The beast of revelation, today's republic kingdom, which rules the world.

[MikkoAinasoja]

8. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, they whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come. (Revelation 17:8)

In the time when this revelation was given to our dear brother John, the Rome was empire, and it was about to come to republic, again.

The Rome was republic in years 509 - 27 B.C and it comes to empire after that, until when it again start to turn to republic, in a time of when the emperor Claudius was murdered in year 54 A.D.

1. And a great sign was seen in heaven: a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars; 2. and she was the child; and she crieth out, travailing in birth, and in pain to be delivered. 3. And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his heads seven diadems. 4. And his tail draweth the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon standeth before the woman that is about to be delivered, that when she is delivered he may devour her child. 5. And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne. 6 (Revelation 12:1-5)

17. And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus: (Revelation 12:17)


1. and he stood upon the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns, and seven heads, and on his horns ten diadems, and upon his heads names of blasphemy. 2. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his throne, and great authority. 3. And I saw one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast; 4. and they worshipped the dragon, because he gave his authority unto the beast; and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? And who is able to war with him? (Revelation 13:1-4)

And about in those time's of the world, the Roman empire start to turn to republic again, which it was been before, and like we know today, that the whole world is given in the hand of this republic, which born in the Rome.

So I believe that the beast is the republic kingdom what we see today.

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

And the second beast which have the horns like the Lamb, but which speaks like the Dragon, is today's Christianic world power, which have born when the Catholic church join in the Rome, and the result was a beast which have a horns like the Lamb do, but which speaks like the Dragon.

11. And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12. And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed. (Revelation 13:11-12)

And today the christianic world what we see, is representing that second beast, and not real christianity, even though it have's the horns like the Lamb; the Father and the Son, but it still speaks like the Dragon.

 

[mwc68]

Awesome!!!! Another Catholic bashhing thread. You people love to bash the Catholics. Must be all you are taught!!

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

Awesome!!!! Another Catholic bashhing thread. You people love to bash the Catholics. Must be all you are taught!!

It is not about just Catholic, but the whole christianity culture of today, but it may start in the Catholic sect, in early years, when the church fuse to the Rome.

 

[mwc68]

It is not about just Catholic, but the whole christianity culture of today, but it may start in the Catholic sect, in early years, when the church fuse to the Rome.

I doubt that very seriously, but continue with the hate! You all have forgotten Jesus commandment

 

[kennethcadwell]

The first beast in Revelation is not the revised Roman empire as has been taught, for it that be the case then when Daniel described this beast he would not have said it is different then the other beasts that came before it. The Roman empire was one of those beasts that come before this beast.

The bible shows this beast is a mixture of clay with iron.
Meaning it will have some connection to the old Roman empire, but will be mixed with another. Here in the world today we have the Muslim Islamic extremists that all the middle east harlot terrorist groups come out of.

Turkey and Greece were part of the original Roman empire, and is listed in the OT prophecies of 2 of the 10 areas that will be of this system. Revelation 2:13 and 13:2 also show that satans seat/throne is located in Turkey, and the man of sin (1st beast) will be given this seat/throne. By these two scriptures alone we can see where the man of sin will arise, and it is not Rome or the Vatican.

Here are the other places listed with Greece and Turkey in the OT end times prophecies; Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Ethiopia, Sudan, and Jordan. Lebanon is also listed, but is pretty much stated in the same line with Syria.


Notice how all of them either have all Muslim, or majority Muslim populations.
When the bible uses the words, all nations, it does not always refer to the whole entire world..........
If the Catholic church fits in the end times prophecies it is only in the place of the false prophet, and apostate teachings. For the Catholic pope has called more than once in the past 3 years for Muslims and Christians to worship together, and even had worship services in the church to do such.

He even made the statement that Muslims worship the same God as we do, however scripture denies that teaching.
For it says if you deny the son you also deny the Father, and they do not recognize Jesus as Lord and Savior. To them He was just a great prophet or teacher......

 

[mwc68]

The first beast in Revelation is not the revised Roman empire as has been taught, for it that be the case then when Daniel described this beast he would not have said it is different then the other beasts that came before it. The Roman empire was one of those beasts that come before this beast.

The bible shows this beast is a mixture of clay with iron.
Meaning it will have some connection to the old Roman empire, but will be mixed with another. Here in the world today we have the Muslim Islamic extremists that all the middle east harlot terrorist groups come out of.

Turkey and Greece were part of the original Roman empire, and is listed in the OT prophecies of 2 of the 10 areas that will be of this system. Revelation 2:13 and 13:2 also show that satans seat/throne is located in Turkey, and the man of sin (1st beast) will be given this seat/throne. By these two scriptures alone we can see where the man of sin will arise, and it is not Rome or the Vatican.

Here are the other places listed with Greece and Turkey in the OT end times prophecies; Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Ethiopia, Sudan, and Jordan. Lebanon is also listed, but is pretty much stated in the same line with Syria.


Notice how all of them either have all Muslim, or majority Muslim populations.
When the bible uses the words, all nations, it does not always refer to the whole entire world..........
If the Catholic church fits in the end times prophecies it is only in the place of the false prophet, and apostate teachings. For the Catholic pope has called more than once in the past 3 years for Muslims and Christians to worship together, and even had worship services in the church to do such.

