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Want to clue me in on a title of such a thread then? Obviously, I've seen people assume this on threads, but I have no idea who is teaching this stuff. I'm not asking for a repeat of the topic, I'm asking who teaches it? Seems like it might even be more than one church/denom/nondenom.
And, hold on a minute. How have you seen it repeated and I've missed it all together? I just noticed. You've only been on her one month longer than I have. lol
And, hold on a minute. How have you seen it repeated and I've missed it all together? I just noticed. You've only been on her one month longer than I have. lol
Actually there 613 Laws in the Old Covenant and not just the famous 10. However, when Jesus Christ died upon the cross, He instituted the New Covenant with his death and the Old Covenant Law had vanished away (and it became no longer binding). Believers now follow the Commands in the New Testament (Given to us by Jesus Christ and his apostles). There are 1,050 + New Testament Commands.
https://www.cai.org/bible-studies/1050-new-testament-commands
9 out of the 10 Commandments from the Old Covenant have been repeated in the New Covenant. The only Command that has not been repeated as being binding is the Sabbath Command.
There are many Christian groups that hold to this view; And it is a sound and Biblical teaching.
GCI.org (Grace Community International) is one of them.
https://www.gci.org/law/lawmoses
As for those groups who completely deny all of the 10 Commandments and or any kind of moral law, well... this would be Antinomian type groups.
You can learn more about that here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinomianism
https://www.cai.org/bible-studies/1050-new-testament-commands
9 out of the 10 Commandments from the Old Covenant have been repeated in the New Covenant. The only Command that has not been repeated as being binding is the Sabbath Command.
There are many Christian groups that hold to this view; And it is a sound and Biblical teaching.
GCI.org (Grace Community International) is one of them.
https://www.gci.org/law/lawmoses
As for those groups who completely deny all of the 10 Commandments and or any kind of moral law, well... this would be Antinomian type groups.
You can learn more about that here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinomianism
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The Sabbath command is the one I see as binding. Of course it is the command to rest in Christ and His Work.
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, "As I swore in my wrath, 'They shall not enter my rest,'" although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works." And again in this passage he said, "They shall not enter my rest." Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
(Heb 4:1-11)
Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, "As I swore in my wrath, 'They shall not enter my rest,'" although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works." And again in this passage he said, "They shall not enter my rest." Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, "Today," saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
(Heb 4:1-11)
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Now we're getting some where. Okay, antinomianism (why can't they make these words five letters or less, or, at least easier to spell? lol) is the insult word. Who are these people? They've got to have names for themselves? I don't recognize them.
(I also think a lot of people think one of the Ten Commandments is dietary law, so whoever they are, no one ever made them memorize them. lol)
(I also think a lot of people think one of the Ten Commandments is dietary law, so whoever they are, no one ever made them memorize them. lol)
I have ran into some Antinomians at Theology Online. I also talked with an Antinomian in person, too. The one who claimed they can do any kind of sin they want and still be saved was also a Mid Acts Dispensationalist (MAD). MAD proponents believe that the Bible teaches there is 2 or more gospels. The other Antinomian was just kind of all around hateful towards me that I didn't understand much of what they said (Except that they really hated me alot).
Antinomianism can also be applied in a lesser form for people who think they can sin even a little (And still be saved), too. It exists here, too (But it is more carefully concealed). Folks here say they strive to live holy lives, but if they do happen to sin, they are saved. For whether one sins a little or a lot, it makes no difference. One serious sin can separate a person from God if they do not confess and forsake that sin.
Antinomianism can also be applied in a lesser form for people who think they can sin even a little (And still be saved), too. It exists here, too (But it is more carefully concealed). Folks here say they strive to live holy lives, but if they do happen to sin, they are saved. For whether one sins a little or a lot, it makes no difference. One serious sin can separate a person from God if they do not confess and forsake that sin.
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Strictly speaking we are not bound by the ten commandments. Exodus 20.1 ff is in the form of a late 2nd millennium BC suzerainty treaty made between a suzerain lord and his people, in this case YHWH and Israel.
Having declared his name (I am YHWH your God) he then proceeds to outline what he has done for his people (who redeemed you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage).
He then asserts his supreme authority ('you shall have no other gods before me'). And follows this up with details of what he requires of his people (the remainder of the ten commands).
As most of us were not redeemed from Egypt this is not therefore strictly speaking binding on us.
However what is binding on us is the sermon on the mount, the remainder of the teaching of Jesus and the ethics revealed in the New Testament, for we have been redeemed by Jesus Christ out of the hands of sin and Satan (I am speaking to true Christians).
But the fact that we have been redeemed also puts us in the clear before God. The One Who redeemed us made us accounted as righteous from ALL sin past, present and future (Rom 3.24-29), sanctified us (1 Cor 1.2; 11.6) and has covered us with His own righteousness (2 Cor 5.21; 1 Cor 1.30), perfecting us for ever (Heb 10.14).
And having redeemed us and 'saved' us, He is now at work within us bringing that salvation to completion (Phil 2.13; Eph 2.10), a work which He has guaranteed for us (1 Cor 1.8-9; Phil 2.6).
Some struggle on trying to cling on to Jesus coat tails. We who are His rest in His arms eternally secure.
Having declared his name (I am YHWH your God) he then proceeds to outline what he has done for his people (who redeemed you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage).
He then asserts his supreme authority ('you shall have no other gods before me'). And follows this up with details of what he requires of his people (the remainder of the ten commands).
As most of us were not redeemed from Egypt this is not therefore strictly speaking binding on us.
However what is binding on us is the sermon on the mount, the remainder of the teaching of Jesus and the ethics revealed in the New Testament, for we have been redeemed by Jesus Christ out of the hands of sin and Satan (I am speaking to true Christians).
But the fact that we have been redeemed also puts us in the clear before God. The One Who redeemed us made us accounted as righteous from ALL sin past, present and future (Rom 3.24-29), sanctified us (1 Cor 1.2; 11.6) and has covered us with His own righteousness (2 Cor 5.21; 1 Cor 1.30), perfecting us for ever (Heb 10.14).
And having redeemed us and 'saved' us, He is now at work within us bringing that salvation to completion (Phil 2.13; Eph 2.10), a work which He has guaranteed for us (1 Cor 1.8-9; Phil 2.6).
Some struggle on trying to cling on to Jesus coat tails. We who are His rest in His arms eternally secure.
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Paul says in Romans 13 that loving your neighbor fulfills the Law like not murdering, not stealing, not coveting, etc. So the moral law of the 10 Commandments is carried over. Meaning, 9 out of the 10 are carried over into the New Testament. The Sabbath is a ceremonial law and it is not a moral law. But the other 9 are moral laws of which you can see that they are mentioned again as Commandments in the New Testament.
So to say that all of the 10 Commandments is abolished is technically not correct to say.
So to say that all of the 10 Commandments is abolished is technically not correct to say.
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