The Deity of Christ | The Cripplegate
Here's an even better pdf book on the Deity of Christ if you REALLY want to understand it in depth:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/jmm.us/Books-Downloadable/Jesus+-+A+Biblical+Defense+of+His+Deity.pdf
The book Forgotten Trinity by James White is probably the best book on the Trinity.
The concept reconciles five different truths taught in Scripture:
1. God is One
2. God the Father is God
3. Jesus Christ is God
4. The Holy Spirit is God
5. These Three are distinct Persons
The only way all of these individual truths can be resolved is through the Trinity doctrine, call it whatever you want to. Triune nature of God, Godhead or whatever.
By the way the word "Tawhid" is not found in the Quran either
Here's a good article on the Trinity:
200 Words: Why We Believe in the Trinity | The Cripplegate
Here's a good article on the Deity of Christ:
200 Words: The Deity of Christ | The Cripplegate
Here's an even better pdf book on the Deity of Christ if you REALLY want to understand it in depth:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/jmm.us/Books-Downloadable/Jesus+-+A+Biblical+Defense+of+His+Deity.pdf
The book Forgotten Trinity by James White is probably the best book on the Trinity.
As far as the Son of God goes...
Joh_9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
Joh_10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Joh_11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
Joh_9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
Joh_10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Joh_11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
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The Father judgeth no man but has committed all judgment unto the SON...In Revelation...I saw the dead stand before God and the books were opened and the dead judged out of those things written in the books.....
If the Father judges NO MAN, but has committed ALL judgment unto the SON then the ones being JUDGED by GOD are being judged by the SON which is JESUS.....HE IS GOD!
If the Father judges NO MAN, but has committed ALL judgment unto the SON then the ones being JUDGED by GOD are being judged by the SON which is JESUS.....HE IS GOD!
John 8:54-58
[SUP]54 [/SUP]Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
[SUP]55 [/SUP]Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[SUP]57 [/SUP]Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Exodus 3:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
[SUP]55 [/SUP]Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[SUP]57 [/SUP]Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Exodus 3:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
John 14:6 - 11
Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.
If you had known me, you would have known my Father also, and from now on you do know him, and have seen him.
Philip said to him, Lord, show us the Father, and it will be sufficient for us.
Jesus said to him, Have I been with you for such a long time and yet you have not known me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How then do you say, Show us the Father?
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak to you I do not speak myself. But the Father who dwells in me, he does the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.
If you had known me, you would have known my Father also, and from now on you do know him, and have seen him.
Philip said to him, Lord, show us the Father, and it will be sufficient for us.
Jesus said to him, Have I been with you for such a long time and yet you have not known me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How then do you say, Show us the Father?
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak to you I do not speak myself. But the Father who dwells in me, he does the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
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pwrnJC: The bible does not say that Peter was the 1st Pope. JESUS told Peter (who's name is Cephas, meaning 'stone') "UPON this ROCK, I will build my church" as a response to when Peter answered "THOU art the CHRIST.
I truly wish every believer understood this statement. It would ease a lot of discord methinks.
I truly wish every believer understood this statement. It would ease a lot of discord methinks.
R
Yes in John 10: 30 "I and the Father are one" In that verse, the I, Is Jesus. So yes Jesus and the father are one.
And 1 John 5: 7. " For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one "
don't say the word Trinity, but the meaning of it is there in that verse.
And 1 John 5: 7. " For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one "
don't say the word Trinity, but the meaning of it is there in that verse.
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