He even made the statement that Muslims worship the same God as we do, however scripture denies that teaching.
For it says if you deny the son you also deny the Father, and they do not recognize Jesus as Lord and Savior. To them He was just a great prophet or teacher......

Unbelievable !

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

I doubt that very seriously, but continue with the hate! You all have forgotten Jesus commandment

The commandment is to love the other in truth.

 

[Willie-T]

I think we try to complicate the simple too much. The Beast seems to have always been the "Empire-focused" rule built and controlled by man........ as it still is today..... and will continue to be forever.

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

I doubt that very seriously, but continue with the hate! You all have forgotten Jesus commandment

Do you think that my love I better if I do not tell what I know?

I say that too many sit today silent, and just watch the all wrongness which we live today.

 

[mwc68]

The commandment is to love the other in truth.

I could have sworn it was love your neighor as you love yourself.

 

[atwhatcost]

Yippee! America is safe because we have a democrat kingdom! lol

(I can't help but laugh at people who like to bring in politics, but don't notice their particular country isn't the whole of the world, nor does the whole of the world tell God what to do when. lol)

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

I think we try to complicate the simple too much. The Beast seems to have always been the "Empire-focused" rule built and controlled by man........ as it still is today..... and will continue to be forever.

The man do not control the beast, but the beast is a kingdom, and it has written what will happen, to that kingdom.

And sure a many man ruler fit in the time period of that kingdom, but the path was there and sealed before those man.

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

I could have sworn it was love your neighor as you love yourself.

It is the truth what you can not handle anymore.

This time period was predicted to came, the apostasy, where we are today, and this all has start a long time ago, and you find it if you study the Scriptures, but because of the temptations of this present world, the heart of the man is somewhere else, than in the seeking of God's will and truth.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Unbelievable !

Well anybody who does a prophecy study in the bible need to pull all the OT prophecies and the NT prophecies together.
When you do that you will get a better picture as you need all of them for the full truth, and Revelation states they will were his mark on their forehead and right arm.............

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

There are 2 bodies, the Body of the Lamb with 7 horns and the Body of the Beast with 7 heads.

One Spirit empowers the Body of Christ which is global and made up of many members. And also one spirit empowers the Beast, which is global and made up of many members. The Lambs worshippers are born of God's Spirit, and are spirit. The Beasts worshippers are of the spirit of this world, Prince of this world, and are flesh. (Spirit vs. flesh)

Here's an old post I made awhile back which might help others to understand the Big picture.

What I want to show in this thread is that the Beast and the Harlot in the book of Revelation is united, and not only united by one spirit, but they both speak of many people, not just a single geographic location, or city, or even individual man yet to come in the future. The best way to show this is by looking at the opposite reflection of the True, which is the Church (Bride of the Lamb), and the Lamb, or Christ.( Body of Christ)

It is written in 1 Corinthians 12:27 “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.” Here we see Paul refers to the Church as the Body of Christ, and there is a reason for this. We read in Ephesians 5:30-32[SUP] “[/SUP]For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.[SUP]31 [/SUP]For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.[SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.”

And again in 1 Corinthians 12:12-14 “For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the body is not one member, but many.”

So if can grasp this, how One Spirit unites both the Church and the Lamb into one body, and is made up of many members gathered over the ages, then so also is the scarlet Beast and the Harlot united by one spirit, and also made up of many members.

1 Corinthians 6:16 “What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.”

And if the Bride of the Lamb is shown as the New heavenly Jerusalem and holy city, which is made up of many living stones, then you will also understand that the earthly Jerusalem (Harlot/ false tabernacle) is also made up of many dead stones, or many spiritually dead people; not some a brick and mortar city with a zip code.

Remember, the Holy Ghost teaches us to compare spiritual things with spiritual.

Daniel 7:11“I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.”

 

[dcontroversal]

I think we try to complicate the simple too much. The Beast seems to have always been the "Empire-focused" rule built and controlled by man........ as it still is today..... and will continue to be forever.

Until Jesus seizes control of all earthly kingdoms at the 7th trump of Revelation as LORD......and puts down all authority and rule with a rod of iron....

 

[mwc68]

Well anybody who does a prophecy study in the bible need to pull all the OT prophecies and the NT prophecies together.
When you do that you will get a better picture as you need all of them for the full truth, and Revelation states they will were his mark on their forehead and right arm.............

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Oh really? I have a Metallica beanie! Did Metallica mark me?

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

Well anybody who does a prophecy study in the bible need to pull all the OT prophecies and the NT prophecies together.
When you do that you will get a better picture as you need all of them for the full truth, and Revelation states they will were his mark on their forehead and right arm.............

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The wearing of mark of the beast, is to worship the beast, like the Bible also tell us.

14. And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by reason of the signs which it was given him to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast who hath the stroke of the sword and lived. 15. And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16. And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; 17. and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18. Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six. (Revelation 13:14-18)

And I would say, that is you worship this present world, you have the mark of the beast in you.

And I believe that It is not about actually killing, about those who do not worship the Image, but more like abolish, and if we look it like that, then we may see that we already live in that time.

It is about figurative death, if you do not worship this present society.

Below is a link where you may go and study more about that writing.

Revelation 13:15 Interlinear: and there was given to it to give a spirit to the image of the beast, that also the image of the beast may speak, and that it may cause as many as shall not bow before the image of the beast, that they may be killed.